Stats abuse

[´DotaHead]

Hi.  I finding that stats more and more ruins the pub games.  Idk if you agree but here is what i've experienced.

1. Host kicks you if you have more losses then wins.  (Its not like you can help if your team lose...)
2. Host puts all the guys with worst stats in scrouge.  (to win easier and get better stats)
3. People ingame tend to be lasthitting more & afraid to die for the greater good. (to get better stats)

Whats your thoughs?

[P_u..D_gE]

About the second point, I have a little idea to improve the bot.

This is public game, where stats are counted so I think !swap should be disabled in the lobby. Doing this, games will be equaled and not all people who is in lan, or friends, or pro players will be in the same team.

[Z0Di4C]

About the second point, I have a little idea to improve the bot.

This is public game, where stats are counted so I think !swap should be disabled in the lobby. Doing this, games will be equaled and not all people who is in lan, or friends, or pro players will be in the same team.

...u mean like when ppl enter a game their slot will be random and they will be locked to a slot (like in W3-dota) ?...

[Resor]

About the second point, I have a little idea to improve the bot.

This is public game, where stats are counted so I think !swap should be disabled in the lobby. Doing this, games will be equaled and not all people who is in lan, or friends, or pro players will be in the same team.

Just GREAT idea!
NO MORE FRIENDS!

[Z0Di4C]

Just GREAT idea!
NO MORE FRIENDS!
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...that would suck badass...i wouldnt mind to shuffle teams when i play alone...but i love playing with friends so this is a bad idea...

[P_u..D_gE]

Then, that games (where you play with your friends) shouldn't count on stats... because it will be unbalanced for sure. Public games where you decide the player's disposition is not balanced. Never.

[Z0Di4C]

...i hate these kinds of topics...they are like double-edged swords...

[´DotaHead]

I think P_u..D_gE is right, unbalanced teams should not get stats.

Maby a !shuffle command to save stats, otherwise stats are not saved.  But that will only solve problem (2) while (1) and (3) is still there.  I'd rather remove the !sd command ingame since i think it does more harm then good, but leaving it working in the channel.

Any other ideas?

[Z0Di4C]

...but then again u cant prevent noobs from entering pro games...like a player with 20 games with average 50 creeps and 1 deny and 4 assists  joins a pro game who can blame host for choosing his teammates...this idea is just stupid...i like playing with friends  and i like to see other ppls stats in order to know who am i playing with...if u play solo the whole time then go f urself...i find it chalenging to play against good team players...screw this...there should be !swap and !sd in lobby...

[P_u..D_gE]

http://stats.playdota.eu/?p=user&serverID=1&u=pohovan_kupus&s=datetime&o=desc&n=0

This person has 100% of games with a "WIN". 20 games won and 0 lost. But if you look inside every game, you will see he always play with 2 or 3 friends in his same team. This is absolutely unbalanced and shouldn't count in stats because stats are individual stats and not team stats.

Maybe there should be a "Team stats" but until this is done, I think these games shouldn't count in stats because are absolutely unbalanced.

[ek0]

http://stats.playdota.eu/?p=user&serverID=1&u=pohovan_kupus&s=datetime&o=desc&n=0

This person has 100% of games with a "WIN". 20 games won and 0 lost. But if you look inside every game, you will see he always play with 2 or 3 friends in his same team. This is absolutely unbalanced and shouldn't count in stats because stats are individual stats and not team stats.

Maybe there should be a "Team stats" but until this is done, I think these games shouldn't count in stats because are absolutely unbalanced.

DotA is a team game. That is why teamplay is important.

[Z0Di4C]

DotA is a team game. That is why teamplay is important.

...exactly...u do realize that this topic causes problems , and not in a good way...

[midoelbasha]

what u're saying is that friends arent allowed to play together
sure stats make it worse but kicking feeders and noobs from a game helps a lot, though some people have good stats end up bieng noobs.

i only play whenver my friends are online cuz it's fun to play with ur freinds, even if we lose a game or 3 it'll be fun with all the chat n stupidity we do.

[Z0Di4C]

what u're saying is that friends arent allowed to play together
sure stats make it worse but kicking feeders and noobs from a game helps a lot, though some people have good stats end up bieng noobs.

i only play whenver my friends are online cuz it's fun to play with ur freinds, even if we lose a game or 3 it'll be fun with all the chat n stupidity we do.

...excelent point...thats what team games are all about...

[midoelbasha]

what u're saying is that friends arent allowed to play together
sure stats make it worse but kicking feeders and noobs from a game helps a lot, though some people have good stats end up bieng noobs.

i only play whenver my friends are online cuz it's fun to play with ur freinds, even if we lose a game or 3 it'll be fun with all the chat n stupidity we do.

...excelent point...thats what team games are all about...

i didnt say we were always 5. some games it's only a friend and i against 5, the pubbers in our team feed or farm all game long. plus what's the point of playing blood burning games that need lots of focus. i dont mind 1 of those every 3 or 4 games but i play for fun mostly so i dont want to be working hard just to have fun in a game, instead of bieng ganged every 30sec by a team.