SHREDER GUIDE

[P_u..D_gE]

To be honest, I've not used still Shredder. But he is a machine, so i build him 5 shields xD.

[NijeHtelo]

it's not fail build it's awsome u would pwn with this build ;P 

[P_u..D_gE]

Yes, you got:

15 shield from shiva.
10 + 5 shield from cuirass
5 shield from blademail
40 block damage from vanguard
+16 shield from his passive skills.

That make him to have: +51 shield + 40 block damage.

If a hero with 200 damage per attack, attacks you, it has a 70% to be -40 damage. That makes him to be a base of 160.

Now, -25% from dota reduction:

That makes him a base damage of: 120.

Now, His shield at level 25 (7.8 ) + 51, it's 58.8 shield.

That makes him a reduction of: 78%

So, 120 - 78%(120) = 26,4 damage.

Wow, you deal me 26,3 damage xDD

Ok now heal attributes.

+16 from his passive spell regeneration per second.
should I continue? xD

Ok now 5 heroes with +200 damage attacks me at the same time.

They deal me 26,3 x 5 = 131.5 damage.

I use blademail and I deal + 200 to everybody. end of story.

[P_u..D_gE]

About the fountain. How long does the fountain takes to kill me with these items? (without attacking the fountain)

Proved: 23 seconds.

Edit: Sorry for no edit, I missclicked button and didn't see.

[donjacrtasamir]

i think you made a mistake.

[P_u..D_gE]

Where?, make it and tell me your results, I don't see the problem on my results xD but maybe I failed that's possible.

[mylasthope]

I think that u first need some regeneration like bloodstone or heart... vangard have weak regen :S

[P_u..D_gE]

Vanguard gives you +6 regen and + 16 from your passive you got +22 hp/s in lvl 7. I think that's hardcore for early game. No need for tarrasque after minute 40.

[joyjoy]

I dont wanna say something but your calculations are wrong, the in-dota 25% reduction is only for magic so doesnt stack with classic armor, only with magic resistance, base dmg reduction is based on every hero's armor.... so it will be more, still counting this on reduction and reductions is worse then counting on EHP, cause its more efficient -  in EHP you can count your armor and even HP regen so EHP describes more the tankness but PT doesnt give any armor cause you will have it on str or int for HP/MP, and even its not so much HP/MP, so mana boots could be in some moments better for refresing mana and stay and tank longer, 'bout plate mail it can be good gives mana and armor but that FX can force enemies to attack on different target,  still it will hurt them to let you deal that dmg

[div.ide]

Yes, you got:

15 shield from shiva.
10 + 5 shield from cuirass
5 shield from blademail
40 block damage from vanguard
+16 shield from his passive skills. Only after you tke 16 attacks.

That make him to have: +51 shield + 40 block damage.

If a hero with 200 damage per attack, attacks you, it has a 70% to be -40 damage. That makes him to be a base of 160. 70% of time.

Now, -25% from dota reduction: I don't know what is dota reduction, but if you meant armor type, then you probably forgot that hero type attacks deal 100% dmg to hero armor.

That makes him a base damage of: 120. Wrong. Still 160.

Now, His shield at level 25 (7. + 56, it's 63.8 shield.

That makes him a reduction of: 78%

So, 120 - 78%(120) = 26,4 damage. 22%*160=35,2

Wow, you deal me 26,3 damage xDD

Ok now heal attributes.

+16 from his passive spell regeneration per second.
should I continue? xD

Ok now 5 heroes with +200 damage attacks me at the same time.

They deal me 26,3 x 5 = 131.5 damage.

I use blademail and I deal + 200 to everybody. end of story. This part is so wrong I dont even know where to start. Google blademail mechanics.

Shiva  - 4700
AC - 5350
Blade mail - 2200
VG - 2225

Total 14475

IMO most expensive creep ever.

Almost forgot, you'll stilll have around 2,3k HP, some like OD would just nuke you down in no time.

[donjacrtasamir]

well i don't know how the whole dota reduction sistem works but

If a hero with 200 damage per attack, attacks you, it has a 70% to be -40 damage. That makes him to be a base of 160.

the base is still 200 but only in 70 % you do -40 damage

Now, -25% from dota reduction

how does it works is the reduction done before every blocking item or after

That makes him a reduction of: 78%

how they stuck 78% and 25% ....

and so on

[P_u..D_gE]

Ok, I wasn't sure about that 25%, but now I know.

Ok, 35 damage per hero.

Abou Hp, you forgot I got tarrasque, I have 3500 hp. I think that's enough.

Now I'll count again.

35*5 = 175 dagame between 5 heroes. (ALL WITH +200 ATTACK, I really doubt it but it's ok).

3500 / 175 = 20.

20 * 5 = 100, so you need to be attacked more than 100 times to be killed.

Now I think it's better. Now use blademail. Who will attack you? And remember you have a team xD

About expensive, of course is expensive. I am not saying the correct build, I am typing the best build ( IMO ).

[joyjoy]

if you take HoT in, then counting in the EHP model would be better you can count to the dmg blocked even that regen from all items and base hero reg, then you realize that that your number will be higher, cause that 25% doesnt count

[P_u..D_gE]

Tonight, I'll make a test game with a normal 5 team attacking me at the same time I hope I am right xDD

See you tonight

[GrySun]

for skills i usually skill whirling death and reactive armor, but maxing whirl first, so that u can deal nice aoe pure dmg(when close to trees, which u will always be), so fb is quite easy with him if there is another stun/nuke/aoe dmger. Put him with axe and see how the enemies fall.

timber chain COULD be taken on lvl 4 instead of lvl 2 reactive armor, u never know when someone will come gank and kill you, so u can escape with it.

now the items, where it gets tricky. i usually start with 1 stout, 3 gg branches and one tango if they damage u more then what your reactive armor can heal away, but sometimes i dont even use them, depends on your enemies. so from there go for

1. magic wand(it will fill up to 15 quite fast, which gives instant mp and hp which is useful a lot of times.
2. boots(as shredder isnt a dpser, pt isnt what he needs, so u can either go tranquil boots or the mp boots, but sadly the mp boots will become useless once u get your bloodstone, as you will always have a huge mp pool.
3.void stone = perseverance = bloodstone(sometimes after 4.)
4. a vanguard is always good, as it gives u all the hp regen u need(if u got tranquil boots). Make it before bloodstone as its cheaper and does its part to make u harder to kill.
5. if the game drags on so long, make yourself shivas guard
6. the game isnt over yet? seriously? well then make guinsoo, heart or khadars pipe(usually the teams int hero gets this, so u wont need it)

then again, rushing bloodstone is also good, as it will allow u to spam your ulti ALWAYS.