Stupid Q. Why don't you make the bot to detect MH and ban on sight?

[beD Red A God LJ nUB]

@ bmn: This is dw3gparser. This program shows every selection but it can't recognize if it is under fog or not...

BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUT

as we all know ( some normal users and staff users ) dragoljub and kurai bought a program which shows fog clicks (some are wrong but most are true)

and than kurai said he ll make new v which will work (at least should) without problems... so much time passed and nothing happened means --> he did nothing --> lazy admins

and now dont say its much work bcs u got 3/4 programmers in ur staf ..

[div.ide]

Let's clarify some things.

Programs like dw3gparser or Dota Replay Manager + Enemy Click Checker combo just simply parse the game, checking for issued commands. They can filter out enemy (roshan, runes, wards) selection (or attack) comand. These can be clear MH indicator in many cases (but not 100% accuracy) if detected before creep spawn (well, these are easy to check, and before creeps spawn you rarely would meet your enemies in pub games).

HOWEVER

Aforementioned programs only know about issued commands, but NOTING about current unit positions, sight ranges etc. What I'm trying to say is, list of enemy clicks extracted via parser in only a help telling you what, where and when to check (manually), but you still have to check those clicks. Which can only be done by actually watching replay.


So, as far as I know:

Attempt to implement live fogclick checking into bot would require bot running separate game instance for every game in progress (or at least game engine equivalent, graphics rendering is completely unnecessary - but I dare on ya to code it) and donig exactly same calculations your warcraft 3 does. Yes, I mean that bot would have to physically run hundreds of wc3 instances at same time, just to work as spectators.

As a consequence, this would cause bot to consume significantly more CPU resurces. And by significantly I really mean in.

as we all know ( some normal users and staff users ) dragoljub and kurai bought a program which shows fog clicks (some are wrong but most are true)

Referring to this part. I am pretty sure it works like I mentioned before - it just ingerents into running warcraft (same way maphack does) and for every selection order (rightclicks included) during game just checks (inside game engine) wether clicked unit is visible or not. But this require running wc3. And runnig wc3 requires having wc3, and spending some your PC resources to run it. Therefore making it only viable on client side, and pretty impossible to integrate with bot.

One more note on detection accuracy part. This is because there are false positives. These include
1) selecting blue everytime he respawns (hardcoded wc3 bug, blame blizzard) from any player perspective, and
2) fogclicks on the edge of fog (when you click enemy just before he enters fog, but before packet with your order is recieved, enemy is fogged already, thus causing false fogclick).
Latter ones being quite a pain in the ass to deal with, if it came to code a script that would recognise these.


Though gold transfer should be easily detectable from bot side.

[beD Red A God LJ nUB]

you look like a clever guy xd
may i give you the tool ^^


it works good but it shows delay clicks (dont know how it works but i tested it with some guys and when you put ms to 500 and he clicks on no one fog tool says its is fog click (bcs for you it is fog, for him not), and someone said to me that this delay clicks are caused by gproxy)



the "tool" is "cutted" out of dreamdota and added some small special features like it cr8-s a fog log ,

foglog --> shows fog clicks

mine :

1:11 |cFF00BFFFbovas (Lycan)|r clicked Faerie Dragon
5:58 |cFF00BFFFbovas (Lycan)|r clicked Faerie Dragon
16:19 |cFF006400Jugo (Axe)|r clicked Faerie Dragon
19:16 |cFFFFFF00abcwers (Rubick)|r clicked Goblin Merchant
20:8 |cFF006400Jugo (Axe)|r clicked Faerie Dragon
8:43 |cFF00BFFFG0thLiKe (Nerubian Assassin)|r clicked Priestess of the Moon
37:14 |cFFFFC0CB_Hazzard_ (Ursa)|r clicked Ursa Warrior
41:34 |cFF006400Mothership (Nevermore)|r clicked Priestess of the Moon
51:5 |cFFFFFF00eSuba.zgt (Batrider)|r clicked Ursa Warrior
57:44 |cFFA9A9A9goblintechie (Guardian Wisp)|r clicked Anti-Mage
7:35 |cFFA9A9A9PlayingNoMercy (Enigma)|r clicked Morphling
11:51 |cFFA9A9A9PlayingNoMercy (Enigma)|r clicked Morphling
15:39 |cFFA9A9A9PlayingNoMercy (Enigma)|r clicked Centaur Khan
29:13 |cFFA9A9A9PlayingNoMercy (Enigma)|r clicked Disruptor
43:4 |cFF0000FFexaille (Morphling)|r clicked Axe
46:26 |cFFA9A9A9PlayingNoMercy (Enigma)|r clicked Enigma
54:4 |cFFA52A2ALameryusovic (Mortred)|r clicked Bloodseeker
19:40 |cFFFFC0CBYshL.Archangel (N'aix)|r clicked Consume
19:48 |cFFFFC0CBYshL.Archangel (N'aix)|r clicked Consume
19:49 |cFFA52A2AHurjaHarri (Ancient Apparition)|r clicked Beastmaster
19:56 |cFFFFC0CBYshL.Archangel (N'aix)|r clicked Consume
19:57 |cFFFFC0CBYshL.Archangel (N'aix)|r clicked Consume
20:0 |cFFFFC0CBYshL.Archangel (N'aix)|r clicked Consume
20:2 |cFFFFC0CBYshL.Archangel (N'aix)|r clicked Consume
21:28 |cFFFFC0CBYshL.Archangel (N'aix)|r clicked Consume
21:31 |cFFFFC0CBYshL.Archangel (N'aix)|r clicked Consume
24:34 |cFFA52A2AHurjaHarri (Ancient Apparition)|r clicked Vengeful Spirit
27:22 |cFFFFC0CBYshL.Archangel (N'aix)|r clicked Consume
30:41 |cFFFFC0CBYshL.Archangel (N'aix)|r clicked Consume
30:47 |cFFFFC0CBYshL.Archangel (N'aix)|r clicked Consume
30:49 |cFFFFC0CBYshL.Archangel (N'aix)|r clicked Consume
30:50 |cFFFFC0CBYshL.Archangel (N'aix)|r clicked Consume
33:18 |cFFFFC0CBYshL.Archangel (N'aix)|r clicked Consume
35:27 |cFFFFC0CBYshL.Archangel (N'aix)|r clicked Consume
37:16 |cFFFFC0CBYshL.Archangel (N'aix)|r clicked Consume
45:39 |cFFA9A9A9DoctaSpock (Rylai)|r clicked Bounty Hunter
46:14 |cFFFFC0CBYshL.Archangel (N'aix)|r clicked Consume
0:44 |cFF0000FFxioD|r clicked Straw-Hat
4:13 |cFFFFFF00Setskar (Nevermore)|r clicked Keeper of the Light
5:22 |cFF006400Prof[To]RampAge (Gondar)|r clicked Goblin Laboratory
8:25 |cFF00FFFFCulgan (Slardar)|r clicked Anti-Mage
10:17 |cFFA52A2AULUBATLI (Clinkz)|r clicked Shadow Fiend
11:5 |cFF006400Prof[To]RampAge (Gondar)|r clicked Goblin Laboratory
13:30 |cFFA9A9A9pro.palica^ (Lycan)|r clicked Axe
15:10 |cFF006400Prof[To]RampAge (Gondar)|r clicked Goblin Merchant
18:40 |cFFFFFF00Setskar (Nevermore)|r clicked Anti-Mage
20:0 |cFFFFFF00Setskar (Nevermore)|r clicked Keeper of the Light
20:8 |cFFA52A2AULUBATLI (Clinkz)|r clicked Invoker
22:55 |cFF006400Prof[To]RampAge (Gondar)|r clicked Axe
23:7 |cFF006400Prof[To]RampAge (Gondar)|r clicked Goblin Laboratory
24:32 |cFFA9A9A9pro.palica^ (Lycan)|r clicked Faceless Void
24:32 |cFF00FFFFCulgan (Slardar)|r clicked Bone Fletcher
24:41 |cFFFFFF00Setskar (Nevermore)|r clicked Bone Fletcher
29:12 |cFFA9A9A9pro.palica^ (Lycan)|r clicked Invoker
29:56 |cFFA52A2AULUBATLI (Clinkz)|r clicked Axe
30:4 |cFF006400Prof[To]RampAge (Gondar)|r clicked Invoker
31:27 |cFFA9A9A9pro.palica^ (Lycan)|r clicked Axe
31:39 |cFFA9A9A9pro.palica^ (Lycan)|r clicked Faceless Void
31:42 |cFFA9A9A9pro.palica^ (Lycan)|r clicked Shadow Fiend
31:48 |cFFA9A9A9pro.palica^ (Lycan)|r clicked Faceless Void
32:56 |cFF006400Prof[To]RampAge (Gondar)|r clicked Slithereen Guard
33:1 |cFFA52A2AULUBATLI (Clinkz)|r clicked Slithereen Guard
33:14 |cFF006400Prof[To]RampAge (Gondar)|r clicked Goblin Laboratory
34:34 |cFFA9A9A9pro.palica^ (Lycan)|r clicked Slithereen Guard
34:48 |cFFA9A9A9pro.palica^ (Lycan)|r clicked Invoker
34:49 |cFFA9A9A9pro.palica^ (Lycan)|r clicked Shadow Fiend
34:50 |cFFA9A9A9pro.palica^ (Lycan)|r clicked Invoker
34:56 |cFFA9A9A9pro.palica^ (Lycan)|r clicked Rock Golem
34:56 |cFFA9A9A9pro.palica^ (Lycan)|r clicked Rock Golem
34:56 |cFFA9A9A9pro.palica^ (Lycan)|r clicked Emerald Golem
34:57 |cFFA9A9A9pro.palica^ (Lycan)|r clicked Rock Golem
34:57 |cFFA9A9A9pro.palica^ (Lycan)|r clicked Rock Golem
34:58 |cFFA9A9A9pro.palica^ (Lycan)|r clicked Rock Golem
34:59 |cFFA9A9A9pro.palica^ (Lycan)|r clicked Emerald Golem
34:59 |cFFA9A9A9pro.palica^ (Lycan)|r clicked Rock Golem
35:6 |cFFA9A9A9pro.palica^ (Lycan)|r clicked Sentry Ward
35:26 |cFFA9A9A9pro.palica^ (Lycan)|r clicked Shadow Fiend
35:27 |cFFA9A9A9pro.palica^ (Lycan)|r clicked Invoker
35:28 |cFFA9A9A9pro.palica^ (Lycan)|r clicked Shadow Fiend
36:28 |cFFA9A9A9pro.palica^ (Lycan)|r clicked Invoker
36:28 |cFFA9A9A9pro.palica^ (Lycan)|r clicked Shadow Fiend
38:0 |cFFA9A9A9pro.palica^ (Lycan)|r clicked Faceless Void
42:11 |cFFA9A9A9pro.palica^ (Lycan)|r clicked Invoker
42:54 |cFFA9A9A9pro.palica^ (Lycan)|r clicked Faceless Void
44:44 |cFF006400Prof[To]RampAge (Gondar)|r clicked Goblin Merchant
45:53 |cFFA9A9A9pro.palica^ (Lycan)|r clicked Shadow Fiend
47:38 |cFFA9A9A9pro.palica^ (Lycan)|r clicked Axe
47:58 |cFFA9A9A9pro.palica^ (Lycan)|r clicked Faceless Void
48:18 |cFFA9A9A9pro.palica^ (Lycan)|r clicked Axe
48:25 |cFFA9A9A9pro.palica^ (Lycan)|r clicked Faceless Void
50:30 |cFF006400Prof[To]RampAge (Gondar)|r clicked Goblin Laboratory
50:31 |cFF006400Prof[To]RampAge (Gondar)|r clicked Goblin Merchant

CFF : colors , but i m sure you know it xD

[P_u..D_gE]

Is it left click or right click (on fog)?

And, if someone doesn't click and just use mh to view people, the program doesnt detect him?

[beD Red A God LJ nUB]

Only click in fow (if i see fog and he clicks on it i get a msg that he clicked smth in fog )

And ye it tells me when someone uses gold share

[[kosarkas]]

Only click in fow (if i see fog and he clicks on it i get a msg that he clicked smth in fog )

And ye it tells me when someone uses gold share

and that is not hack? LOL For example he clicks on secret shop and you know he is there...rofl thats one sort of hack imo...

[beD Red A God LJ nUB]

ye true story

pd.eu staff and xpam staff (some of them) are hackers

[donjacrtasamir]

ye true story

pd.eu staff and xpam staff (some of them) are hackers

yy we know that there was a topic about mh unban request from pd.eu staff members

but someone deleted it

[beD Red A God LJ nUB]

our tool cant be detected (it can be but just a small modification and they cant detect it) , they detected real maphack not that anti maphack tool


nvm, soon someone will ban me and delet this topic xdd

[donjacrtasamir]

our tool cant be detected (it can be but just a small modification and they cant detect it) , they detected real maphack not that anti maphack tool


nvm, soon someone will ban me and delet this topic xdd

well they used mh not that tool and after they said "oh well we just "tested" if bot will detect " or "i thought that staff member are allowed to use that tool"

...... -.-

[kingW3]

Haters gonna hate,btw if you don't know the whole story don't comment plz.You all ready know what to do in this situations but you'r lazy so can't help you there
ontopic:Lolutz maybe in near future

[bmn]

These can be clear MH indicator in many cases (but not 100% accuracy) if detected before creep spawn (well, these are easy to check, and before creeps spawn you rarely would meet your enemies in pub games).

Clockwerks rocket

[div.ide]

These can be clear MH indicator in many cases (but not 100% accuracy) if detected before creep spawn (well, these are easy to check, and before creeps spawn you rarely would meet your enemies in pub games).

Clockwerks rocket

This is why i said "rarely", not "never" ^^ and from my expecience 90%+ of such were fogclicks. Again

you still have to check those clicks.

[marsnodens]

This MH problem is becoming beyond "just ignore it".
  I dont report MH anymore. I just go afk. What is the point? MH-er gets new account within few minutes and I must spend 10 min to get MH ban request right (all information time etc.). It is just ridiculous. What is the point? They ruin my game with MH I ruin their with afk.... Only problem is that I have to get back and move my hero every few min. So people who are honest players suffer. They play game with MH-er, get killed, get banned if go afk, lose psr, lose stats, lose time on worthless reports....
  1 admin/moderator told me they are "working on it" but that was half a year ago.

It is becoming like garena. mh leaving because everyone got 100 accounts...

[Natura Sonoris]

Soon 90 % of hackers wont play on xpam.And there will be limit for account creation.