So, Vanguard etc on Yurnero

[ivlado]

So im playing this game,

And im playing centaur, with my friend who plays yurnero

Anyways, he gets 5 kills pretty fast, around 8-10minutes..

Here comes the unagreeable part:
He goes for
Bracer
Vanguard
Scepter

We loose the game,

IMO: He became to passive, and couldnt kill.. shouldnt he just gone Battle fury, etc.. to keep on killing
Maintaining the level of "ownage" you can say.


Your opinions?

[Sirinity]

Allready false information i started with bottle phase boots here is the gamelink-http://playdota.eu/stats/game/3207059/sd-eu-1650-1-1
The plan was to keep 2 steady hitting targets to let the rest of the team do their magic as seen in some fights at the end i was building bfury. I'd put the ward down go in and spin while spinning i do a steady 100 dps/s for x seconds after that i finish whats left with my ulti.
We won 2 team fights like that then the problems started with centaur missing hes dagger inns and stuns,give me your opinions on this i perhaps made a mistake but rather then that i think i gave a much higher contribution with my never ending mana,remember with bfury as first choice u are limited with the spells, andhave low hp..

Edit - sorry for the wrong gamelink fixed now.

[Bolgrath]

Allready false information i started with bottle phase boots here is the gamelink-http://playdota.eu/stats/game/3207059/sd-eu-1650-1-1
The plan was to keep 2 steady hitting targets to let the rest of the team do their magic as seen in some fights at the end i was building bfury. I'd put the ward down go in and spin while spinning i do a steady 100 dps/s for x seconds after that i finish whats left with my ulti.
We won 2 team fights like that then the problems started with centaur missing hes dagger inns and stuns,give me your opinions on this i perhaps made a mistake but rather then that i think i gave a much higher contribution with my never ending mana,remember with bfury as first choice u are limited with the spells, andhave low hp..

Edit - sorry for the wrong gamelink fixed now.

you do have a point. It's pointless to have extreme dmg if you die too fast i've seen this in many occasions people just build dmg not thinking about health or anythink else

[X-PLODE]

Please, this was a shit game that i wasted 40 min on.

[Rio^]

Scepter give you enough HP . Not need for wanguard. It's better that u build wladimir, dominator etc ...

If he gets few kills on start, he should go on wlad or battlef first, then scepter and bkb , and I'm pretty shure thats GG.

Phase boots, wlad, battle furry, bkb, scepter ...

[Alucardo]

Scepter give you enough HP . Not need for wanguard. It's better that u build wladimir, dominator etc ...

If he gets few kills on start, he should go on wlad or battlef first, then scepter and bkb , and I'm pretty shure thats GG.

Phase boots, wlad, battle furry, bkb, scepter ...

bkb on yurnero lol  its like making helm with weaver and its vlad not wlad ^^

anyway yurnero doesnt seriesly need hp at all .. he can use phase boots to chase/escape and battle fury give him hp and mana reg and scepter is now even more imba than ever .. basher can be a good choice then making that abyss blade after

[Rocka]

I don't get where ur going to justice,
late game other carries will pwn you when you spin, so bkb can be usefull
you can't compare that to helm on weaver^^

[Alucardo]

I don't get where ur going to justice,
late game other carries will pwn you when you spin, so bkb can be usefull
you can't compare that to helm on weaver^^

instead of criticism me in every post how about you be more constructive and tell us about ur imba builds?

[ErectCock]

imo agham is super overrated but i still make it sometimes. it gives 3 extra hits and stats+hp. with 4.2k you could build something better / almost finish great item. thats my opinion. i usually try to buy perservance after starting items, then farm something valuable and after that i finish cleaver. ofc it is harder if you dont have someone to support you.

my basic, idealist builds:

1) starting items
2) roh
3) perservance/boots
4) this depends. sometimes i go maelstrom, sometimes desolator, sometimes yasha, sometimes farm for eaglehorn.
5) cleaver and w/e you want

late game you shouldnt spin in fights....i think the spin damage is physical so you will crit easy 300+ with worst build ever at 20-30min+

but then again, anything can work. you never know your opponents for sure.

*edit* i still think vanguard is kind of waste. it is "handy" but not necessary/needed.

*edit2* if you can last hit, try rush diffu and roam spin and purge while spinning>ulti

[Rocka]

I don't get where ur going to justice,
late game other carries will pwn you when you spin, so bkb can be usefull
you can't compare that to helm on weaver^^

instead of criticism me in every post how about you be more constructive and tell us about ur imba builds?

You are laughing at people who come up with idea's, but really, have you ever looked at your own builds?

[Alucardo]

I don't get where ur going to justice,
late game other carries will pwn you when you spin, so bkb can be usefull
you can't compare that to helm on weaver^^

instead of criticism me in every post how about you be more constructive and tell us about ur imba builds?

You are laughing at people who come up with idea's, but really, have you ever looked at your own builds?

you still didnt tell me ur builds and i wasnt laughing at him i have nothing against him and also your not his lawyer to defend him .... if he got anything he can just simply reply to me with logic

my last reply here no need to spam this topic

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Phase boots
Battle fury
Aghanim
Butterfly

And S&Y if you want some extra HP and attack speed.

[donjacrtasamir]

I don't play with yuger much but i know that the only thing he needs is damage and attackspeed you teammates can get vanguard and tank insted of you.


offtopic: rio nice signature

[its me mario (drago)]

imo refresher

[[kosarkas]]

Vanguard is a waste of gold on yournero(its better for you to buy hyperstone or helm of dominator with that gold)...if you cant survive with yournero dont play him...you can always run away with yournero cause you can port in 90% of the situations,you should be the carry in the game, so it's more important for you to survive and farm up and what I do  is rush battle fury and then get BoT so I can switch lanes for easy farm....if they want to gank you you just use blade fury and port...later you can choose what to go cause u will have a steady income of gold by farming and u will probably get some kills in teamfights or sth like that...you can go aghanims which will give you mana,hp,armor,dmg etc(remember more attack speed means more slashes from ulti)...and also try this: when puting a healing ward you should try to put it somewhere the enemy can't see it(for exaple if  fighting in woods try to put it between trees)...

The bottom line is that vanguard is wrong for yournero cause later in game you dont need to tank you need to kill(mby it's good in the begining when your blade fury does more dmg than your hits but later that is used only to escape cause you are spell imune during) you should be able to kill at least 3 players just with your ulti...gL&hF