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build for azwraith?
« on: November 05, 2011, 07:19 »
ive always wondered whats the best build for him? i mean from very early game to late game, not like straight radiance then divine rapierz!!

Last game was a farm fest for me and i ended up propably with the best items for az:

bot
bfly
hot
vlads
diffusal 2
radiance

but then i thought is there even better build? radiance could be changed, maybe manaburn+vlads with satanic and something else.

halp pl0x!

link to the game: http://playdota.eu/stats/game/2746983/ap-pdeu-1550-6

could there be a better build for example in this game? barely won because of my farm, furion always pushed and thank god i had bot cus noone in my team had teleport scrolls until last minutes where i told them to buy them...
« Last Edit: November 05, 2011, 12:22 by ErectCock »
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Re: build for azwraith?
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2011, 08:13 »
bot and bfly and hot? why man .. i even saw some ppl making vanguard on phantom and idk why ..

in my opinion treads ,  vlad , radiance , manta , diffusal

the reason i dont like items like hot and vanguard is because phantom can just turn invisiable .. and in battles he will have many illusions thats my opinion though .. thats my last game with phantom (it was em game i know ..)

http://playdota.eu/stats/game/2734838/apem-eu-1550-2

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Re: build for azwraith?
« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2011, 08:37 »
Just don't go vlads as first item and dont make arcane boots IMO and you will do fine...

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Re: build for azwraith?
« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2011, 09:00 »
Just don't go vlads as first item and dont make arcane boots IMO and you will do fine...
i always make vlad as first item :( so i push in lanes + so i farm in woods

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Re: build for azwraith?
« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2011, 12:19 »
bot and bfly and hot? why man .. i even saw some ppl making vanguard on phantom and idk why ..

in my opinion treads ,  vlad , radiance , manta , diffusal

the reason i dont like items like hot and vanguard is because phantom can just turn invisiable .. and in battles he will have many illusions thats my opinion though .. thats my last game with phantom (it was em game i know ..)

http://playdota.eu/stats/game/2734838/apem-eu-1550-2
i made bfly for evasion, hot for hp...noone had mkb+i was kinda tank. manaburn+high damage+attackspeed+high hp. also i made bot because enemy had furion for pushing > speed + tp. i dont need treads with bfly. also manta is crap against aoe enemies, thats why i didnt make it.

link to the game: http://playdota.eu/stats/game/2746983/ap-pdeu-1550-6

ofc some of them were noobs but still i had hard time defending when my team didnt def..

*edit* also you just cant go "invis" in good games. people buy dust and gem you know? unlike in em games..-.-
« Last Edit: November 05, 2011, 12:23 by ErectCock »
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Re: build for azwraith?
« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2011, 12:46 »
bot and bfly and hot? why man .. i even saw some ppl making vanguard on phantom and idk why ..

in my opinion treads ,  vlad , radiance , manta , diffusal

the reason i dont like items like hot and vanguard is because phantom can just turn invisiable .. and in battles he will have many illusions thats my opinion though .. thats my last game with phantom (it was em game i know ..)

http://playdota.eu/stats/game/2734838/apem-eu-1550-2
i made bfly for evasion, hot for hp...noone had mkb+i was kinda tank. manaburn+high damage+attackspeed+high hp. also i made bot because enemy had furion for pushing > speed + tp. i dont need treads with bfly. also manta is crap against aoe enemies, thats why i didnt make it.

link to the game: http://playdota.eu/stats/game/2746983/ap-pdeu-1550-6

ofc some of them were noobs but still i had hard time defending when my team didnt def..

*edit* also you just cant go "invis" in good games. people buy dust and gem you know? unlike in em games..-.-
amm pretty well farmed (399 creeps in 60 minutes) in ur case you guys didnt have any tank in ur team so hot wouldnt be bad i guess

and about invis thing yes they can buy gem and dust but in fights we will assume you will have like 5 illusions or something .. with gem or dust you cant know (the real one) between all 6 or 7 phantoms

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Re: build for azwraith?
« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2011, 13:06 »
LOL it's easy if the other team has tide,or shaker or any other aoe dmg hero to see which is the real one and then you are screwed if they have a gem or dust...so heart is good on lancer cause he becomes difficult to kill,and also the illusions can take more!Anyways why not vlads it's because you don't have the dmg to heal yourself with lifesteal,but i agree if you are gonna go basillus and ring and later in finish vlads...but thats only my opinion...

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Re: build for azwraith?
« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2011, 13:24 »
LOL it's easy if the other team has tide,or shaker or any other aoe dmg hero to see which is the real one and then you are screwed if they have a gem or dust...so heart is good on lancer cause he becomes difficult to kill,and also the illusions can take more!Anyways why not vlads it's because you don't have the dmg to heal yourself with lifesteal,but i agree if you are gonna go basillus and ring and later in finish vlads...but thats only my opinion...
for such a thing to happen is extra rare...... i mean facing es or tide and omg they both used ulti on you and omg one of them have gem or dust or ward .. anyway

like i said about vlad (in general) for many purposes

1- if ur carry (like phantom in this case) farming at woods and ur hp wont drop because of life steal and anyway you can let ur illusions take the damage for you
2- to push .. vlad will make ur creeps stronger while you push in ur lane .... ur opponent must have gem or dust and he kinda wont be able to kill phantom alone specially that he has slow (his first skill) and to have gem or dust in early games is kinda rare so use it to farm and push
3- vlad gives little mana regneration .. (ofc i use that advantage with others heroes but not with phantom)

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Re: build for azwraith?
« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2011, 13:36 »
LOL it's easy if the other team has tide,or shaker or any other aoe dmg hero to see which is the real one and then you are screwed if they have a gem or dust...so heart is good on lancer cause he becomes difficult to kill,and also the illusions can take more!Anyways why not vlads it's because you don't have the dmg to heal yourself with lifesteal,but i agree if you are gonna go basillus and ring and later in finish vlads...but thats only my opinion...
for such a thing to happen is extra rare...... i mean facing es or tide and omg they both used ulti on you and omg one of them have gem or dust or ward .. anyway

like i said about vlad (in general) for many purposes

1- if ur carry (like phantom in this case) farming at woods and ur hp wont drop because of life steal and anyway you can let ur illusions take the damage for you
2- to push .. vlad will make ur creeps stronger while you push in ur lane .... ur opponent must have gem or dust and he kinda wont be able to kill phantom alone specially that he has slow (his first skill) and to have gem or dust in early games is kinda rare so use it to farm and push
3- vlad gives little mana regneration .. (ofc i use that advantage with others heroes but not with phantom)

imo farming lane without pushing > forest UNLESS you are "master" at doubling forest creeps. also if you push in pretty average games you will get ganked if your too far.
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Re: build for azwraith?
« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2011, 13:37 »
id say

vang > boots (if needed) > radi > difu > hot
radi (if easy farm n stuff) > boots > hot > etc  doesnt really matter cuz with radi and difu u should win easy already

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Re: build for azwraith?
« Reply #10 on: November 05, 2011, 14:08 »
LOL it's easy if the other team has tide,or shaker or any other aoe dmg hero to see which is the real one and then you are screwed if they have a gem or dust...so heart is good on lancer cause he becomes difficult to kill,and also the illusions can take more!Anyways why not vlads it's because you don't have the dmg to heal yourself with lifesteal,but i agree if you are gonna go basillus and ring and later in finish vlads...but thats only my opinion...
for such a thing to happen is extra rare...... i mean facing es or tide and omg they both used ulti on you and omg one of them have gem or dust or ward .. anyway

like i said about vlad (in general) for many purposes

1- if ur carry (like phantom in this case) farming at woods and ur hp wont drop because of life steal and anyway you can let ur illusions take the damage for you
2- to push .. vlad will make ur creeps stronger while you push in ur lane .... ur opponent must have gem or dust and he kinda wont be able to kill phantom alone specially that he has slow (his first skill) and to have gem or dust in early games is kinda rare so use it to farm and push
3- vlad gives little mana regneration .. (ofc i use that advantage with others heroes but not with phantom)

imo farming lane without pushing > forest UNLESS you are "master" at doubling forest creeps. also if you push in pretty average games you will get ganked if your too far.
and what im saying?.. with vlad you can both farm + push in same time .... and yeah its over forest ofc but in same cases you are forced to farm in woods and with vlad you will be able to farm in woods without problems

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Re: build for azwraith?
« Reply #11 on: November 05, 2011, 14:21 »
LOL it's easy if the other team has tide,or shaker or any other aoe dmg hero to see which is the real one and then you are screwed if they have a gem or dust...so heart is good on lancer cause he becomes difficult to kill,and also the illusions can take more!Anyways why not vlads it's because you don't have the dmg to heal yourself with lifesteal,but i agree if you are gonna go basillus and ring and later in finish vlads...but thats only my opinion...

Agree with you :)

For me vladimir is fail 1st item...

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Re: build for azwraith?
« Reply #12 on: November 05, 2011, 14:58 »
LOL it's easy if the other team has tide,or shaker or any other aoe dmg hero to see which is the real one and then you are screwed if they have a gem or dust...so heart is good on lancer cause he becomes difficult to kill,and also the illusions can take more!Anyways why not vlads it's because you don't have the dmg to heal yourself with lifesteal,but i agree if you are gonna go basillus and ring and later in finish vlads...but thats only my opinion...
for such a thing to happen is extra rare...... i mean facing es or tide and omg they both used ulti on you and omg one of them have gem or dust or ward .. anyway

like i said about vlad (in general) for many purposes

1- if ur carry (like phantom in this case) farming at woods and ur hp wont drop because of life steal and anyway you can let ur illusions take the damage for you
2- to push .. vlad will make ur creeps stronger while you push in ur lane .... ur opponent must have gem or dust and he kinda wont be able to kill phantom alone specially that he has slow (his first skill) and to have gem or dust in early games is kinda rare so use it to farm and push
3- vlad gives little mana regneration .. (ofc i use that advantage with others heroes but not with phantom)

imo farming lane without pushing > forest UNLESS you are "master" at doubling forest creeps. also if you push in pretty average games you will get ganked if your too far.
and what im saying?.. with vlad you can both farm + push in same time .... and yeah its over forest ofc but in same cases you are forced to farm in woods and with vlad you will be able to farm in woods without problems

umm why would i want to push ? instead i like hanging around close to my tower getting easy creep kills...
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Re: build for azwraith?
« Reply #13 on: November 05, 2011, 15:21 »
well you can do both ..... and you can hang out with the creeps only :)

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Re: build for azwraith?
« Reply #14 on: November 06, 2011, 17:01 »
for me items dont matter that much on phantom cus if u know how to play him its imba hero  ;D