New PSR ranking system is absolutly retarded (I GET KICKED EVERYWHERE)

[Elsenrail]

Spoiler for Hiden:

I basicly agree with you-

I also using a player called PSR.SUX
Didn't help much...

I realize the only way to win or atleast have a descent game is:

I always chk the SD of ALL players in game.
1. First I look in denies --> if player has no denies i ask host 2 kick him, usually they do. if not i switch team or leave lobby.
2. Then I look at K/D/A
3. If he's K/D> 1 and A >> K = excelent
4. If he's K/D <1 but he's A>> K and has descent PSR --> good
5. If K>> A and PSR high --> not playing with this player, either switching team or leaving lobby
6. I always check !locked --> if entire team locked i chk SD of my team VERY CAREFULLY!!!
7. If i feel team unbalanced and PSR shows 50/50 or even 70/30 for my team--> i leave.

Basiclly, I at first I really hated PSR system, it has one basic major mailfunction--> this is a system designed for 1v1 matches, or team vs team (fixed teams--> not random teams)

But now i just use it as a "jumping" step, host a game with 1600+ to avoid mega retarded, and then SD all and kick the retarded that has 1600+


It WOULD be great if they can come up with a system than combine Win/Loss with stats/gameplay somehow...


Till then, SD ALL PPL!!

G/L

Really nice post. You clearly know whats going on here.

Way to go!

[Umrite_PSI]

I was just wondering what PSR means and I think it's like

Pretty Shitty Ranking

or mby

PLAY STACK RETARDS

What you think??
 

[LexMonster]

What you think??

I think that the_justice should be banned from this topic, because its not allowed for noobs to comment on someone elses gameplay.
He is laughing at lycan who had 10/3 and the_justice played imbalanced barathum (with 2 stacked admins) and got only 3 kills. And guess how many deaths he had? 15    GG NO RE http://playdota.eu/stats/game/2171880/ap-prozz-balance-1600

And I almost forgot!
http://playdota.eu/stats/game/2210778/appdeu-1-2   Lina 2/17
GG NO RE

Justce please stop embarrassing yourself and dont comment about gameplay...

[Alucardo]

  haters gonna hate

ah btw i assume that u failed finding me playing more than 15 stack games in my 500 games right?

barathum is imbalanced u said right? lets make 1v1 me barathum and u lycan what u think?

ah also i forgot 1 thing


the_justice !permabanned b/c noobs like lex r jealous

some mod pls lock this topic .. i cant believe that im even arguing with stupid noobs like lex

btw lex or umrite if u think i got my psr for nothing then im waiting u sf 1v1 anytime cheers

[Umrite_PSI]

OH DID I SAY STH TO YOU??pls go to the market and get yourself a new brain,cause that one is rly fucked up!Secondly dota is not 1v1,but I will take you 1v1 anytime any hero SF,-arshomnp or anything else for that matter,mmmkay?And third I dont even have to play against you,and embarass you...and I repeat one more time:

DID I SAY STH TO YOU???OR YOU ARE JUST ONE OF THOSE GUYS THAT GOT MOLESTED AS A CHILD AND NOW IS ALWAYS LOOKING FOR ATTACKS ON YOU???

 

[Sauzer]

he chose lycan and it was noob game and got 10 3 only? ahahahahaha

mate try better seriesly lol .. with only 61 cs and 26 nc

btw where is his bkb? xD

No Justice, with my post I only wanted show u that also a low, the lowest there, psr can play a more than decent game. Doesnt count pro/noob creeps. He wasnt so bad, only that was my message and psr failed about him. Not so hard to understand.

@Lexmonster : dont waste your time, he is only joking in a stupid way now.

[Alucardo]

@sauzer i can assure u that he cant get 10 3 in a pro game .. mate pro games r totally different .. mh is much less and most ppl prefer to get 0 100000 and win on getting 100000 0 and lose .. they play to win

in noob games like u posted playing lycan is more than easy specially he is imbalanced hero even more the superman barathum ... in my last noob game with lycan i got 22 5 16 and lost!!! and yes ppl with low psr can play a very good game and do a great job but psr didnt fail

listen mate bring me any person with psr higher than 1700 psr and put him in a noob game .. u will then understand that those ppl even if they have low k/d/a score (like me) can beat someone with someone low psr with high k/d/a score like 10 3 for example

and yes ofc any person in that game could do more than good .. even if he is a noob

@umrite : u said something to me when u say who play with a stack team is retard so ur calling me retard b/c i played some stack games in my last games so yeah u said something on me thats why i answered u

P.S this is my last time posting in this topic .. im rly bored ppl here will have low psr as long as they care of kills cheers ..

btw lex u hate everyone? at first u spit icy and now u spit me? keep spitting on my karma!!

[Peleus]

PSR system is good.

@the ones that speack against it: you guys just fail to understand it.
The validity of such system is given by it's AVERAGE aplicability. And on average, it's been already prooved to be very accurate.
Stop giving examples picked from exceptions. That does not prove your case. Just shows that some guys exploit the system.
There is no, and there never will be, a 100% perfect, flaw free system. Not in dota. Not in politics. Not even in nature.

Bottom line, the system works. And measures the worth of a player accurately, averaging his games. And as times passes, and stacks of stats are gathered, it will get more and more accurate.


The only problems that prevent the highest  possible accuracy to happen lays in the players. Some of these are:
- ppl play stack team way above/bellow their skill, thus affecting the average of all stack involved players.
- ppl have no respect for rules, so often get banned. the problem here is that the banned player usually creates a new account, thus affecting the average of all DB stats, and his average in particular.
- most important problem: ppl do not play a well defined PSR value interval games. Meaning you most often find >200 diffrences between the players in the lobby. which also affect the average evaluation.

IMO, the system should be rigged to allow only +/- 50 PSR at most as related to the host player PSR.
Thus, players will be less likely to mess arround with PSR. Like 1500- players joining with 1700+ players in the same game.


my 2 cents.
free.

[LexMonster]

@umrite_psi dont waste your words on a spammer who never played pro game and ended up with positive score, and neither should I...
@MrProLycan No, I dont hate everyone. Except you. And I dont spit on your karma. About Pork, he is good guy, but bad Moderator...

[Umrite_PSI]

I was just saying what PSR means u rly rly smart guy :O  U must be the student of the year....

Will not post here anymore either but you should really read my first post again...

And btw every1 here has played at least 1 stack game,but I mostly play stack when it's a private game or mby 1 puber and always the game owner pubs 1700+ or sth like that so the other team checks the player and then starts!I did not say anything to you directly!!!I just said


PSR = PLAY STACK RETARDS!!!


THATS THE MEANING OF PSR AND I MEANT IT LIKE ITS TELLING YOU TO PLAY STACK RETARDS

IN ORDER TO GET POINTS OMG I CANT BELIEVE I HAD TO DO THIS!!!I'M OUT...PEACE!!!

[elfinka]

The only problems that prevent the highest  possible accuracy to happen lays in the players. Some of these are:
- ppl play stack team way above/bellow their skill, thus affecting the average of all stack involved players.
- ppl have no respect for rules, so often get banned. the problem here is that the banned player usually creates a new account, thus affecting the average of all DB stats, and his average in particular.
- most important problem: ppl do not play a well defined PSR value interval games. Meaning you most often find >200 diffrences between the players in the lobby. which also affect the average evaluation.

IMO, the system should be rigged to allow only +/- 50 PSR at most as related to the host player PSR.
Thus, players will be less likely to mess arround with PSR. Like 1500- players joining with 1700+ players in the same game.


my 2 cents.
free.

You have a point, but (with my low psr) I see a problem now, that the lower psr you have, the more you gain/lose in a game. Regardless of whether there are big differences in psr of the rest of the players, so in 4 games you just can have good/bad luck and jump +- 100 psr.

[Peleus]

the lower psr you have, the more you gain/lose in a game

this is not accurate.
in fact, you win/lose PSR depending of where you currently are as opposed to the current game PSR average.

the best fair gain (meaning without stacking) is when you play with players that are on the same level as you (by this i mean PSR value, not "skill").


in any case, if any player continuously plays without stacks, after a certain number of games it will find itself going arround some same PSR value. as that is the level of that player's DotA skill.
this is where most players fail to gasp the truth. most of them believe that they should constantly increase their PSR through time. and that's false.