[idea]ladder hosting capability restriction

[Peleus]

Hello all!

So, my suggestions is as follows:
1. only 1600+ (psr) players are able to host ladder dota games
2. several autohosted ladder games are created with different game modes for "noobs", to give them a chance to increase their PSR. these games can only be accesed by <1600 PSR players - to keep them "noobs only"
3. balance be a MUST on all ladder games.

"noobs" would still be able to host custom dota games, but not ladder.
noobs would be able to join and play ladder dota game hosted by an 1600+ player, if host allows it.
noobs would not be able to exploit the "reserved slot" that cannot be kicked and it's not getting ban on leave.

more to come, if idea is welcomed.

[Natura Sonoris]

This was suggested couple times but in different words and bit different ideas like only forum registered members can do it.

But it requires a lot of coding and more . But there will be cnahges in future

[Alucardo]

Hello all!

So, my suggestions is as follows:
1. only 1600+ (psr) players are able to host ladder dota games
2. several autohosted ladder games are created with different game modes for "noobs", to give them a chance to increase their PSR. these games can only be accesed by <1600 PSR players - to keep them "noobs only"
3. balance be a MUST on all ladder games.

"noobs" would still be able to host custom dota games, but not ladder.
noobs would be able to join and play ladder dota game hosted by an 1600+ player, if host allows it.
noobs would not be able to exploit the "reserved slot" that cannot be kicked and it's not getting ban on leave.

more to come, if idea is welcomed.

i like ur idea but making auto balance will be a problem b/c somtimes ppl play with lan and friends and stuff but my idea about this is (u can lock who u want but auto balance is a must)

other than that i like it and i wonna give it a try

[Peleus]

i did not say <auto> balace
just balance. manually.

same as game does not start without setting mode (hcl), game can be prevented from starting unless there if balance. ofc, i mean this only for ladder game.

and regarding teams / lan friends -> if ballance is imposible, they can always play custom dota. playing ladder is not a must!
i mean, ladder stats are individual. so, wanna play ladder, play solo. wanna play team, don't play ladder.
ofc, this is a bit extreme. i am exagerating now, but my point is: if it comes to be that your team is composed out of (let's say) the best players on pd, then obviusly you'd have to make a choice: either play non-ladder games as team, either split you team ingame. can't just always play toghether and pwn everything on the ladder games...

also, by forcing balance you would prevent high rank players from teaming with new acc / noob players for the sole purpose of helping them win to increase their PSR so they can host.

[Astaroth]

I don't see the reason why noobs couldn't host a ladder game. Can you explain me why?
There are 185 600 accounts, only 8 483 accounts has PSR 1600 or higher. That means that only 4.5% can host a game. I know there are multiacc and banned acc...

[End]

It's kinda stupid... There are many noobs on this server, so what should they do if they can't host?

[Alucardo]

i totally agree now with peleus and he already said that his solution is that the bot should autohost different modes so noobs can join it

i love the idea and i hope it will be considered +1 from me

[Peleus]

I don't see the reason why noobs couldn't host a ladder game. Can you explain me why?

well, the reason behind this is competence. by very definition, a "noob" is a person new to the system. In this particular case, DotA. so this is a person that does not have a deep knowledge of the game, the mecanics, the overall DotA environment. thus, how can such a person be qualified to make "host" decisions (eg: team makeup, game latency, mute/unmute, and so on).
in other words, he is morally disqualified from taking a position of "power" by the very same fact that makes him be deemed as a "noob"

I presented the alternative of autohosting as a suggestion to cover this gap. so, a noob can join whatever ladder game mode he wishes, gather experience, learn, and get "wiser".
the measurement of "wisdom" would be PSR in this instance. and it would be a very fair measurement system; somebody who trully understands the way things work, get's better and wins games -> increasing PSR. After a threshold, that person is deemed competent enough to host, and make host-like decisions.

I hope I managed to answer the question. Keep in mind that this is MY perspective, not the ultimate truth.

It's kinda stupid... There are many noobs on this server, so what should they do if they can't host?

this looks like a post hunt to me. really.
you didn't even bother to read my post, little less understand the meaning of it.
you just hit the "reply" button and said "it is stupid"...

may I ask you to take a second look, and maybe do better the second time ?
also, I would appreciate this from all the other ones that would be urged to take this type of action course in the future.
criticism is highly valued, but ONLY when is constructive. posts like Final_End's above are just distructive.


@the_justice: thank you for the support




@all: I am very well aware that the ideea presented might have flaws. Or that there may be some sides of the story of which I am not aware of.
Please take this as just what it is: an idea. It can be improved, it can be discarded, it can be ignored.
But this is a forum, and here is the "Feedback section". So if you're gonna post, post on topic. And try to help, either way your help goes (I mean, regardless if you're helping this idea of mine or the status-quo).

I already hosted and managed several DotA leagues in the past (although I don't play that much anymore - job and familly takes precedence), and had given much thought to this before posting it (also, I have itbetter stated than layed out here, so if it passes, I am willing to support it in being implemented - here I just scketched it, to "keep it simple").
So please refrain from posting just like "this is stupid", whitout adding value to the topic.


thank you

[Astaroth]

I don't see the reason why noobs couldn't host a ladder game. Can you explain me why?

well, the reason behind this is competence. by very definition, a "noob" is a person new to the system. In this particular case, DotA. so this is a person that does not have a deep knowledge of the game, the mecanics, the overall DotA environment. thus, how can such a person be qualified to make "host" decisions (eg: team makeup, game latency, mute/unmute, and so on).
in other words, he is morally disqualified from taking a position of "power" by the very same fact that makes him be deemed as a "noob"

I presented the alternative of autohosting as a suggestion to cover this gap. so, a noob can join whatever ladder game mode he wishes, gather experience, learn, and get "wiser".
the measurement of "wisdom" would be PSR in this instance. and it would be a very fair measurement system; somebody who trully understands the way things work, get's better and wins games -> increasing PSR. After a threshold, that person is deemed competent enough to host, and make host-like decisions.

I hope I managed to answer the question. Keep in mind that this is MY perspective, not the ultimate truth.

I appreciate your answer.
There are noobs who have 50, 100 or more game but PSR still under 1600 but I think after 100 games you shoudl have some knowledge about hosting.
To host a game you need to know:
1) How to create
2) Need to know lobby commands (!hcl, !p xxx, !start, !min...)
3) Other ingame commands (!sync, !muteall...)

But it is all. If you know this I think you can do qualified host decision (and there are still many ppl who has 1600+ PSR but don't know what !sync does, but this command should be removed in the future). You don't need to be good player to be good host imo because you just can't help your team to win by using some command(except setting up your team in lobby by !swap x y).

If there would be enought autohosted games it may work, but I think it isn't necessary.

[Melissa]

stupid idea
noobs wanna plaz also but thez dont have ply1600

iy best if plazas with 25/50 games can host

[Elsenrail]

...the measurement of "wisdom" would be PSR ...

You made my day right there!!! 



Your topic is technically the same as this one http://playdota.eu/forum/index.php/topic,45593.0.html discused a lot some time ago.