Regarding the stats system

[abloodywar]

Need more feedback.

[Sandukan]

I've come back to DotA after a several months long pause. My stats were all deleted during "annual refresh", so naturally I joined noob game first to get my !sd stats set. That's when I noticed new psr system, which I later got familiar with on this site.
After a few games I managed to get descent K/D/A score, but I still couldn't get away from 1500 psr. That made me join more noob games, repeating the drill. Playing 11 noob games I still couldn't shake that 1500.

I've soon gotten angry about "the new system", which led me to this topic. After reading everything I must say that I completely agree with abloodywar! This new system is flawed.

Some things I noticed:
Many ppl prefer psr over good old !sd nowadays, but few don't. Those that don't, kick me from noob games because my stats are not that bad. On the other hand, pro games host tend to rely on psr, so they won't let me play. All I'm left with are noob games mostly made to buff someones psr, so they can join pro games. It's endless f-kin circle!
One man can't turn tables in DotA. No way. Even two good players alongside three noobs can't do much (I'm not talking about above average uberleet pros here). For example if pro plays carry but doesn't have proper team to back him up, he just can't develop his hero. One could just farm woods, but that's boring as hell.
You're all saying that leavers/afkers are the one breaking game's balance. Compare complete noob to a leaver. I would argue that leaver is a better option, solely because he can't feed. I whine about this because I'm forced to play noob games, where you're bound to get noob ally which leads to defeat, but since statistics come into play here, foe gets noobs as many times as you do, so you're stuck with 1500 psr and more noob games!

What I noticed before my last break, when I played several hundred games is that !sd stats show player's skill surprisingly well. !sd is in fact so incredibly consistent that you're able to spot good player and with that a possible stack from miles away. !sd is not good indicator for ppl with let's say less than 25 games, but other than that it's perfect imo. Just imagine the amount of data that goes into !sd stats after 100 games. You just can't bring them up or down by much unless you get noticeably better or worse over the course of next 100 games.  Guys that knew how to read !sd properly hosted the best games. Well balanced and fun.

I never had positive (or >1) game win/lose score. I always played Scourge which was the underdog side most of the time. But even then I never had any problems joining pro games.
The only way to get positive win/lose was to stack with friends, using voice chat, but that happened in around 5% of my games, not enough to contribute.

I have no idea how to get out of this 1500 psr mess. I'm not planing on teaming up, since I want to keep my gaming habit under control, but on the other hand I don't like playing noob games. As you can see I'm turned down so much, that I came whining on forums after just 11 games. I know that I'm not on top of my game yet, but I'm not stupid and I can see the pattern emerging. I just don't see any reasonable way to shake that 1500 anytime soon, unless I start treating DotA as work towards a goal and not just as pure fun and relaxation.

Psr is a flawed system. It's main flaw is that it tries to evaluate player based on whole team's performance. Things just don't work that way in team games. In fact DotA is even less inclined towards one player's skill than other games (FPS for example). If I'm not mistaken the whole concept of psr (and elo) leads to certain rank limit and gaussian distribution. Those two things mean that some of us are bound to be stuck in the middle. It gets worse when sample gets bigger (or wider - referencing gaussian distribution plot).

The only good thing about psr is, that it won't be hard to stop playing DotA for me. I've got much much better things to do compared to this silly addiction

[Elsenrail]

Well man I am thinking about print your post out and start petition below it. Nicely said. Really. I´m glad people start realizing what´s this all about. And I´m even more happy there are some who tend to prefer good ol´ !sd over !psr.

We must not lose hope. 

[ExileD]

10/10 for this post....you are 100 % right....

[Alucardo]

no offence but u guys play to ks not to win the match

[HotBarbecuesBack]

Chill.
It's just a public bot with a little addon called "stats" which can help to kick meganoobs.. but that's all.
If you wanna a real ladder with balanced team, go elsewhere : RGC, DL, Dotalicious...
If you wanna have fun with friends, u can play there. If you don't have friends... sorry!

[Alucardo]

Chill.
It's just a public bot with a little addon called "stats" which can help to kick meganoobs.. but that's all.
If you wanna a real ladder with balanced team, go elsewhere : RGC, DL, Dotalicious...
If you wanna have fun with friends, u can play there. If you don't have friends... sorry!

another bullshit i always play with pub and im having fun but if u cant play without friends then too bad for u

[HotBarbecuesBack]

Don't feel offensed cause you don't have friends, justice guy. That wasn't a personal attack.

If you're totally happy with PD.eu, good for you. Looks like you never tried anything else.

It's like the guy who was raised in a cave since he was born. He got nothing, but he's happy, cause he doesn't know that civilization exists

[Rocka]

bbq is mad

[Alucardo]

Don't feel offensed cause you don't have friends, justice guy. That wasn't a personal attack.

If you're totally happy with PD.eu, good for you. Looks like you never tried anything else.

It's like the guy who was raised in a cave since he was born. He got nothing, but he's happy, cause he doesn't know that civilization exists

i have friends and i play with them everyday but it seems ur not the one who doesnt have real friends and if u dont like the server u can just leave it other than saying bullshits but yeah i play sometimes with pub and sometimes with friends but u seem to be so noobish to handle playing with pubs and anyway i wont go too much offtopic since this is about stats and yeah i will say it 1000 time its about psr psr psr forever

[Sandukan]

Don't feel offensed cause you don't have friends, justice guy. That wasn't a personal attack.

If you're totally happy with PD.eu, good for you. Looks like you never tried anything else.

It's like the guy who was raised in a cave since he was born. He got nothing, but he's happy, cause he doesn't know that civilization exists

I for one, don't like to play organized DotA games. There's one simple reason for that: I don't want to plan my life around games. I like to play when I feel like playing, when I want some relaxation and fun. Even if friends randomly come online that usually means waiting for at least 30min so one can finish his game and they can join something together. If you came for 2 or 3 games that doesn't really pay off that well.
That's why I used to love PD.eu, because I was always able to easily get proper games in most cases. It's not the same anymore. I'm now forced to take this game more seriously which leads to stronger addiction. Been there done that, for so many years I don't even want to remember.

I don't think that !sd inherently leads to stat whoring. Random heros mean better or worse stealing ability, which levels everything up. Good !sd host used to value assists the most anyway.

[theMastermind]

Chill.
It's just a public bot with a little addon called "stats" which can help to kick meganoobs.. but that's all.
If you wanna a real ladder with balanced team, go elsewhere : RGC, DL, Dotalicious...
If you wanna have fun with friends, u can play there. If you don't have friends... sorry!

Just one question... What's RGC doing in that list?   

Because it doesn't fit to the word "balanced" nor the word "real ladder" It could actually fit with the word "leavers", but I can't find that one there...

[Alucardo]

Chill.
It's just a public bot with a little addon called "stats" which can help to kick meganoobs.. but that's all.
If you wanna a real ladder with balanced team, go elsewhere : RGC, DL, Dotalicious...
If you wanna have fun with friends, u can play there. If you don't have friends... sorry!

Just one question... What's RGC doing in that list?   

Because it doesn't fit to the word "balanced" nor the word "real ladder" It could actually fit with the word "leavers", but I can't find that one there...

love ya mate +1

[HotBarbecuesBack]

Yeah my bad. RGC is a platform used by other ladders. And some of them are good.

the_justice, answer your PM if you dare, instead of grabbing any opportunity to support other's words when you can't say anything interesting by yourself

[Alucardo]

Yeah my bad. RGC is a platform used by other ladders. And some of them are good.

the_justice, answer your PM if you dare, instead of grabbing any opportunity to support other's words when you can't say anything interesting by yourself

congratulations u play better than me