Level games

[FatalityMk]

interesting or stupid topic??

ok this is a bit funny but interesting thing i have to say i mean can any admin of pd.eu make the games more balanced? there is an idea, just like in a w3 game where a level 20 player cant play games vs level 1 player... can u make the same for dota games?? for example a player that has score 30 to be unable to play games vs a player with score 5...that way the games will be balanced and u can never see a guy that has score 70 play vs noob with a score -3 only like that we will see who is the true pro and the top ranked of the list

i would like to see what u guys think of changes like that..

[Djerfi]

Not like that... It's not good. The solution for this problem is !balance command:

balances current players in lobby according to their score, optionally add slot parameters to tell the balance command to skip that slots when balancing, it should still take score of the skipped slot players into account (not ignore it) and try to do best possible balance!
+ additional improvements to this command!

[FatalityMk]

that kind of a command actually exists?? wow did not know that... can u explain to me how it fully works and how to activate/deactivate...

[Djerfi]

that kind of a command actually exists?? wow did not know that... can u explain to me how it fully works and how to activate/deactivate...

It's in progress, it will be released in the next bot's version!

[Deathfiend]

2 words -> big mistake

score says nothing

[FatalityMk]

cant wait and yea score says excatly what is needed...if they can only divide pro from noob games in stats it would be fantastic...anyways, i hope i will be notified of this change when it occurs...

[Djerfi]

cant wait and yea score says excatly what is needed...if they can only divide pro from noob games in stats it would be fantastic...anyways, i hope i will be notified of this change when it occurs...

Ofc it will... There are always notifications when a new version is done!

[Deathfiend]

nope score says exactly nothing. end of discussion
i got score on - cause of Many losses cause of bootsofspeedstartbuyers,feederz,nabs on my team and i can easily outplay almost all of the top 50


so no, score says nothing. its impossible for a guy to have 90/10 w/l without playing with friends, or kicking nabs on his side and allowing nabs on the other side. and because he does that, that doesnt mean he is pro at all
thats just the way it is, and then, when he wins, that doesnt mean he is better than the guy on the other side who has killed him 6 times in that game and he didnt at all.

i dont care if you get my point, am just saying.

[AgressiveNewbie]

Whatever

[FatalityMk]

nope score says exactly nothing. end of discussion
i got score on - cause of Many losses cause of bootsofspeedstartbuyers,feederz,nabs on my team and i can easily outplay almost all of the top 50


so no, score says nothing. its impossible for a guy to have 90/10 w/l without playing with friends, or kicking nabs on his side and allowing nabs on the other side. and because he does that, that doesnt mean he is pro at all
thats just the way it is, and then, when he wins, that doesnt mean he is better than the guy on the other side who has killed him 6 times in that game and he didnt at all.

i dont care if you get my point, am just saying.

ye mate i get ur point...but look what will happend if changes were made
for example the rules state: players with scores from 1-10 will play only with other players with score from 1-10..players with score from 10-20 to play vs players with the same score from 10-20... so a player with score from 10-20 cant play another player with the score from 50-60...at least i think it sounds good, maybe it is silly but nonetheless the rules must be a bit changed...

[Deathfiend]

sometimes you barely find enough people to start a game, imagine having to play with only close to your score.

edit : some rules must be changed, find them, this isnt one of them, this is just pointless.

[Bleys]

I have a question:
Can a player like this be banned?

He's obviously a pro player who goes to noob games to feed his stats and therefore make the whole ladder and point system completely useless.

e.g you can't differentiate players according to their score.

[rocknrolla]

nope score says exactly nothing. end of discussion
i got score on - cause of Many losses cause of bootsofspeedstartbuyers,feederz,nabs on my team and i can easily outplay almost all of the top 50


so no, score says nothing. its impossible for a guy to have 90/10 w/l without playing with friends, or kicking nabs on his side and allowing nabs on the other side. and because he does that, that doesnt mean he is pro at all
thats just the way it is, and then, when he wins, that doesnt mean he is better than the guy on the other side who has killed him 6 times in that game and he didnt at all.

i dont care if you get my point, am just saying.

Of course I can. I'm the living proof you can go  85% win, even after 200 games. And no, friends are not included. And most of the games played vs stacked teams/friends/PRO players m3nj.
PS . I only say this because I like to brag and I am very modest

[Deathfiend]

well i dont like to !sd everyone like a mental pacient every game i join, thats probably why i end up with ppl that will most likely plug when get owned, hf trying to win alone.

[Ripshaft]

nope score says exactly nothing. end of discussion
i got score on - cause of Many losses cause of bootsofspeedstartbuyers,feederz,nabs on my team and i can easily outplay almost all of the top 50


so no, score says nothing. its impossible for a guy to have 90/10 w/l without playing with friends, or kicking nabs on his side and allowing nabs on the other side. and because he does that, that doesnt mean he is pro at all
thats just the way it is, and then, when he wins, that doesnt mean he is better than the guy on the other side who has killed him 6 times in that game and he didnt at all.

i dont care if you get my point, am just saying.
PS . I only say this because I like to brag and I am very modest

Of course I can. I'm the living proof you can go  85% win, even after 200 games. And no, friends are not included. And most of the games played vs stacked teams/friends/PRO players m3nj.

Randomly checked this thread, this post caught my eye... I found a user named rocknrolla with a 30% win percentage, I'm guessing that's not you. Mabye you're talking about last season, where the personal stats are unfortunately not searchable for some reason, but considering how much the score is weighted towards w/l, you should still be in the top players that are listed in the history, at least in the first few pages, I didnt see anyone there except rock_on who had a remotely similar name. Additionaly, like pretty much every high score player rock_on is clearly a stats abuser, with most games being stacks, and occasional noob games =p

So yeah, i'm curious, who are you? =)

Edit: sorry just realized this has absolutely nothing to do with the thread topic, my appologies, so to at least stay somewhat on focus... umm...

I think the idea behind what is being suggested would be nice to have as an available command, however I doubt it would be used much/at all, and when used might have some nasty effects. The criteria for analyzing statistical data to determine good players is a very tricky thing, as I discovered in my somewhat in-depth study of stacks and analyzing statistical trends. The end result of the proposed idea that i see is not having games that are all that different from just picking any random sample of people in dota, at least without a much more complex level test criteria.

So yeah, long complex bullshit made short: The idea of leveled games is a good one, but not something easily implemented. If the scoring system was overhauled to be something that realistically represents a players approximate or relative skill level, then sure that could be used, but I think the end result would be inconsistent.

If the current scoring system were used, it would not work at all, because people with high scores only get it from abusing the stat system, and they would never want to play a fair/leveled game. As for the lower levels, it's random as hell. The current scoring system is horrid, that's about it.