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Pointless reply
« on: August 26, 2022, 21:31 »
Now, if this is not a joke... Can you you explain me from where he spawned?

https://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php/topic,202172.0.html

In my life I have never seen such a helpful and helpless answer.
By the way, all the rules written say that users must post in that section, while he mentioned another site, can someone cordially infom it about new rules? He's still in 2003 probably. (This message is not offensive, if he wants joke in ban requests topics I doubt is helpful, and closing topic in that way is so unrespectful).
Never argue with idiots. They bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.

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Re: Pointless reply
« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2022, 21:47 »
Can you please show me where it states in the rules of this dota sub-community that one swear via whisper not related to any LAGABUSE game is a punishable offense?

If you don't then i will consider your post offensive and punish you accordingly.
« Last Edit: August 26, 2022, 21:57 by AncientPriest »

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Re: Pointless reply
« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2022, 22:07 »

Ingame Rules

0. General codex:

      a) The following rules apply on "lagabuse.com", "la tour" channels and in any lobby or game hosted by la-dota bots
      b) Spamming, flamming, national intolerance and similar on our channels will be punished with a channel kick (1st time) or a temporal channel ban (2nd+ time)
      c) Evading ban is forbidden and may lead to a lock on server, as well as permaban on all newly created accounts.
      d) Sharing account is forbidden and may have consequences for both, account owner and other person who is using shared account.
      e) Using more than 1 account is allowed unless the rule 0a is broken.
      f) Backdoor is allowed.
      g) Player cannot be forced to use !ff, !rmk, !votekick or !yes commands even if the majority of players wants it unless the rules oblige him to do so.
      h) Saving the game is forbidden.
      i) Reporting anything you are not directly involved is not allowed.
      j) User can not request sanctions for actions Older than 7 Days.


2. Player must not insult:

      a) Common flames[Not Bannable].
          - Retard, idiot, b*tch, motherf*cker and similar expressions are considered as common flames.
          - Excessive usage of common flames in one game may lead to a ban.
      c) Family related flame
          - Any insults or curses directed towards family members of a player are considered as family related flame.
      d) Provoking (only in extreme cases)
      e) National Intolerance/Racism
          - Insulting or cursing a nation as a whole is considered as national intolerance/racism.
          - However, referring to a person by its nationality, e.g. "f*cking serbian/turk/etc" still counts as Common Flame.
      f) Religious Intolerance/Extremism
         - Insulting a person's religion is considered as religious intolerance.
         - Trying to propagandize one's religion in a radical way may be considered as extremism.
      Note: This also applies to insults via whisper.
      Note: Insulting a staff member (check with !info) in any way may lead to a ban.
      Note: You are advised to use the !ignore command against flamer whenever possible.
      Note: Reporting flame that is not directed to Yourself is not allowed, only the person directly involved can request a Ban.



I have enlarged and made them bold the two sentences. The following rules apply on channels and he swear at him via whisper.

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Re: Pointless reply
« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2022, 22:09 »
So if you reside on channel LA and someone who plays Legion TD whispers a swear you ban him from DOTA games?
Do you realize what you're saying?

That is the INGAME RULES part, not on a channel, when you're sitting and drinking your tea and random shitbag whispers a swear cause he feels like it.
« Last Edit: August 26, 2022, 22:11 by AncientPriest »

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Re: Pointless reply
« Reply #4 on: August 26, 2022, 22:15 »
This will never happen because nobody will swear at him if he doesn't know him. Our rules are good and effective. Plus we know who is dota player and who is not dota player. we have many different type of sanctions.
« Last Edit: August 26, 2022, 22:16 by TheJOkerBoy »

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Re: Pointless reply
« Reply #5 on: August 26, 2022, 22:19 »
So if you reside on channel LA and someone who plays Legion TD whispers a swear you ban him from DOTA games?
Do you realize what you're saying?

That is the INGAME RULES part, not on a channel, when you're sitting and drinking your tea and random shitbag whispers a swear cause he feels like it.

Check the rules once again. " channels" is written too. plus we can ban them everyone who broke rules.

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Re: Pointless reply
« Reply #6 on: August 26, 2022, 22:21 »
You don't understand the concept of rules and maybe you should be reminded.
Rules are meant to be applied as long as the offense is made within the LA dota community.
For the sole reason that the other person is a dota player, an offense must happen within the DOTA Jurisdiction.
If you can't comprehend that, maybe your admins can teach it to you.
A whisper not related in any way to a dota game is in no way punishable by you, and it might be punishable by server rules, not dota rules, if a ban request is done accordingly.

IF a player resides in a channel but an offense is done via whisper, that is not your dota part.
« Last Edit: August 26, 2022, 22:23 by AncientPriest »

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Re: Pointless reply
« Reply #7 on: August 26, 2022, 22:25 »
you are right too but our rules are punishing them too. we always do this. If the player didn't get his lesson from my ban. A high staff member is LOCKING him.
« Last Edit: August 26, 2022, 22:27 by TheJOkerBoy »

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Re: Pointless reply
« Reply #8 on: August 26, 2022, 22:28 »
You always do this, cause you're wrong.
Just cause you feel a bit of punishing power and you do it, doesn't make it RIGHT...

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Re: Pointless reply
« Reply #9 on: August 26, 2022, 22:33 »
Those rules are very old. I am here only judging them according to those rules and "This also applies to insults via whisper." is written in our rules.

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Re: Pointless reply
« Reply #10 on: August 26, 2022, 22:38 »
If it is related to dota in any way POSSIBLE, otherwise, you've done wrong for a very long time.
I remember the admins knowing it has to be related to dota before punishing people.

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Re: Pointless reply
« Reply #11 on: August 26, 2022, 22:42 »
doesn't matter. If he is not dota player we are going to lock his IP address immediately. we are checking him ofcourse.

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Re: Pointless reply
« Reply #12 on: August 26, 2022, 22:45 »
It does matter, you can't ban left and right from DOTA cause some players don't like other players, that's not your job.
I'm done with this subject, the ban request is closed due to reasons mentioned, it is not within LA jurisdiction and not connected to LA in any way possible.
An LA admin will come and confirm or deny my decision.

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Re: Pointless reply
« Reply #13 on: August 26, 2022, 22:45 »
But how do you know It wasn't related to DotA?
I said in Ban Request "I just left lobby", which means I was in v6.90 DotA map, and he swears me randomly?
How you consider It isn't related DotA?
Obviously It's not IN-GAME flame, but still is a swear related to DotA.
Even cen solved much ban requests where flames were via pm, but he never complained about topics had to be posted in eurobattle.

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Re: Pointless reply
« Reply #14 on: August 28, 2022, 16:30 »
Historically:
Insults via whispers during a game = LA bot ban
Insults via whispers in LA channel = LA bot channel ban (cban - last years rarely used)
Insults via whispers in non - LA channel = no ban - It should be posted in the xpam forum not the LA forum

However, in the last years all the users post ban requests in la and not in xpam thus it is natural that some of the responsibilities were transferred - leading to bans/locks due to insults via whispers.

Currently, the topic is under discussion and will be updated when a decision has been reached.
« Last Edit: August 28, 2022, 16:37 by iErnesto94 »