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auto host
« on: July 14, 2021, 13:01 »
could you make 1 auto host? people are lazy to host. Even when they do seems they can't refuse the temptation to stack in their favor. It would be nice to be able to just join and go afk until the game starts.

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Re: auto host
« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2021, 16:00 »
Hm !support

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Re: auto host
« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2021, 17:01 »
You mean like this?



How it works:
1. /w lagabuse.com .map <map>
2. /w lagabuse.com .autohost <name>
3. It will rehost until x players joined and then start

It wasn't fully ready i think and there was some bug so i removed it back then but as you see i have local copies. If mr @cen wants i can send this branch to him (for a price ofc)
« Last Edit: July 14, 2021, 17:06 by luke »

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Re: auto host
« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2021, 20:51 »
could you make 1 auto host? people are lazy to host. Even when they do seems they can't refuse the temptation to stack in their favor. It would be nice to be able to just join and go afk until the game starts.
would be great just to test how its going to work for some time,if its successful we can go and remove the manual host on ladder games.
still there are some changes to be done because sometimes system does not balance properly when there is a way to make a better one.

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Re: auto host
« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2021, 22:33 »
There was this idea some time ago. Idk if it will work here but need 2 things

1. Need autohost functionality which i almost finished making (but now nobody to work on it)

2. Need to fix !balance which means need to fix psr formula too. Already talked 100 times about it again main problem is that nobody will work on it, not enough technical staff to work on lagabuse projects and nobody experienced with ranked games balancing (but plenty to give bans left and right ofc, only thing they can anyway)
« Last Edit: July 14, 2021, 22:45 by luke »

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Re: auto host
« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2021, 00:02 »
I dislike the idea of autohosting, as I spent a lot of time with @AGENT playing castle fight on autohosted bot - its very bad for so many reasons and it ruined some games because we were unable to kick some random Peruvian - Argentinan or whatever player which comes with 1500ms latency prior game start.

Lets just say that most of the times, for any random reasons(latency/stats/country/he just left from another game as ilidan123 and joined as ilidan124/he is marask/or whichever other) you want to kick certain group of players from a game, or at least not want them in your team, and in autohost you can't do this.

There are ofcourse various other reasons why games shouldn't be autohosted, but I'll let someone else figure it out for now. Anyway if you can't bother on lobbying for 10 minutes, why bother playing for 30-40 more?
« Last Edit: July 15, 2021, 02:05 by Akuma »
I was confused with this, and it was not only once, but it happens from time to time to /w wrong bot. If it was changed to la-custom or custom-la everyone would understand why is like that. But like this you must to read on forum to understand, even if you don't understand..

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Re: auto host
« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2021, 01:32 »
For this to be implemented, autobalance should also factor in k/d/a and wr%. Otherwise it will be random and very often unbalanced.
Mainly due to top players that join with low games account.

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Re: auto host
« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2021, 01:45 »
Well, its complicated. But im sure you will find a solution, since it seems to be a demanded thing

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Re: auto host
« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2021, 08:05 »
Im not suggesting switching manual hosting to auto hosting. Im not concerned about balance or balancing system as well, even if there was none - random shuffle would do just fine.

In some games host swap players in a way that even if balance seems ok you have very little chance of winning, mainly because stats reset so often and players have many accounts. Psr is not reflecting the actual psr player is going to reach.

There are players with bad stats, sometimes they are bad/new players, sometimes they had a bad game or two and then they are getting kicked from every game or swapped to 2nd team ruining their stats even further.

Manual hosting is superior at the game quality if done right, but let's be honest, most of the games are hosted by players who just abuse the system.

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Re: auto host
« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2021, 09:04 »
There is nothing quite as pleasant as the recursion situation that occurs in real life.
« Last Edit: July 15, 2021, 09:28 by phaq »
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Re: auto host
« Reply #10 on: July 15, 2021, 20:21 »
Im not suggesting switching manual hosting to auto hosting. Im not concerned about balance or balancing system as well, even if there was none - random shuffle would do just fine.

In some games host swap players in a way that even if balance seems ok you have very little chance of winning, mainly because stats reset so often and players have many accounts. Psr is not reflecting the actual psr player is going to reach.

There are players with bad stats, sometimes they are bad/new players, sometimes they had a bad game or two and then they are getting kicked from every game or swapped to 2nd team ruining their stats even further.

Manual hosting is superior at the game quality if done right, but let's be honest, most of the games are hosted by players who just abuse the system.
random shuffle would fuck the psr distribution system for sure so it has to be done with the autobalance aswell but like Iernesto said sometimes the system fails to balance the game 50-50

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Re: auto host
« Reply #11 on: July 15, 2021, 21:02 »
:what:

Auto hosting will be good cuz some people are kicks noobs from host. :c ^^

I think not balance is not problem, players is <<

https://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=6400974

1 afking / blind - Kunkka

2 player is scared to fights - Furion

3 Player spammed for type !FF we could win - Lina

4 after his death dc to leave - Huskar.

K/D/A is very important in balance ^^
« Last Edit: July 15, 2021, 21:04 by 4K »
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Re: auto host
« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2021, 08:49 »
K/D/A is very important in balance ^^
I disagree.

I think, D/I/R is very important
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Re: auto host
« Reply #13 on: July 17, 2021, 03:27 »
K/D/A is very important in balance ^^
I disagree.

I think, D/I/R is very important

You are forgetting that substats are very important too. I suggest to consider both M/E/D and e/e/R for maximum balance

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Re: auto host
« Reply #14 on: July 17, 2021, 16:19 »
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