Suggestion for Stacking

[Corristo]

Obviously I understand what you mean. But playing 5 carries, would loose you the game, so you would loose PSR. This is why it should be 50% psr and 50% KDA ratio.
The players would play to win, and the KDA ratio would balance the lobby by players skills, not only PSR.

You can't just focus both, so players would start playing roles in game, not just everyone taking carry. And the balance comand would at least split players according to their skills...well, at least to some degree.

[cen]

Ultimately what matters is winning the game. You can't really get 1600+ PSR just by being lucky with bad stats or have bad PSR and good stats. Everything is kinda connected together and averaged out, so if you add KDA and WL into the balance formula for example, I am not sure it would change the end result a lot or at all.

[bbctakeover]

I didnt get to play yet but this system looks better already as winrate is the important issue and those +1 points players wont be in the ladder anymore aka tooshade.One more suggestion is make autobalanced game and increase the point reward in those games. I think this would fix everything

[Corristo]

Well, then balance would mean not only PSR average (as it is now), but KDA average/team too.
If this isn't helping balance, then I don't know what does.

[territory23]

I am willing to experiment with adding KDA into the mix but as a starting point, I need to see a lobby where:
- A: the balance formula says the game is balanced, but it is actually not, here is why..

Here it is. Nr94 had almost new account with very good stats. Game was balanced.

https://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=6390222

[ilikedat]

I am willing to experiment with adding KDA into the mix but as a starting point, I need to see a lobby where:
- A: the balance formula says the game is balanced, but it is actually not, here is why..

Here it is. Nr94 had almost new account with very good stats. Game was balanced.

https://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=6390222

i dont think there is any chance to balance that game with 8 players having negative scores and one having 15 k per game so that is not the best example to be taken.

[FataLity-]

I dont understand the problem with this psr system how do you expect it to be perfect?
From what I have seen 1700 + players are always better than lower psrs. There are exceptional cases where someone opens a new account or doesnt play for a long time and comes back.
There are exceptions in the ladder where player has high points and on top of the ladder aka stackers and +1 point players. It can be fixed easliy or maybe already fixed, couldnt play this new system yet.

KDA is a bad idea it would only make games more toxic. Also it is a big fuck you to suicide players such as @jordanpeterson

Yet there is a problem that if a high psr player wont get psr from a game he will open a new account and system flawed again.

Could be good if multiaccount wasnt allowed like hwid system to eb =>1 pc= 1 id
Could be good if there was a autohost games or a system where host only determines the psr limit and everything is automatic. And players get different ladder/ more points for such games.

Also when you play with 1900 account and get all 1400 players and if enemy has 2-3 1600 -1700 players you can see that there is a good skill level difference between them as sub 1600 players barely make any contribution to the game depending on their hero. These games are so hard to win

[territory23]

I agree with you ilikedat, but I mean there are very good players with low PSRs. Especially when they create new accounts.

https://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=6390204

This one is better example. He was in sentinel, teaming up with the highest PSR in that game.  Maybe all 1600+ needed to play against him.

[FataLity-]

I dont understand the problem with this psr system how do you expect it to be perfect?
From what I have seen 1700 + players are always better than lower psrs. There are exceptional cases where someone opens a new account or doesnt play for a long time and comes back.
There are exceptions in the ladder where player has high points and on top of the ladder aka stackers and +1 point players. It can be fixed easliy or maybe already fixed, couldnt play this new system yet.

KDA is a bad idea it would only make games more toxic. Also it is a big fuck you to suicide players such as @jordanpeterson

Yet there is a problem that if a high psr player wont get psr from a game he will open a new account and system flawed again.

Could be good if multiaccount wasnt allowed like hwid system to eb =>1 pc= 1 id
Could be good if there was a autohost games or a system where host only determines the psr limit and everything is automatic. And players get different ladder/ more points for such games.

Also when you play with 1900 account and get all 1400 players and if enemy has 2-3 1600 -1700 players you can see that there is a good skill level difference between them as sub 1600 players barely make any contribution to the game depending on their hero. These games are so hard to win

Tldr:
Psr system does its job getting good players on higher bad players on lower ranks but there are outliers

[Corristo]

So the simplest to implement would be too make PSR system more rewarding/punishing if the win percentage is not balanced.lets say team 1 has 80% win chance, then their psr loss should be more punishing, and winnnig less psr as it would be 50-50.
This would discourage hosts from stacking too.
(altought it wouldn't make games more balanced as KDA ratio would).

[4K]

2021 DotA

This my opinion(bad/good) will make all fine.

Why not let ppls choose, should be like this (Example) use like !YES/GO or !READY, and disable cmd !start force + add votekick in game lobby 6/7 votes if player afk/refused to go ready.

[grga_man]

2021 DotA

This my opinion(bad/good) will make all fine.

Why not let ppls choose, should be like this (Example) use like !YES/GO or !READY, and disable cmd !start force + add votekick in game lobby 6/7 votes if player afk/refused to go ready.

So why copy rgc system, you can simply join rgc.. I mean so much effort for something that exists already.

[4K]

2021 DotA

This my opinion(bad/good) will make all fine.

Why not let ppls choose, should be like this (Example) use like !YES/GO or !READY, and disable cmd !start force + add votekick in game lobby 6/7 votes if player afk/refused to go ready.

So why copy rgc system, you can simply join rgc.. I mean so much effort for something that exists already.

No copy(Don't take ideas like copy^^, And if 5 friends or 4 or 3 friends want to play together, basically penalizing the whole friends when no together play..

[luke]

Where are friends play always will be stackers

[AntlermanXXL]

Cannot believe how far it gone :-D

Fake issue into real solutions, incredible