Author Topic: Stealing my rights  (Read 965 times)

Offline Deynro

  • Pro Member
  • *
  • Topic Author
  • Posts: 367
  • Country: 00
  • Karma: +96/-110
  • Server Account: -deynro-
    PSR: Loading
    Games: Loading
    Wins/Loses: Loading/Loading
    Hero K/D/A: Loading
    Creep K/D/N: Loading
    Show/hide more stats
  • Awards Contributor [COMMON] Winner of 5 Mirana Wars Tours [LEGENDARY] DotA 5v5 Tournament Winner [EPIC] Archer Wars Tournament Winner [RARE] Winner of 5 Pudge Wars Tours [LEGENDARY] 2v2 SHOM Tournament Winner [RARE] 5v5 Xmas Tournament Winner [EPIC] Invoker 1v1 Tournament Winner [RARE] The Predator Tour Winner [RARE] MadBalls Tournament Winner [RARE] Tiny Tournament Winner [RARE] Warlock Tour Winner [RARE] 1v1 Earthshaker Tournament Winner [RARE] Winner of 5 Daily Tours [COMMON] 1v1 Windrunner Tour Winner [RARE] Admiral Tournament Winner [RARE] Leshrac 1v1 Tournament Winner [RARE] 1v1 Nevermore Tour Winner [RARE] Invoker Wars Tournament [RARE] LA Ladder #4-10 [LEGENDARY]
    • View Profile
    • Awards
Stealing my rights
« on: June 02, 2020, 04:06 »
I am both ,,Tournament support" and ,,VIP member" , i just requested stats reset on the private request and you kicked me out of all?  It's my beneficies that i've won with my time, i know you hate me but that's not a very nice move to take away my earnings, not even a warning or a word to me. I think this is way too personal.

@jeandarc I'll request your assistance since you are the only one in the staff that i really don't think to have something with me and you'll be totally impartial and objective.

I really though of you guys that you've changed, i srsly though you would not do imorally things anymore, seems like i was wrong and you didn't change at all.
« Last Edit: June 02, 2020, 04:09 by Deynro »
Don't give up on your dreams, keep sleeping.


Offline jeandarc

  • Administrator
  • HolyShit Member
  • *
  • Posts: 5198
  • Country: jp
  • Karma: +865/-649
  • Server Account: jeandarc
    PSR: Loading
    Games: Loading
    Wins/Loses: Loading/Loading
    Hero K/D/A: Loading
    Creep K/D/N: Loading
    Show/hide more stats
  • Awards Lagabuse Legend Winner of 1 Challenge of the Week [COMMON] Winning 3 seasons of Football Betting [EPIC] GFX Tournament Participant [COMMON] Making 50 bets in Footbal Betting [COMMON] GFX staff member [RARE] Winner of 1 Signature of the Week Contest [COMMON] LA Ladder #11-25 [EPIC] 1v1 Earthshaker Tournament Winner [RARE] 1v1 Queen of Pain Tour Winner [RARE] Winner of 5 ShadowRaze Tours [LEGENDARY] Mirana Wars Winner [RARE] Pudge 1v1 Tournament Winner [RARE] Invoker Wars Tournament [RARE] 1v1 AR Tour Winner [RARE] Pudge Wars Tournament Winner [RARE] 2v2 SHOM Tournament Winner [RARE] Uther Party Tournament Winner [COMMON] MadBalls Tournament Winner [RARE] Junior Tournament Member [RARE]
    • View Profile
    • Awards
Re: Stealing my rights
« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2020, 08:43 »
If my memory serves me right you requested on your own to be removed after you heard that at the time there were other ways to gain VIP other than being on top of the ladder.

Your quote:

Please remove me from the VIP list / group and add Sejanus to that list, he is also patreon, i don't want to be in an unfair place.

Also, let me remind your words @Jimmy

http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?topic=186852.0

,,Top 20 players of each season get promoted to VIP status."

Offline Deynro

  • Pro Member
  • *
  • Topic Author
  • Posts: 367
  • Country: 00
  • Karma: +96/-110
  • Server Account: -deynro-
    PSR: Loading
    Games: Loading
    Wins/Loses: Loading/Loading
    Hero K/D/A: Loading
    Creep K/D/N: Loading
    Show/hide more stats
  • Awards Contributor [COMMON] Winner of 5 Mirana Wars Tours [LEGENDARY] DotA 5v5 Tournament Winner [EPIC] Archer Wars Tournament Winner [RARE] Winner of 5 Pudge Wars Tours [LEGENDARY] 2v2 SHOM Tournament Winner [RARE] 5v5 Xmas Tournament Winner [EPIC] Invoker 1v1 Tournament Winner [RARE] The Predator Tour Winner [RARE] MadBalls Tournament Winner [RARE] Tiny Tournament Winner [RARE] Warlock Tour Winner [RARE] 1v1 Earthshaker Tournament Winner [RARE] Winner of 5 Daily Tours [COMMON] 1v1 Windrunner Tour Winner [RARE] Admiral Tournament Winner [RARE] Leshrac 1v1 Tournament Winner [RARE] 1v1 Nevermore Tour Winner [RARE] Invoker Wars Tournament [RARE] LA Ladder #4-10 [LEGENDARY]
    • View Profile
    • Awards
Re: Stealing my rights
« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2020, 15:55 »
If my memory serves me right you requested on your own to be removed after you heard that at the time there were other ways to gain VIP other than being on top of the ladder.

Your quote:

Please remove me from the VIP list / group and add Sejanus to that list, he is also patreon, i don't want to be in an unfair place.

Also, let me remind your words @Jimmy

http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?topic=186852.0

,,Top 20 players of each season get promoted to VIP status."


Yes, i said that because of my principles, but, it was only for the status, i didn't want to be showed VIP under my name, and it was changed to my normal, afterwards i didn't said anything, all ok. i just didn't want that under my name. But why wouldn't i want my beneficies that i've earn? And why would you kick me from all after such a long time? Why not at that time? Why now?
Don't give up on your dreams, keep sleeping.


Offline luke

  • ~evil~
  • Contributor
  • MonsterKill Member
  • *
  • Posts: 3750
  • Country: de
  • Karma: +479/-236
  • Awards Warlock Tour Winner [RARE] Pudge Wars Tournament Winner [RARE] Hacks staff member [RARE] Shadow Raze Tour Award [RARE] Best B&U mod of the month 3 times in a row [EPIC] 3rd Place Admins Cup [EPIC] Uther Party Tournament Winner [COMMON]
    • View Profile
    • Awards
Re: Stealing my rights
« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2020, 16:17 »
I think you behave inconsistent, first dont want status, now again want. Why not earn it again, so that you value it more? If all will be given status at demand then whats it worth?

Offline Deynro

  • Pro Member
  • *
  • Topic Author
  • Posts: 367
  • Country: 00
  • Karma: +96/-110
  • Server Account: -deynro-
    PSR: Loading
    Games: Loading
    Wins/Loses: Loading/Loading
    Hero K/D/A: Loading
    Creep K/D/N: Loading
    Show/hide more stats
  • Awards Contributor [COMMON] Winner of 5 Mirana Wars Tours [LEGENDARY] DotA 5v5 Tournament Winner [EPIC] Archer Wars Tournament Winner [RARE] Winner of 5 Pudge Wars Tours [LEGENDARY] 2v2 SHOM Tournament Winner [RARE] 5v5 Xmas Tournament Winner [EPIC] Invoker 1v1 Tournament Winner [RARE] The Predator Tour Winner [RARE] MadBalls Tournament Winner [RARE] Tiny Tournament Winner [RARE] Warlock Tour Winner [RARE] 1v1 Earthshaker Tournament Winner [RARE] Winner of 5 Daily Tours [COMMON] 1v1 Windrunner Tour Winner [RARE] Admiral Tournament Winner [RARE] Leshrac 1v1 Tournament Winner [RARE] 1v1 Nevermore Tour Winner [RARE] Invoker Wars Tournament [RARE] LA Ladder #4-10 [LEGENDARY]
    • View Profile
    • Awards
Re: Stealing my rights
« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2020, 16:25 »
I think you behave inconsistent, first dont want status, now again want. Why not earn it again, so that you value it more? If all will be given status at demand then whats it worth?

I think it was clear enough, i just didn't want my name to be associated with that guy, so i requested that, as i recall, it's my right to choose which status i want, also, i want to know if that's the reason why you kicked me from all groups, why you did it yesterday after i requested something and not at that time? And i also had some other groups, you removed me from all.
Don't give up on your dreams, keep sleeping.


Offline Deynro

  • Pro Member
  • *
  • Topic Author
  • Posts: 367
  • Country: 00
  • Karma: +96/-110
  • Server Account: -deynro-
    PSR: Loading
    Games: Loading
    Wins/Loses: Loading/Loading
    Hero K/D/A: Loading
    Creep K/D/N: Loading
    Show/hide more stats
  • Awards Contributor [COMMON] Winner of 5 Mirana Wars Tours [LEGENDARY] DotA 5v5 Tournament Winner [EPIC] Archer Wars Tournament Winner [RARE] Winner of 5 Pudge Wars Tours [LEGENDARY] 2v2 SHOM Tournament Winner [RARE] 5v5 Xmas Tournament Winner [EPIC] Invoker 1v1 Tournament Winner [RARE] The Predator Tour Winner [RARE] MadBalls Tournament Winner [RARE] Tiny Tournament Winner [RARE] Warlock Tour Winner [RARE] 1v1 Earthshaker Tournament Winner [RARE] Winner of 5 Daily Tours [COMMON] 1v1 Windrunner Tour Winner [RARE] Admiral Tournament Winner [RARE] Leshrac 1v1 Tournament Winner [RARE] 1v1 Nevermore Tour Winner [RARE] Invoker Wars Tournament [RARE] LA Ladder #4-10 [LEGENDARY]
    • View Profile
    • Awards
Re: Stealing my rights
« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2020, 16:29 »
Very shameless of you, anyway, i don't want to waste time on dramas anymore since i am tired of it, but, this is way too unfair, you practically f**ked on everything i did on this platform.
Don't give up on your dreams, keep sleeping.


Offline luke

  • ~evil~
  • Contributor
  • MonsterKill Member
  • *
  • Posts: 3750
  • Country: de
  • Karma: +479/-236
  • Awards Warlock Tour Winner [RARE] Pudge Wars Tournament Winner [RARE] Hacks staff member [RARE] Shadow Raze Tour Award [RARE] Best B&U mod of the month 3 times in a row [EPIC] 3rd Place Admins Cup [EPIC] Uther Party Tournament Winner [COMMON]
    • View Profile
    • Awards
Re: Stealing my rights
« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2020, 16:30 »
Dont know why you said "You kicked me" to me. How i can kick you if im regular user? I just say from my perspective you behave too implulsive and i clear remember you said something like "i dont want to be in this vip memberrgroup if anyone can join it, so please remove it" and admins removed and now you want it back.

Offline luke

  • ~evil~
  • Contributor
  • MonsterKill Member
  • *
  • Posts: 3750
  • Country: de
  • Karma: +479/-236
  • Awards Warlock Tour Winner [RARE] Pudge Wars Tournament Winner [RARE] Hacks staff member [RARE] Shadow Raze Tour Award [RARE] Best B&U mod of the month 3 times in a row [EPIC] 3rd Place Admins Cup [EPIC] Uther Party Tournament Winner [COMMON]
    • View Profile
    • Awards
Re: Stealing my rights
« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2020, 16:32 »
So i think if you asked to remove then it shouldnt be given back on demand, you knew what you were going for.

But if other groups were removed for example tournament supporter, i think it was mistake, makese sense to request them back, here i support

Offline Deynro

  • Pro Member
  • *
  • Topic Author
  • Posts: 367
  • Country: 00
  • Karma: +96/-110
  • Server Account: -deynro-
    PSR: Loading
    Games: Loading
    Wins/Loses: Loading/Loading
    Hero K/D/A: Loading
    Creep K/D/N: Loading
    Show/hide more stats
  • Awards Contributor [COMMON] Winner of 5 Mirana Wars Tours [LEGENDARY] DotA 5v5 Tournament Winner [EPIC] Archer Wars Tournament Winner [RARE] Winner of 5 Pudge Wars Tours [LEGENDARY] 2v2 SHOM Tournament Winner [RARE] 5v5 Xmas Tournament Winner [EPIC] Invoker 1v1 Tournament Winner [RARE] The Predator Tour Winner [RARE] MadBalls Tournament Winner [RARE] Tiny Tournament Winner [RARE] Warlock Tour Winner [RARE] 1v1 Earthshaker Tournament Winner [RARE] Winner of 5 Daily Tours [COMMON] 1v1 Windrunner Tour Winner [RARE] Admiral Tournament Winner [RARE] Leshrac 1v1 Tournament Winner [RARE] 1v1 Nevermore Tour Winner [RARE] Invoker Wars Tournament [RARE] LA Ladder #4-10 [LEGENDARY]
    • View Profile
    • Awards
Re: Stealing my rights
« Reply #8 on: June 02, 2020, 16:41 »
Dont know why you said "You kicked me" to me. How i can kick you if im regular user? I just say from my perspective you behave too implulsive and i clear remember you said something like "i dont want to be in this vip memberrgroup if anyone can join it, so please remove it" and admins removed and now you want it back.

When i say ,,you" i mean the staff, i don't know who did it so i'm appealing like that, what you don't understand is that at that time they didn't remove me from the group, they  did only the status from under my name which is what i wanted, and they did that,i didn't even said anything after that since they did what i want, they removed me from all the groups yesterday after i requested something, that's why i am doing this, it already passed a long time after that discussion, why now?

I am kinda repeating myself, but seems like you don't understand
Don't give up on your dreams, keep sleeping.


Offline Jimmy

  • Honored member
  • GodLike Member
  • *
  • Posts: 11534
  • Country: cs
  • Karma: +772/-522
  • (Retired) LA Clan Chieftain
  • Awards Best B&U mod of the month 5 times [LEGENDARY] MVP Member [LEGENDARY] LA High Staff [EPIC] Lagabuse Legend Advisor Winner of 5 Photoshop Challenge Contests [EPIC] IHRL Member [RARE] Best Tours mod of the month 3 times in a row [EPIC] VIP Member [EPIC] Contributor [COMMON] B&U staff member [RARE] Hacks staff member [RARE] Tours staff member [RARE] Forum staff member [RARE] Best Hacks Moderator of the month [RARE] GodLike Tournament Member [LEGENDARY] Best Tours mod of the month 5 times in a row [LEGENDARY] Tournaments Contribution [RARE] DotA 5v5 Tournament Winner [EPIC] Pudge Wars Tournament Winner [RARE]
    • View Profile
    • Awards
Re: Stealing my rights
« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2020, 16:43 »
You want to be integrated back into VIP membergroup?

Offline Deynro

  • Pro Member
  • *
  • Topic Author
  • Posts: 367
  • Country: 00
  • Karma: +96/-110
  • Server Account: -deynro-
    PSR: Loading
    Games: Loading
    Wins/Loses: Loading/Loading
    Hero K/D/A: Loading
    Creep K/D/N: Loading
    Show/hide more stats
  • Awards Contributor [COMMON] Winner of 5 Mirana Wars Tours [LEGENDARY] DotA 5v5 Tournament Winner [EPIC] Archer Wars Tournament Winner [RARE] Winner of 5 Pudge Wars Tours [LEGENDARY] 2v2 SHOM Tournament Winner [RARE] 5v5 Xmas Tournament Winner [EPIC] Invoker 1v1 Tournament Winner [RARE] The Predator Tour Winner [RARE] MadBalls Tournament Winner [RARE] Tiny Tournament Winner [RARE] Warlock Tour Winner [RARE] 1v1 Earthshaker Tournament Winner [RARE] Winner of 5 Daily Tours [COMMON] 1v1 Windrunner Tour Winner [RARE] Admiral Tournament Winner [RARE] Leshrac 1v1 Tournament Winner [RARE] 1v1 Nevermore Tour Winner [RARE] Invoker Wars Tournament [RARE] LA Ladder #4-10 [LEGENDARY]
    • View Profile
    • Awards
Re: Stealing my rights
« Reply #10 on: June 02, 2020, 16:48 »
You want to be integrated back into VIP membergroup?

I don't care about the status, all i want is my beneficies back and i would like an answer to my main question, why would ,,you" kick me and get rid of all my beneficies yesterday? Let say it's about that event, but still, doing it after such a long time, srsly? Also why is other groups affected by it?
Don't give up on your dreams, keep sleeping.


Offline Jimmy

  • Honored member
  • GodLike Member
  • *
  • Posts: 11534
  • Country: cs
  • Karma: +772/-522
  • (Retired) LA Clan Chieftain
  • Awards Best B&U mod of the month 5 times [LEGENDARY] MVP Member [LEGENDARY] LA High Staff [EPIC] Lagabuse Legend Advisor Winner of 5 Photoshop Challenge Contests [EPIC] IHRL Member [RARE] Best Tours mod of the month 3 times in a row [EPIC] VIP Member [EPIC] Contributor [COMMON] B&U staff member [RARE] Hacks staff member [RARE] Tours staff member [RARE] Forum staff member [RARE] Best Hacks Moderator of the month [RARE] GodLike Tournament Member [LEGENDARY] Best Tours mod of the month 5 times in a row [LEGENDARY] Tournaments Contribution [RARE] DotA 5v5 Tournament Winner [EPIC] Pudge Wars Tournament Winner [RARE]
    • View Profile
    • Awards
Re: Stealing my rights
« Reply #11 on: June 02, 2020, 17:58 »
In what Jean quoted , you said to Promote Sejanus to some group.
Now you want beneficials of a group but dont want to be Represented in it.
you assigned Community Administrator to personally solve your issue.

To my knowledge only Eurobattle Administrators have the power to act,order and behave like that , and i never seen them do it.
On the other hand , you gave yourself the liberty to do so.


Ontopic Request, you have been removed upon request due reasons you have, and that is reasonable.
Let me ask you again, do you want to be reincluded in VIP membergroup , same like every other member is?

Offline Deynro

  • Pro Member
  • *
  • Topic Author
  • Posts: 367
  • Country: 00
  • Karma: +96/-110
  • Server Account: -deynro-
    PSR: Loading
    Games: Loading
    Wins/Loses: Loading/Loading
    Hero K/D/A: Loading
    Creep K/D/N: Loading
    Show/hide more stats
  • Awards Contributor [COMMON] Winner of 5 Mirana Wars Tours [LEGENDARY] DotA 5v5 Tournament Winner [EPIC] Archer Wars Tournament Winner [RARE] Winner of 5 Pudge Wars Tours [LEGENDARY] 2v2 SHOM Tournament Winner [RARE] 5v5 Xmas Tournament Winner [EPIC] Invoker 1v1 Tournament Winner [RARE] The Predator Tour Winner [RARE] MadBalls Tournament Winner [RARE] Tiny Tournament Winner [RARE] Warlock Tour Winner [RARE] 1v1 Earthshaker Tournament Winner [RARE] Winner of 5 Daily Tours [COMMON] 1v1 Windrunner Tour Winner [RARE] Admiral Tournament Winner [RARE] Leshrac 1v1 Tournament Winner [RARE] 1v1 Nevermore Tour Winner [RARE] Invoker Wars Tournament [RARE] LA Ladder #4-10 [LEGENDARY]
    • View Profile
    • Awards
Re: Stealing my rights
« Reply #12 on: June 02, 2020, 18:24 »
In what Jean quoted , you said to Promote Sejanus to some group.
Now you want beneficials of a group but dont want to be Represented in it.
you assigned Community Administrator to personally solve your issue.

To my knowledge only Eurobattle Administrators have the power to act,order and behave like that , and i never seen them do it.
On the other hand , you gave yourself the liberty to do so.


Ontopic Request, you have been removed upon request due reasons you have, and that is reasonable.
Let me ask you again, do you want to be reincluded in VIP membergroup , same like every other member is?

It wasn't about sejanus, it was about another guy, i don't remember the name, it was a guy that donated some money to you and instead putting him in the patreon, you've put him in the VIP, even though he was one of the worst players on the servers, several accounts with 1300 psr and kd like 1/15, i just didn't wanted to be associated with him since he took a status which should not be granted with money. Put me back in the groups but don't put the status under my name if that guy is still there, i still respect my principles.
I requested Jean as a person from staff, not because he is administrator, from all the people in the staff, i didn't have any type of private dispute with him and i think of him as a objective person, so i requested him since you all are offended by me.
Don't give up on your dreams, keep sleeping.


Offline Akuma

  • HolyShit Member
  • *
  • Posts: 5103
  • Country: ie
  • Karma: +657/-441
  • Awards Making 50 bets in Footbal Betting [COMMON] Winner of 1 Photoshop Challenge Contest [COMMON] Jungle Race Tour Winner [RARE] Winner of 5 Uther Party Tours Castle Fight Winner [RARE] Shadow Raze Tour Award [RARE] Junior Tournament Member [RARE] MadBalls Tournament Winner [RARE]
    • View Profile
    • Awards
Re: Stealing my rights
« Reply #13 on: June 02, 2020, 19:28 »
Quote
I don't care about the status, all i want is my beneficies back and i would like an answer to my main question, why would ,,you" kick me and get rid of all my beneficies yesterday? Let say it's about that event, but still, doing it after such a long time, srsly? Also why is other groups affected by it?

Well benefits kinda go with status, meaning - you gain some status, you gain some benefits. You lose status, you lose benefits.

The reason why they didn't remove you from the group probably means they forgot about it, and you haven't request anything after your status removal.

This pretty much means when they removed you now, they fixed this mistake of you standing there without status, and it's a good job whenever some mistake is fixed.

Also Jimmy pretty straight forward asked you "do you want status or not" there is no middle ground there it's either take it or leave it, and you have the freedom of choice this time.

I'd advise admins that after this is solved to not accept such behavior and after someone loses status by any means, he has to earn it back.
I was confused with this, and it was not only once, but it happens from time to time to /w wrong bot. If it was changed to la-custom or custom-la everyone would understand why is like that. But like this you must to read on forum to understand, even if you don't understand..

Offline Jimmy

  • Honored member
  • GodLike Member
  • *
  • Posts: 11534
  • Country: cs
  • Karma: +772/-522
  • (Retired) LA Clan Chieftain
  • Awards Best B&U mod of the month 5 times [LEGENDARY] MVP Member [LEGENDARY] LA High Staff [EPIC] Lagabuse Legend Advisor Winner of 5 Photoshop Challenge Contests [EPIC] IHRL Member [RARE] Best Tours mod of the month 3 times in a row [EPIC] VIP Member [EPIC] Contributor [COMMON] B&U staff member [RARE] Hacks staff member [RARE] Tours staff member [RARE] Forum staff member [RARE] Best Hacks Moderator of the month [RARE] GodLike Tournament Member [LEGENDARY] Best Tours mod of the month 5 times in a row [LEGENDARY] Tournaments Contribution [RARE] DotA 5v5 Tournament Winner [EPIC] Pudge Wars Tournament Winner [RARE]
    • View Profile
    • Awards
Re: Stealing my rights
« Reply #14 on: June 02, 2020, 19:28 »
He is in the Patreon Group due his Donaton.
You are Returned to VIP due your previous Ladder Rank.

Try avoiding Blackmail like:
Put me back in the groups but don't put the status under my name if that guy is still there, i still respect my principles.
In the VIP Group there are [Were before i removed them] many Ban Avoiders,Game Ruiners and Flamers,as well as people who abbandoned server[Previous Permanent VIP] when the situation was bad. But there are some rule breakers with a VIP Banner above their names , so we all have to make some tolerance displays to keep whatever peace we can.
« Last Edit: June 02, 2020, 19:33 by Jimmy »