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New PSR formula is live from today (30.9.2019)
« on: September 30, 2019, 16:30 »
Changes are the following..

If player's rating (PSR) is lower than his team's average:
- in case of victory player gains more PSR
- in case of defeat player loses less PSR

If player's rating (PSR) is higher than his team's average:
- in case of victory player gains less PSR
- in case of defeat player loses more PSR

In equally balanced games you gain same amount as PSR as you lose.

Positive and negative feedback is welcome. Also let us know if you see any anomalies in PSR gain/lose and !rall anomalies.

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Re: New PSR formula is live from today (30.9.2019)
« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2019, 16:48 »
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Re: New PSR formula is live from today (30.9.2019)
« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2019, 18:30 »
it is so bad for me i always gain +1 but lose -5 when i lose

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Re: New PSR formula is live from today (30.9.2019)
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2019, 18:43 »
it is so bad for me i always gain +1 but lose -5 when i lose
It would seem that Highly Ranked players will suffer more from it.

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Re: New PSR formula is live from today (30.9.2019)
« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2019, 18:48 »
I don't know how dedicated people are when it comes to trolling, this system allows people to snipe high ranked players with average Joe accounts. I used to do that on some communities, it's not fun for top 10 players at all...

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Re: New PSR formula is live from today (30.9.2019)
« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2019, 18:55 »
I don't know how dedicated people are when it comes to trolling, this system allows people to snipe high ranked players with average Joe accounts. I used to do that on some communities, it's not fun for top 10 players at all...
But it is fun for the other 35000 players playing here
« Last Edit: September 30, 2019, 19:53 by Jimmy »

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Re: New PSR formula is live from today (30.9.2019)
« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2019, 19:09 »
Notice: stats are saved in db with old formula still. It just means what you see in game is new stuff but stats page saves old stuff. Working on a fix.

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Re: New PSR formula is live from today (30.9.2019)
« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2019, 19:39 »
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Re: New PSR formula is live from today (30.9.2019)
« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2019, 20:22 »
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Re: New PSR formula is live from today (30.9.2019)
« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2019, 20:40 »
This is a mid season adjustment so it's not ideal due to bigger differences already present. We will watch closely and can also revert until the next season if necessary.

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Re: New PSR formula is live from today (30.9.2019)
« Reply #10 on: September 30, 2019, 21:28 »
Nice changes but there will be some discrimination for TOP players ...
But okej ..
For me that's new challenge .. :)
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Re: New PSR formula is live from today (30.9.2019)
« Reply #11 on: September 30, 2019, 21:38 »
Nice changes but there will be some discrimination for TOP players ...
But okej ..
For me that's new challenge .. :)

it doesn´t concern u then

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Re: New PSR formula is live from today (30.9.2019)
« Reply #12 on: October 01, 2019, 20:30 »
Guard bug fixed, stats are now correctly saved by new formula

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Re: New PSR formula is live from today (30.9.2019)
« Reply #13 on: October 03, 2019, 21:06 »
 :/: :/:
1. It decreases the range (variety) of psr. Top players will earn psr slower and bottom players will earn psr faster. Less players 1700+ and 1500-, most 1550-1650

2. Very unfair for top players. It was already hard to earn psr after a point, now its drastically more difficult. As a result most top players will reach a pooint where they wont get psr and there will be no progress. Super boring if you are stack in 1750 for 2 months always +2/-5 cause u need to have at least 72% win ratio in order to earn psr.

3. If you want to play early in the morning (me) when all players 1400-1500  it is +1/-4, +1/-5,  so u need over 75% win ratio. As a result you end up loosing psr. The only solution is to change account if you want to play in the morning which is very annoying. The system already forced me to en up loosing psr when very low games but now its drastically harder.

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Re: New PSR formula is live from today (30.9.2019)
« Reply #14 on: October 03, 2019, 23:21 »
:/: :/:
1. It decreases the range (variety) of psr. Top players will earn psr slower and bottom players will earn psr faster. Less players 1700+ and 1500-, most 1550-1650

2. Very unfair for top players. It was already hard to earn psr after a point, now its drastically more difficult. As a result most top players will reach a pooint where they wont get psr and there will be no progress. Super boring if you are stack in 1750 for 2 months always +2/-5 cause u need to have at least 72% win ratio in order to earn psr.

3. If you want to play early in the morning (me) when all players 1400-1500  it is +1/-4, +1/-5,  so u need over 75% win ratio. As a result you end up loosing psr. The only solution is to change account if you want to play in the morning which is very annoying. The system already forced me to en up loosing psr when very low games but now its drastically harder.
#1 is probably a good thing, but after new season.

I partially agree with you on #2 and #3. I was having an idea a few days ago to cap all +1/+2 losses to match the gains (so max you can lose in +1 and +2 is -1 and -2). Or, alternatively, to cap the ratio of win/lose at low gains at max x2 (loss can't be more than 2 of gain). But this would have to be debated first and new season might eliminate this problem alltogther.