I was thinking about your idea, and tryed looking at (K+A)/D as a possible factor to judge players.Lets see some examples from the games you provided. BTW im not judging those games you had 1400 players in your team because they can't be taken seriously.So lets start with: http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=6049903your team:nocturnal- has 3.7 diurnal- has 3.7 nakedwather has 3.3 jeandarc has 2.6dunja has 2.4other team:propaganda has 5.5 simonster has 3.7 strategy has 2.8 zla_dobrila has 2.7anti-brain has 2.5 1. This puts you on 8th place in this game considering this factor. Do you believe these 7 players are better than you?2. This factor is to be taken with the fact, that people with less games will have higher average than people with more games (propaganda has only 30 games played) - this brings up no33. Imagine someone create new account and have this factor of 20 or higher after 1-2 games, how can it be taken into balance or even considered his average, when it can drop by double digits first game he feeds.moving into another game: http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=6049861your team:[bloodthirst] has 3.3tihulu has 2.6jeandarc has 2.6marihuana024 has 2.4marian-pl has 2.3other team:verybadperson has 3.5hlr.sap has 2.9^propalica^ has 2.8[ne-ko] has 2.5sevs has 2Your place in this game was 5th or 6th, which would mean half of the players in this game were better/equal with you.Judging those 2 games by kills/deaths/assists as you suggested would mean you were among lower players in these 2 games.I don't think you are among lower players in this games having played with you many times, and I am sure you don't consider yourself lower as well.To conclude: seeding players like this would probably bring even more imbalanced games where player with newer accounts would be seeded in top spots and that wouldn't be good.PS: I consider you are not trolling with this topic, so if you have any better suggestions or ideas regarding this I would gladly listen to them.
wow i just saw ths http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?topic=179970.15so im not the only one asking to change the balance system.im just going to quote Akuma's post thereSpoiler for Hiden: Quote from: Akuma on July 06, 2017, 01:16I was thinking about your idea, and tryed looking at (K+A)/D as a possible factor to judge players.Lets see some examples from the games you provided. BTW im not judging those games you had 1400 players in your team because they can't be taken seriously.So lets start with: http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=6049903your team:nocturnal- has 3.7 diurnal- has 3.7 nakedwather has 3.3 jeandarc has 2.6dunja has 2.4other team:propaganda has 5.5 simonster has 3.7 strategy has 2.8 zla_dobrila has 2.7anti-brain has 2.5 1. This puts you on 8th place in this game considering this factor. Do you believe these 7 players are better than you?2. This factor is to be taken with the fact, that people with less games will have higher average than people with more games (propaganda has only 30 games played) - this brings up no33. Imagine someone create new account and have this factor of 20 or higher after 1-2 games, how can it be taken into balance or even considered his average, when it can drop by double digits first game he feeds.moving into another game: http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=6049861your team:[bloodthirst] has 3.3tihulu has 2.6jeandarc has 2.6marihuana024 has 2.4marian-pl has 2.3other team:verybadperson has 3.5hlr.sap has 2.9^propalica^ has 2.8[ne-ko] has 2.5sevs has 2Your place in this game was 5th or 6th, which would mean half of the players in this game were better/equal with you.Judging those 2 games by kills/deaths/assists as you suggested would mean you were among lower players in these 2 games.I don't think you are among lower players in this games having played with you many times, and I am sure you don't consider yourself lower as well.To conclude: seeding players like this would probably bring even more imbalanced games where player with newer accounts would be seeded in top spots and that wouldn't be good.PS: I consider you are not trolling with this topic, so if you have any better suggestions or ideas regarding this I would gladly listen to them.im quoting myself nowfatality- 1941 1947 303 72% 27% 13.8 6.2 12 2.2 2 4.2 lazy_clown 1681 1681 89 78% 21% 7.9 3.8 13.1 2.1 3.4 5.5its pretty much obvios whos better player from the 2 of them but lazy_clown has higher (K+A)/D which would cause again unbalance.i suggested to take under consideration only k/d even that assist are important but as u can see they can fuck up whole thing.as for the number of games u are right but it can be fixed. every new player will have 1 or 1.5 default k/d ratio until he reach 10 games and then system will count from there and on. that will prevent players from having 20 k/d ratio after first or second game.i insist this should be taken under consideration but seems like Cen its to bussy to check it. @Astaroth your opinion :p
To conclude: seeding players like this would probably bring even more imbalanced games where player with newer accounts would be seeded in top spots and that wouldn't be good.
I was confused with this, and it was not only once, but it happens from time to time to /w wrong bot. If it was changed to la-custom or custom-la everyone would understand why is like that. But like this you must to read on forum to understand, even if you don't understand..
Quote from: i_like_dat on March 31, 2018, 02:34wow i just saw ths http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?topic=179970.15so im not the only one asking to change the balance system.im just going to quote Akuma's post thereSpoiler for Hiden: Quote from: Akuma on July 06, 2017, 01:16I was thinking about your idea, and tryed looking at (K+A)/D as a possible factor to judge players.Lets see some examples from the games you provided. BTW im not judging those games you had 1400 players in your team because they can't be taken seriously.So lets start with: http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=6049903your team:nocturnal- has 3.7 diurnal- has 3.7 nakedwather has 3.3 jeandarc has 2.6dunja has 2.4other team:propaganda has 5.5 simonster has 3.7 strategy has 2.8 zla_dobrila has 2.7anti-brain has 2.5 1. This puts you on 8th place in this game considering this factor. Do you believe these 7 players are better than you?2. This factor is to be taken with the fact, that people with less games will have higher average than people with more games (propaganda has only 30 games played) - this brings up no33. Imagine someone create new account and have this factor of 20 or higher after 1-2 games, how can it be taken into balance or even considered his average, when it can drop by double digits first game he feeds.moving into another game: http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=6049861your team:[bloodthirst] has 3.3tihulu has 2.6jeandarc has 2.6marihuana024 has 2.4marian-pl has 2.3other team:verybadperson has 3.5hlr.sap has 2.9^propalica^ has 2.8[ne-ko] has 2.5sevs has 2Your place in this game was 5th or 6th, which would mean half of the players in this game were better/equal with you.Judging those 2 games by kills/deaths/assists as you suggested would mean you were among lower players in these 2 games.I don't think you are among lower players in this games having played with you many times, and I am sure you don't consider yourself lower as well.To conclude: seeding players like this would probably bring even more imbalanced games where player with newer accounts would be seeded in top spots and that wouldn't be good.PS: I consider you are not trolling with this topic, so if you have any better suggestions or ideas regarding this I would gladly listen to them.im quoting myself nowfatality- 1941 1947 303 72% 27% 13.8 6.2 12 2.2 2 4.2 lazy_clown 1681 1681 89 78% 21% 7.9 3.8 13.1 2.1 3.4 5.5its pretty much obvios whos better player from the 2 of them but lazy_clown has higher (K+A)/D which would cause again unbalance.i suggested to take under consideration only k/d even that assist are important but as u can see they can fuck up whole thing.as for the number of games u are right but it can be fixed. every new player will have 1 or 1.5 default k/d ratio until he reach 10 games and then system will count from there and on. that will prevent players from having 20 k/d ratio after first or second game.i insist this should be taken under consideration but seems like Cen its to bussy to check it. @Astaroth your opinion :pYes, we already discussed that, but you can't take assists out of equation - nobody would want to play support hero, everyone would pick shitty heroes that can easily gain many kills, and those who would play support would end up with shitty k/d, and kicked from games because of that... Also there would be much more rage about "stealing" kills, etc. Can't work without assists in equation. Also my post on that thread proved how KDA can place good player behind 8 other players, where surely not all 8 of them were actually better players.And yeah Cen is busy with new map, this is to be discussed until then.
Quote from: Akuma on March 31, 2018, 03:25Quote from: i_like_dat on March 31, 2018, 02:34wow i just saw ths http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?topic=179970.15so im not the only one asking to change the balance system.im just going to quote Akuma's post thereSpoiler for Hiden: Quote from: Akuma on July 06, 2017, 01:16I was thinking about your idea, and tryed looking at (K+A)/D as a possible factor to judge players.Lets see some examples from the games you provided. BTW im not judging those games you had 1400 players in your team because they can't be taken seriously.So lets start with: http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=6049903your team:nocturnal- has 3.7 diurnal- has 3.7 nakedwather has 3.3 jeandarc has 2.6dunja has 2.4other team:propaganda has 5.5 simonster has 3.7 strategy has 2.8 zla_dobrila has 2.7anti-brain has 2.5 1. This puts you on 8th place in this game considering this factor. Do you believe these 7 players are better than you?2. This factor is to be taken with the fact, that people with less games will have higher average than people with more games (propaganda has only 30 games played) - this brings up no33. Imagine someone create new account and have this factor of 20 or higher after 1-2 games, how can it be taken into balance or even considered his average, when it can drop by double digits first game he feeds.moving into another game: http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=6049861your team:[bloodthirst] has 3.3tihulu has 2.6jeandarc has 2.6marihuana024 has 2.4marian-pl has 2.3other team:verybadperson has 3.5hlr.sap has 2.9^propalica^ has 2.8[ne-ko] has 2.5sevs has 2Your place in this game was 5th or 6th, which would mean half of the players in this game were better/equal with you.Judging those 2 games by kills/deaths/assists as you suggested would mean you were among lower players in these 2 games.I don't think you are among lower players in this games having played with you many times, and I am sure you don't consider yourself lower as well.To conclude: seeding players like this would probably bring even more imbalanced games where player with newer accounts would be seeded in top spots and that wouldn't be good.PS: I consider you are not trolling with this topic, so if you have any better suggestions or ideas regarding this I would gladly listen to them.im quoting myself nowfatality- 1941 1947 303 72% 27% 13.8 6.2 12 2.2 2 4.2 lazy_clown 1681 1681 89 78% 21% 7.9 3.8 13.1 2.1 3.4 5.5its pretty much obvios whos better player from the 2 of them but lazy_clown has higher (K+A)/D which would cause again unbalance.i suggested to take under consideration only k/d even that assist are important but as u can see they can fuck up whole thing.as for the number of games u are right but it can be fixed. every new player will have 1 or 1.5 default k/d ratio until he reach 10 games and then system will count from there and on. that will prevent players from having 20 k/d ratio after first or second game.i insist this should be taken under consideration but seems like Cen its to bussy to check it. @Astaroth your opinion :pYes, we already discussed that, but you can't take assists out of equation - nobody would want to play support hero, everyone would pick shitty heroes that can easily gain many kills, and those who would play support would end up with shitty k/d, and kicked from games because of that... Also there would be much more rage about "stealing" kills, etc. Can't work without assists in equation. Also my post on that thread proved how KDA can place good player behind 8 other players, where surely not all 8 of them were actually better players.And yeah Cen is busy with new map, this is to be discussed until then.even now nobody cares about supporting the team lol,its not that things are good and after that are going to be worse after that do u play on the server or not?most of the mode played is ap and there noone picks support,even the most noob on server. your argument is pretty much invalid under this circumstances. imo that change or something similar should be done asap.
Spoiler for Hiden: Quote from: i_like_dat on March 31, 2018, 03:33Quote from: Akuma on March 31, 2018, 03:25Quote from: i_like_dat on March 31, 2018, 02:34wow i just saw ths http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?topic=179970.15so im not the only one asking to change the balance system.im just going to quote Akuma's post thereSpoiler for Hiden: Quote from: Akuma on July 06, 2017, 01:16I was thinking about your idea, and tryed looking at (K+A)/D as a possible factor to judge players.Lets see some examples from the games you provided. BTW im not judging those games you had 1400 players in your team because they can't be taken seriously.So lets start with: http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=6049903your team:nocturnal- has 3.7 diurnal- has 3.7 nakedwather has 3.3 jeandarc has 2.6dunja has 2.4other team:propaganda has 5.5 simonster has 3.7 strategy has 2.8 zla_dobrila has 2.7anti-brain has 2.5 1. This puts you on 8th place in this game considering this factor. Do you believe these 7 players are better than you?2. This factor is to be taken with the fact, that people with less games will have higher average than people with more games (propaganda has only 30 games played) - this brings up no33. Imagine someone create new account and have this factor of 20 or higher after 1-2 games, how can it be taken into balance or even considered his average, when it can drop by double digits first game he feeds.moving into another game: http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=6049861your team:[bloodthirst] has 3.3tihulu has 2.6jeandarc has 2.6marihuana024 has 2.4marian-pl has 2.3other team:verybadperson has 3.5hlr.sap has 2.9^propalica^ has 2.8[ne-ko] has 2.5sevs has 2Your place in this game was 5th or 6th, which would mean half of the players in this game were better/equal with you.Judging those 2 games by kills/deaths/assists as you suggested would mean you were among lower players in these 2 games.I don't think you are among lower players in this games having played with you many times, and I am sure you don't consider yourself lower as well.To conclude: seeding players like this would probably bring even more imbalanced games where player with newer accounts would be seeded in top spots and that wouldn't be good.PS: I consider you are not trolling with this topic, so if you have any better suggestions or ideas regarding this I would gladly listen to them.im quoting myself nowfatality- 1941 1947 303 72% 27% 13.8 6.2 12 2.2 2 4.2 lazy_clown 1681 1681 89 78% 21% 7.9 3.8 13.1 2.1 3.4 5.5its pretty much obvios whos better player from the 2 of them but lazy_clown has higher (K+A)/D which would cause again unbalance.i suggested to take under consideration only k/d even that assist are important but as u can see they can fuck up whole thing.as for the number of games u are right but it can be fixed. every new player will have 1 or 1.5 default k/d ratio until he reach 10 games and then system will count from there and on. that will prevent players from having 20 k/d ratio after first or second game.i insist this should be taken under consideration but seems like Cen its to bussy to check it. @Astaroth your opinion :pYes, we already discussed that, but you can't take assists out of equation - nobody would want to play support hero, everyone would pick shitty heroes that can easily gain many kills, and those who would play support would end up with shitty k/d, and kicked from games because of that... Also there would be much more rage about "stealing" kills, etc. Can't work without assists in equation. Also my post on that thread proved how KDA can place good player behind 8 other players, where surely not all 8 of them were actually better players.And yeah Cen is busy with new map, this is to be discussed until then.even now nobody cares about supporting the team lol,its not that things are good and after that are going to be worse after that do u play on the server or not?most of the mode played is ap and there noone picks support,even the most noob on server. your argument is pretty much invalid under this circumstances. imo that change or something similar should be done asap.Its not true, there are people who care. I know you are right and that MANY players would rather pick slark/tiny/alch, but there are those who play other heroes as well.Yes I play, and I random in AP (playing hero I get), @Alone_MonaX does this as well, many others do this, and play support heroes too.Even by checking your profile I can see that you sometimes play support heroes like dazzle/warlock etc. But would you play these heroes if Kills were the only thing that mattered?