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MANY SPOILERS AHEAD, BE WARNEDThe main mistake of all, which is the root of many others: it targeted the wrong genre and the wrong audience. This shouldn’t have been tailored as a fast paced action movie, but a more well paced fantasy movie. It should be less like Pacific Rim and more like Lord of the Rings. I mean this as someone who enjoys good action movies. It’s just that this world and this story asked for something else. This, more than anything, hurt the movie.There’s an interesting rich world to develop. There’s a war going on. But, mainly, there’s a powerful story to be told. Focus on the story, let the war be its stage, and the world develop naturally in the background, in the story’s pace. That’s the Lotr’s way.The movie jumps too much, moves too much. There’s no time to breath, to soak things in. It kills our immersion, awe, investment. Powerful key moments are rushed, heart-breaking scenes are made shallow. Some of the best moments in the movie are those in which it slows down a bit and take the time to develop good dialogue. It’s a pity these are only here and there, and sometimes diminished by poorly written lines. Too much was sacrificed for upbeat action, disrupting fan-service, trying to set up a franchise. Again: why not focus on telling a really good story? The rest would come as a consequence.They took a very promising source material (the story of the book “The Last Guardian”) and underdeveloped it. Let me point out some of the missed opportunities:-Medivh’s storyline:His almost godlike stand in the human world, his secret researches and explorations, him falling under his curiosity and hubris, him being actually manipulated and used, his ultimate dramatic demise under the hands of his dear friends, whom he betrayed. There’s a lot of Faust in his story. It’s powerful, archetypic, relatable.Due to his depth and central place in the story as a whole, he should’ve been the main focus of the movie. We should, throughout the movie, be watching his pov, his lonely activities. His researches, discoveries, temptations, struggles, slow descent into madness.It’s crazy how much potential there is here. Almost entirely wasted.-Durotan’s outcome:Many mistakes were made on the horde storyline and one of them is his demise. His awkward duel served as a way to both highlight Gul’dan and familiarize viewers with the mak’gora (anticipating Blackhand’s “climatic” ending). It’s a poor tradeoff. The original scene was much more powerful, as a mighty honorable warrior gets suddenly and cowardly assassinated by a group of orcs, secretly under Gul’dan’s orders. It’s a kick in the guts, GoT style. His death could not only be heartbreaking, but also revolting, bitter.The duel took Gul’dan out of his character, made the orcish horde look weak and stupid, and put Orgrim’s storyline in a very weird place for the future. A poor tradeoff indeed.The thing about Gul’dan is that he’d work much better as a less exposed character. His moment of publicly show his true colors is in the second war, in a dramatic turn of events.He is creepy enough and does enough in this story to make him very repellent and suspect. He shouldn’t be detached as the obvious villain, but be there in the crowd as the dark sorcerer who is both suspected and feared by the common orc; as a skilled manipulator actually pulling the strings behind the scenes. (He would also appear in a properly developed Medivh’s storyline)He was overfocused, in part, because the movie tries to justify and validate orcish bloodlust, and so it falls to Gul’dan to take the position of the one ruining their world and their ways. That’s quite a distortion. It is the brutal and wicked orcish culture that is bringing their doom.Orcs are ruthless conquerors, destroying and ruining everything in their path, with no regards for others races (or for the “weak” ones in their midst, either). They’re also race supremacists. Gul’dan is merely using their passions to manipulate them into his own (demonic-driven) agenda.In the future, what Thrall (Durotan’s son, who’ll be raised by humans) will do is reshape the Horde from this madness to a wiser version that retains their warrior-like virtues, but now respecting other civilizations and actually accepting other races into the Horde as one big family.-Lothar’s grief:He didn’t have a chance to properly have a meaningful grief moment! His moment of losing his own only son was torn between the heat of a battle and getting his thing going with Garona. What a wasted chance! Why didn’t the movie take the time to have a scene such as Théoden’s in the Two Towers? This is just a simple example. Everything was so rushed to make the action wheel keep spinning.A simple, but important point: it wasn’t entirely clear how the other human kingdoms, and dwarves and elves, refused to make an alliance against the orcish horde. It was there, but it wasn’t meaningful, it wasn’t highlighted. It was rushed between the action.Just as showing (and not excusing) the ugly side of the orcish side is important to later build up what the new Horde is, it’s important to highlight the selfishness, arrogance, bellicosity and old hatreds that run among the races of Azeroth, as this builds up what the formation of the Alliance is. The movie wasted the chance to have a longer and more interesting council of azerothian races, in which Llane is left, in the end, alone to defend Stormwind against the invasors.To give proper closure to this human arc, Stormwind should, by the end of the movie, be sacked and burned, in a powerful scene. And a devastated but decided Lothar would be seen leading the survivors north (where they would finally work their differences and form the Alliance).This is a great, heartbreaking, bittersweet movie ending. But can we have that in a shallow action movie? No way, sir.In this, as in many other things, the movie chose a low, safe and repetitive route, instead of greatness.-Garona:Let me bring a counter-example here, a change that (maybe) actually have worked better. Her character was well developed (for this movie standard ofc) in a number of scenes. They decided to take a different route with her. In the original she also befriends humans. But in her past she’s not only cursed and bullied by the orcish society, she’s also tortured and broken into a puppet by Gul’dan. So he orders her to assassinate King Llane and she does that without his asking or expecting. She’s a broken person, a suffering and twisted soul. It’s a brutal assassination, and would be an impacting scene (very GoT).But, while the original was really good, the choice they made here, unlike most others, is an interesting tradeoff. Everyone thinks she cowardly backstabbed him, but she only followed his orders. This highlights Llane’s great spirit of nobility and sacrifice, while also keeping a dramatic misunderstanding. You lose something great, a brutal betrayal, but gains something also great, sacrifice and misunderstanding (making way for future painful events and catharsis).It’s a pity that even this interesting turn of events doesn’t get the development it deserves. Everything is so rushed, the grief scenes are a bit shallow and the dialogue (between Lothar and Khadgar regarding the event) is awkward.Not only that. There were other good original ideas (such as Gul’dan intervening in Thrall’s birth; Taria giving Garona the fateful dagger; Medivh’s dying effort to save his king; among others). It’s a pity the movie as a whole wasn’t structured as it should have been. They missed A LOT of potential and even their successes were badly hurt.There are many other mistakes in the movie, I just highlighted some that point at the story’s potential. If well developed, this would have been an incredibly good movie.Just to be clear: the movie isn’t as bad as the critics are painting it. And many of the critics made out there are ridiculous, full of prejudice, when not completely laughable. From a technical point of view, it was really successful (CGI etc). The cast did a good job, especially considering they were working with a bad script. The movie didn’t live fully to its potential, but it wasn’t a total waste. It was enjoyable at times, it had its good moments.This was Duncan’s first major mistake. He’s clearly a very talented director. It seems to me that he was very ill-advised by producers/market team, who wanted to “reach the general public”. What a misfire. Focus on making a great movie and you’ll reach the general public. Nothing reaches people better than a good (and relatable) story.
QuoteThis was Duncan’s first major mistake. He’s clearly a very talented director. It seems to me that he was very ill-advised by producers/market team, who wanted to “reach the general public”. What a misfire. Focus on making a great movie and you’ll reach the general public. Nothing reaches people better than a good (and relatable) story.
This was Duncan’s first major mistake. He’s clearly a very talented director. It seems to me that he was very ill-advised by producers/market team, who wanted to “reach the general public”. What a misfire. Focus on making a great movie and you’ll reach the general public. Nothing reaches people better than a good (and relatable) story.
On the contrary, I hope we get more movies. Now that the basic characters and story are set up they can focus on more important things and actually make a better movie. Setting up a world is always the hardest thing.
QuoteThe most important thing wasn't said - why did orcs attacked Azeroth. Yes, their world is dyingI think you missed to read that part from the movie. It has been told something like "they are conquers of the worlds", so when they have killed everything on some world, they are going to another.
The most important thing wasn't said - why did orcs attacked Azeroth. Yes, their world is dying
Quote from: cen on June 10, 2016, 13:22On the contrary, I hope we get more movies. Now that the basic characters and story are set up they can focus on more important things and actually make a better movie. Setting up a world is always the hardest thing.If they are going to make more movies, they will have to retrospectively explain some things imo.The most important thing wasn't said - why did orcs attacked Azeroth. Yes, their world is dying, ok.But they attacked Azeroth to help the Burning Legion destroy the world as the Legion has failed once already.And there comes more explaning: When did the Legion first attacked? What went on? How did the Legion reached the orcs?Also, they made some changes to the story.Doomhammer killed Blackhand and became new Chieftain of the Hord and finally managed to destroy Stormwind.Now that Blackhand was killed by Lothar, how is Doomhammer gonna become chief? A vote?Doomhammer also destroys Shadow Consil making Gul'dan fall into coma. How is he gonna become the chief?Or maybe I'm just afraid it would end up like GoT show vs Song books...
Doomhammer can't just pwn Gul'dan to become chieftain - Gul'dan has to take Stormreavers to look for Sargeras' tomb making orcs lose the Second War
Didnt read ur spoily comments,jackasses,try using spoiler,have some understanding Just tell me,Is the movie good,worth watching, and what exactly does it covers?
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