Lothar's, as much as I dislike invis stuff, can be usefull. As others mentioned, it provides more than invisibility. Plus it can be upgraded into Silver Edge.Does W3 DotA has this item?Aghanim on Huskar can be good choice. Increases dmg from 35% to 65% and decreases cd to 4 seconds.In W3 DotA the Life Break does 50% w/o Agha, right?Radiance on BS is still good, just won't heal him "permanently".It also will help whole team, as affected heroes has 17% to miss. In DotA 2.And Aghanim for OD? Why not? It places all affected heroes Astral Imprisonment and damages them in D2.Ahh, fuck it. Why am I in this discussion about stuff that was good or bad in old versions?
Quote from: Astaroth on March 21, 2016, 09:17Lothar's, as much as I dislike invis stuff, can be usefull. As others mentioned, it provides more than invisibility. Plus it can be upgraded into Silver Edge.Does W3 DotA has this item?Aghanim on Huskar can be good choice. Increases dmg from 35% to 65% and decreases cd to 4 seconds.In W3 DotA the Life Break does 50% w/o Agha, right?Radiance on BS is still good, just won't heal him "permanently".It also will help whole team, as affected heroes has 17% to miss. In DotA 2.And Aghanim for OD? Why not? It places all affected heroes Astral Imprisonment and damages them in D2.Ahh, fuck it. Why am I in this discussion about stuff that was good or bad in old versions?
More easy it would be to understand the Morse code than this guys English !
i see commy's mom in the voting options, i vote.
Why are u even discussion obvious stuff, cant u realize that this guy's brain has been absubed by using mhThere is no rule book in dota, items and skill build should be done according to the situation u are in most of the time.
Quote from: dotADRENALiNE on March 20, 2016, 20:09Basically a thread with the most retarded/random pub builds which work in like only one case and fail in 99 other cases.Example:Vladmirs Vanguard Basher Anti-Mage, fuck Battlefury no one needs that.Lothars on any agility carry, even against a Slardar.No Blink Dagger Magnus.Orb Effect Ursa, usually Madness, we don't have that DOTA 2 update here so his swipes are an orb effect, hence why people go for Vladmirs which is a lifesteal aura instead of an orb effect.Aghanims Huskar. No. Just no. Fuck the cooldown decrease, its fucking pointless considering all the good items you can pick.Radiance Bloodseeker. This build is already old, why don't you google up the DOTA 2 builds, Bloodseeker got a remake, you don't have a permanent Blood Bath now.Cliff Jungling Furion and then going MAX Dagon. Really, if you want to have a better time jungling with this hero, I am planning on making a guide for Dota 6.83d and I will release it, might take a month or so, but you will be jungling faster than just TPing on one of the damn cliffs and going afk, eventually getting ganked and calling your teammates retards.Anyone got some other builds that piss them off?Vanguard on AM is good sometimes, since there are moments where blink+3rd spell wont help you survive (versus some physical dmg rapists), and Vanguard makes you very hard to kill at that point. About vlads+vg+basher, well, if you skip the vlads so early, it's decent build. Ofc vlads can be useful also sometimes, so I disagree about this build being ''fail". It's just not effective as bfury, but your team (and your opponents) sometimes wont allow you to farm with 700hp till min ~20.Lothars on any agility carry - Why not? Cause there are items 180/200gold which reveal you? So what? Lothar is mainly used to ''initiate'' a gank, therefore dust won't help them much, which leaves just sentries, which is a problem obviously. But let's look at the good sides of loth: 30% AS (it's not so irrelevant at all), decent escape/chase mechanism, and most important, it makes you unpredictable. You can gank anyone, anywhere. No one on map will feel safe to farm woods/lane while you have lothar, unless they got sentry ward somewhere close, and considering the fact that sentries last just few minutes, it's a big pain in the ass for the opponent if some mid-game agility rapist takes fast lothar (SF for instance). So, lothar is not a fail on a carry. Problem is that pubbers just cant use it properly, since they think it makes em immortal.No dagger Magnus - Obviously you never played against some heavy dps'ers like veno/appa/sniper's shrapnel/zeus/etc who disable your dagger easily, and make you useless running-around cunt who cant use ulti properly. As commy mentioned, sometimes auras n stuff can help you alot instead of simple dagger, and ofc you shouldnt forget the force staff. So, in like 80% of games dagger is good choice, but sometimes it is just better to get smth else.About ursa, as far as I know, swipes are no longer orb effect. Madness ain't working with ulti tho, but other orbs should work just fine I think, correct me if i'm wrong, since I didn't play ursa for a while.Radi BS and scepter Husk - well, it is true that there are usually better items, but depends on game.Cliff jungling Furion is decent. Why? Cause you farm without wasting ANY mana/hp. Which makes you always ready for a gank. Also, you are taking just one camp, so it leaves space for your teammates if they want to do smth in woods (stack, farm, pull). About you being gankable, well, you always have 2 cliffs, where the Sentinel one requires a bit more "skill" for proper farming. About maxing dagon, well, fail 97% of time Therefore, almost everything you mentioned isn't so bad actually, there are often better solutions, but you can't say this is some huge fail. I'll tell you some huge fails:- PL/AM or pretty much every agi hero, going first item vladimirs- Slardar (or some other similar hero) going dagger without boots or anything- Rushing radiance without boots, or anything - Alche midas- Obsi scepter- Lich/CM arcaneAnd much more... ofc even some of these i've mentioned can be good in some games, like lich arcane for team if really needed, or rushing radiance if your team tactics rely on it.. everything in this game is optional, and any item can do decent, if used properly. Except fckin midas alche, it's damn 3 creeps with his passive But well, it can be used for some nice exp burst (usage on high-lvl neutrals), so... Everything is optional, and hugely depends on opponents/teammates/game itself
Basically a thread with the most retarded/random pub builds which work in like only one case and fail in 99 other cases.Example:Vladmirs Vanguard Basher Anti-Mage, fuck Battlefury no one needs that.Lothars on any agility carry, even against a Slardar.No Blink Dagger Magnus.Orb Effect Ursa, usually Madness, we don't have that DOTA 2 update here so his swipes are an orb effect, hence why people go for Vladmirs which is a lifesteal aura instead of an orb effect.Aghanims Huskar. No. Just no. Fuck the cooldown decrease, its fucking pointless considering all the good items you can pick.Radiance Bloodseeker. This build is already old, why don't you google up the DOTA 2 builds, Bloodseeker got a remake, you don't have a permanent Blood Bath now.Cliff Jungling Furion and then going MAX Dagon. Really, if you want to have a better time jungling with this hero, I am planning on making a guide for Dota 6.83d and I will release it, might take a month or so, but you will be jungling faster than just TPing on one of the damn cliffs and going afk, eventually getting ganked and calling your teammates retards.Anyone got some other builds that piss them off?
Spoiler for Hiden: Quote from: NiGhT^^StAlKeR on March 21, 2016, 01:28Quote from: dotADRENALiNE on March 20, 2016, 20:09Basically a thread with the most retarded/random pub builds which work in like only one case and fail in 99 other cases.Example:Vladmirs Vanguard Basher Anti-Mage, fuck Battlefury no one needs that.Lothars on any agility carry, even against a Slardar.No Blink Dagger Magnus.Orb Effect Ursa, usually Madness, we don't have that DOTA 2 update here so his swipes are an orb effect, hence why people go for Vladmirs which is a lifesteal aura instead of an orb effect.Aghanims Huskar. No. Just no. Fuck the cooldown decrease, its fucking pointless considering all the good items you can pick.Radiance Bloodseeker. This build is already old, why don't you google up the DOTA 2 builds, Bloodseeker got a remake, you don't have a permanent Blood Bath now.Cliff Jungling Furion and then going MAX Dagon. Really, if you want to have a better time jungling with this hero, I am planning on making a guide for Dota 6.83d and I will release it, might take a month or so, but you will be jungling faster than just TPing on one of the damn cliffs and going afk, eventually getting ganked and calling your teammates retards.Anyone got some other builds that piss them off?Vanguard on AM is good sometimes, since there are moments where blink+3rd spell wont help you survive (versus some physical dmg rapists), and Vanguard makes you very hard to kill at that point. About vlads+vg+basher, well, if you skip the vlads so early, it's decent build. Ofc vlads can be useful also sometimes, so I disagree about this build being ''fail". It's just not effective as bfury, but your team (and your opponents) sometimes wont allow you to farm with 700hp till min ~20.Lothars on any agility carry - Why not? Cause there are items 180/200gold which reveal you? So what? Lothar is mainly used to ''initiate'' a gank, therefore dust won't help them much, which leaves just sentries, which is a problem obviously. But let's look at the good sides of loth: 30% AS (it's not so irrelevant at all), decent escape/chase mechanism, and most important, it makes you unpredictable. You can gank anyone, anywhere. No one on map will feel safe to farm woods/lane while you have lothar, unless they got sentry ward somewhere close, and considering the fact that sentries last just few minutes, it's a big pain in the ass for the opponent if some mid-game agility rapist takes fast lothar (SF for instance). So, lothar is not a fail on a carry. Problem is that pubbers just cant use it properly, since they think it makes em immortal.No dagger Magnus - Obviously you never played against some heavy dps'ers like veno/appa/sniper's shrapnel/zeus/etc who disable your dagger easily, and make you useless running-around cunt who cant use ulti properly. As commy mentioned, sometimes auras n stuff can help you alot instead of simple dagger, and ofc you shouldnt forget the force staff. So, in like 80% of games dagger is good choice, but sometimes it is just better to get smth else.About ursa, as far as I know, swipes are no longer orb effect. Madness ain't working with ulti tho, but other orbs should work just fine I think, correct me if i'm wrong, since I didn't play ursa for a while.Radi BS and scepter Husk - well, it is true that there are usually better items, but depends on game.Cliff jungling Furion is decent. Why? Cause you farm without wasting ANY mana/hp. Which makes you always ready for a gank. Also, you are taking just one camp, so it leaves space for your teammates if they want to do smth in woods (stack, farm, pull). About you being gankable, well, you always have 2 cliffs, where the Sentinel one requires a bit more "skill" for proper farming. About maxing dagon, well, fail 97% of time Therefore, almost everything you mentioned isn't so bad actually, there are often better solutions, but you can't say this is some huge fail. I'll tell you some huge fails:- PL/AM or pretty much every agi hero, going first item vladimirs- Slardar (or some other similar hero) going dagger without boots or anything- Rushing radiance without boots, or anything - Alche midas- Obsi scepter- Lich/CM arcaneAnd much more... ofc even some of these i've mentioned can be good in some games, like lich arcane for team if really needed, or rushing radiance if your team tactics rely on it.. everything in this game is optional, and any item can do decent, if used properly. Except fckin midas alche, it's damn 3 creeps with his passive But well, it can be used for some nice exp burst (usage on high-lvl neutrals), so... Everything is optional, and hugely depends on opponents/teammates/game itselfHow often do you see people pick supports and actually support in pubs instead of farming like a late game hard carry and then just throwing an ultimate with an aghanims/orchid ?
Quote from: dotADRENALiNE on March 21, 2016, 11:31Spoiler for Hiden: Quote from: NiGhT^^StAlKeR on March 21, 2016, 01:28Quote from: dotADRENALiNE on March 20, 2016, 20:09Basically a thread with the most retarded/random pub builds which work in like only one case and fail in 99 other cases.Example:Vladmirs Vanguard Basher Anti-Mage, fuck Battlefury no one needs that.Lothars on any agility carry, even against a Slardar.No Blink Dagger Magnus.Orb Effect Ursa, usually Madness, we don't have that DOTA 2 update here so his swipes are an orb effect, hence why people go for Vladmirs which is a lifesteal aura instead of an orb effect.Aghanims Huskar. No. Just no. Fuck the cooldown decrease, its fucking pointless considering all the good items you can pick.Radiance Bloodseeker. This build is already old, why don't you google up the DOTA 2 builds, Bloodseeker got a remake, you don't have a permanent Blood Bath now.Cliff Jungling Furion and then going MAX Dagon. Really, if you want to have a better time jungling with this hero, I am planning on making a guide for Dota 6.83d and I will release it, might take a month or so, but you will be jungling faster than just TPing on one of the damn cliffs and going afk, eventually getting ganked and calling your teammates retards.Anyone got some other builds that piss them off?Vanguard on AM is good sometimes, since there are moments where blink+3rd spell wont help you survive (versus some physical dmg rapists), and Vanguard makes you very hard to kill at that point. About vlads+vg+basher, well, if you skip the vlads so early, it's decent build. Ofc vlads can be useful also sometimes, so I disagree about this build being ''fail". It's just not effective as bfury, but your team (and your opponents) sometimes wont allow you to farm with 700hp till min ~20.Lothars on any agility carry - Why not? Cause there are items 180/200gold which reveal you? So what? Lothar is mainly used to ''initiate'' a gank, therefore dust won't help them much, which leaves just sentries, which is a problem obviously. But let's look at the good sides of loth: 30% AS (it's not so irrelevant at all), decent escape/chase mechanism, and most important, it makes you unpredictable. You can gank anyone, anywhere. No one on map will feel safe to farm woods/lane while you have lothar, unless they got sentry ward somewhere close, and considering the fact that sentries last just few minutes, it's a big pain in the ass for the opponent if some mid-game agility rapist takes fast lothar (SF for instance). So, lothar is not a fail on a carry. Problem is that pubbers just cant use it properly, since they think it makes em immortal.No dagger Magnus - Obviously you never played against some heavy dps'ers like veno/appa/sniper's shrapnel/zeus/etc who disable your dagger easily, and make you useless running-around cunt who cant use ulti properly. As commy mentioned, sometimes auras n stuff can help you alot instead of simple dagger, and ofc you shouldnt forget the force staff. So, in like 80% of games dagger is good choice, but sometimes it is just better to get smth else.About ursa, as far as I know, swipes are no longer orb effect. Madness ain't working with ulti tho, but other orbs should work just fine I think, correct me if i'm wrong, since I didn't play ursa for a while.Radi BS and scepter Husk - well, it is true that there are usually better items, but depends on game.Cliff jungling Furion is decent. Why? Cause you farm without wasting ANY mana/hp. Which makes you always ready for a gank. Also, you are taking just one camp, so it leaves space for your teammates if they want to do smth in woods (stack, farm, pull). About you being gankable, well, you always have 2 cliffs, where the Sentinel one requires a bit more "skill" for proper farming. About maxing dagon, well, fail 97% of time Therefore, almost everything you mentioned isn't so bad actually, there are often better solutions, but you can't say this is some huge fail. I'll tell you some huge fails:- PL/AM or pretty much every agi hero, going first item vladimirs- Slardar (or some other similar hero) going dagger without boots or anything- Rushing radiance without boots, or anything - Alche midas- Obsi scepter- Lich/CM arcaneAnd much more... ofc even some of these i've mentioned can be good in some games, like lich arcane for team if really needed, or rushing radiance if your team tactics rely on it.. everything in this game is optional, and any item can do decent, if used properly. Except fckin midas alche, it's damn 3 creeps with his passive But well, it can be used for some nice exp burst (usage on high-lvl neutrals), so... Everything is optional, and hugely depends on opponents/teammates/game itselfHow often do you see people pick supports and actually support in pubs instead of farming like a late game hard carry and then just throwing an ultimate with an aghanims/orchid ?Every game.-Tidehunter Vanguard - the dream.-PA Buriza-Nerub Assassin with dagon 5 and arcane boots, nothing else - I mean, it can work, but fails 90% of the time.-Gyrocopter Lothar+Arcane boots+Aghanim's Scepter / maxing homing missile firstEDIT: spoiler
Quote from: Asandir on March 21, 2016, 11:38Quote from: dotADRENALiNE on March 21, 2016, 11:31Spoiler for Hiden: Quote from: NiGhT^^StAlKeR on March 21, 2016, 01:28Quote from: dotADRENALiNE on March 20, 2016, 20:09Basically a thread with the most retarded/random pub builds which work in like only one case and fail in 99 other cases.Example:Vladmirs Vanguard Basher Anti-Mage, fuck Battlefury no one needs that.Lothars on any agility carry, even against a Slardar.No Blink Dagger Magnus.Orb Effect Ursa, usually Madness, we don't have that DOTA 2 update here so his swipes are an orb effect, hence why people go for Vladmirs which is a lifesteal aura instead of an orb effect.Aghanims Huskar. No. Just no. Fuck the cooldown decrease, its fucking pointless considering all the good items you can pick.Radiance Bloodseeker. This build is already old, why don't you google up the DOTA 2 builds, Bloodseeker got a remake, you don't have a permanent Blood Bath now.Cliff Jungling Furion and then going MAX Dagon. Really, if you want to have a better time jungling with this hero, I am planning on making a guide for Dota 6.83d and I will release it, might take a month or so, but you will be jungling faster than just TPing on one of the damn cliffs and going afk, eventually getting ganked and calling your teammates retards.Anyone got some other builds that piss them off?Vanguard on AM is good sometimes, since there are moments where blink+3rd spell wont help you survive (versus some physical dmg rapists), and Vanguard makes you very hard to kill at that point. About vlads+vg+basher, well, if you skip the vlads so early, it's decent build. Ofc vlads can be useful also sometimes, so I disagree about this build being ''fail". It's just not effective as bfury, but your team (and your opponents) sometimes wont allow you to farm with 700hp till min ~20.Lothars on any agility carry - Why not? Cause there are items 180/200gold which reveal you? So what? Lothar is mainly used to ''initiate'' a gank, therefore dust won't help them much, which leaves just sentries, which is a problem obviously. But let's look at the good sides of loth: 30% AS (it's not so irrelevant at all), decent escape/chase mechanism, and most important, it makes you unpredictable. You can gank anyone, anywhere. No one on map will feel safe to farm woods/lane while you have lothar, unless they got sentry ward somewhere close, and considering the fact that sentries last just few minutes, it's a big pain in the ass for the opponent if some mid-game agility rapist takes fast lothar (SF for instance). So, lothar is not a fail on a carry. Problem is that pubbers just cant use it properly, since they think it makes em immortal.No dagger Magnus - Obviously you never played against some heavy dps'ers like veno/appa/sniper's shrapnel/zeus/etc who disable your dagger easily, and make you useless running-around cunt who cant use ulti properly. As commy mentioned, sometimes auras n stuff can help you alot instead of simple dagger, and ofc you shouldnt forget the force staff. So, in like 80% of games dagger is good choice, but sometimes it is just better to get smth else.About ursa, as far as I know, swipes are no longer orb effect. Madness ain't working with ulti tho, but other orbs should work just fine I think, correct me if i'm wrong, since I didn't play ursa for a while.Radi BS and scepter Husk - well, it is true that there are usually better items, but depends on game.Cliff jungling Furion is decent. Why? Cause you farm without wasting ANY mana/hp. Which makes you always ready for a gank. Also, you are taking just one camp, so it leaves space for your teammates if they want to do smth in woods (stack, farm, pull). About you being gankable, well, you always have 2 cliffs, where the Sentinel one requires a bit more "skill" for proper farming. About maxing dagon, well, fail 97% of time Therefore, almost everything you mentioned isn't so bad actually, there are often better solutions, but you can't say this is some huge fail. I'll tell you some huge fails:- PL/AM or pretty much every agi hero, going first item vladimirs- Slardar (or some other similar hero) going dagger without boots or anything- Rushing radiance without boots, or anything - Alche midas- Obsi scepter- Lich/CM arcaneAnd much more... ofc even some of these i've mentioned can be good in some games, like lich arcane for team if really needed, or rushing radiance if your team tactics rely on it.. everything in this game is optional, and any item can do decent, if used properly. Except fckin midas alche, it's damn 3 creeps with his passive But well, it can be used for some nice exp burst (usage on high-lvl neutrals), so... Everything is optional, and hugely depends on opponents/teammates/game itselfHow often do you see people pick supports and actually support in pubs instead of farming like a late game hard carry and then just throwing an ultimate with an aghanims/orchid ?Every game.-Tidehunter Vanguard - the dream.-PA Buriza-Nerub Assassin with dagon 5 and arcane boots, nothing else - I mean, it can work, but fails 90% of the time.-Gyrocopter Lothar+Arcane boots+Aghanim's Scepter / maxing homing missile firstEDIT: spoilerSmells like bullshit, or either you are 1750+.Do they legitimately buy wards/smoke, rotate around the map, pull and don't fuck up your creeps on the lane?
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