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The moment has come
« on: August 04, 2014, 21:41 »

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Re: The moment has come
« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2014, 23:02 »
Fresh news. good to see.

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Re: The moment has come
« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2014, 03:05 »
Very excided

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Re: The moment has come
« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2014, 04:53 »
Ezavorrrrrrrrr's aghanim is sexy. :) Unobstructed view during day + a healing first spell... yummy
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Re: The moment has come
« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2014, 07:17 »
Ok, mega long post coming through, I'll talk a bit about the changes as I look at them and say if they're good or bad to the overall balance of the game not to the fanboys picking it/buying them.

Abba was already very good, now he's even better, bad change.
AA, completely irrelevant changes.
AM, cute, but almost irrelevant change.
Axe, XDDDDDDDDDDDDD anything with RANDOM CHANCE in it is what is wrong with dota, horrible change. A braindead imbecil who blinks into 5 and should die because of it, can now spin 10 times in 10 attacks in 1 second and kill everyone.
Bat, good changes, he was farming far too fast in woods, the mana for ulti also good, he pretty much always had mana, now maybe he needs to THINK a bit.
Rex, bad change, just helps noobs get more lasthits early, it was fine before.
BS, good that ulti can't be dispelled, bad that it has faster cast animation that just helps noobs, it was fine before.
Gondar, changes which help noobs, it was fine before.
Panda, cute, this is the kind of thing he should do more, not fucking RANDOM CHANCE axe spins.
Bristle was already very good, now he's even better, bad change.
Brood is still a useless feeder of spiders to some aoe, even with so many improvements.
Chen was already very good, now it's even better, bad change.
Clinkz was already very good, now he will farm faster from lvl 2 ult, and from lvl 3 ult he will pretty much always have the +dmg+hp, he will be far better, bad change.
Cent, probably the best change from all of these, with the bat one, cent always has mana early because double edge doesn't cost any, now he will think twice before perma stunning early since stun mana increased.
CK, horrible change, same as the axe one, more random chance for retards with 0 skill to pray for.
Dazzle, that ministun was more like a real stun not really mini at all, and was also very annoying because of how the spell was, slowing you down a lot and only then stunning, was one of the best single target spells in the game, now it's average, good change.
Thrall was already very good, now it's even better, bad change.
Doom, good change, it will now force noobs to go for basi, which he needs anyway because he has -9999999999 armor.
Trax was already very good, now she has basically a 1 second aoe stun, 1 second in which she can hit someone like 3 times even earlygame because of her agi, bad change.
ES, very good changes, es always feels far too slow, now it won't, also the hitting invis thing, good changes.
Kaolin, bad change, it was fine before.
Xin, good changes, but he still is op.
Ench, bad change, it was fine before.
Enigma was already very good, now much better, bad changes.
Void, his turn rate would be fine at like 0.75, 1 seems a bit much, he can fake going b and then go fight pretty much instantly, making you have delay in reaction time, a delay which can make him cast a good ulti which can win the game and just needs 2 simple clicks as preparation, bad change.
Gyro was already very good, now even better, bad changes.
Invoker, making ppl go exort even more, as an opponent of him I'd like it, as an ally of him I'd hate it, as me playing it it's still op.
Jakiro was good before, but now XDDDDDDDDDDD it's just fucking ridicolous with all these changes, agha ulti lasts 14 seconds, 14, and it's 1800 range. What the fuck ? One of the worst changes, ranks up there with axe and ck random chance.
Jugger, the ulti is theoretically weaker, realistically better, base attack time change is fine. Ok changes, not really good changes because jugger was good anyway and now it's better.
Kotl, give heal nub. Cute changes. The unobstructed vision at day is nice with bala unobstructed vision at night. Mega unobstructed vision players.
Kunkka, what the fuck "x can now last twice as long on allies" implies it involves random chance. Bad changes.
Legion, XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD the most op hero, and he buffs it hugely + adds random chance. Worst fucking change in the history of dota.
Lesh, lightning storm is 4 sec cd at lvl 4, and now slows 75% for 0.5, the spell is way too good now, also the ult improvements wasn't needed it was fine before, bad changes.
Lich, "frost armor can now be cast on buildings" this is a joke right ? "aghanim scepter chain frost no longer has a bounce limit" ... XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD very bad changes.
Lina, more stun duration, more range, ULTI GOES THROUGH BKB/RAGE, hahahahaha. Like it wasn't good enough, bad change.
Sylla, much regen. Bad change.
Lion, good change.
Luna, HAHAHAHAHAHAHA, bad change.
Lycan, good changes.
Magnus, good changes.
Medusa, good changes.
Meepo, bad change.
Potm, less scout arrows, less leap+arrow pussy business, more skilled long range arrows, I like. Good changes.
Naga, very good changes, the illusions + manta were far too good for pushing.
Necro was already very good, now it's much, much better. Bad changes.
Nerub, bad change, it was fine before, now it's just annoying if you play it, and delightful if you are his opponent.
Ogre was already very good, now it's even better, bad changes.
Omni was already very good, now it's much better, very bad changes.
Mortred, bad changes, it was fine before now she's getting ridicolous.
Phoneix, very good changes, it was too good before.
Pugna, much more mana to work with. Bad changes.
QOP, shadow strike every 4 seconds with bigger cast range. Very bad changes.
Razor, ok changes.
Riki, op denies. Bad change.
SD, op ults with agha, bad change.
SF, close to irrelevant.
Silencer, bad changes, it was fine before.
SK, ok changes.
Sky was already very good, now it's just ridicolous. Very bad changes.
Slard, fine changes.
Sniper, lmfao, finally, I even forgot about it.
Bara, now ult 700 range at lvl 1, lower cd lvl 2 and 3, bad changes.
Sven, good change.
TC, pretty irrelevant changes.
TA, good change.
TB, good changes.
Tide, good changes.
Tinker, bad change, too much damage now.
Tiny, ok change.
Roof, irrelevant change.
Troll, good change.
Tuskarr was already very good, now it's just ridicolous. Bad changes.
Undy was already very good, now it's just ridicolous. Bad changes.
Ursa, you can go deso too now and your passive won't be ruined, that is a huge dps increase, too much, bad change.
Venge, wow, ahahahahaha, no one will ever kill venge again in pubs scared of -dmg XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD, interesting change, but it's a little too much, you can even die on purpose lategame to delay the enemy push while someone else important respawns on your team, because they will all have huge -dmg late for the entire duration venge is dead. Bad change.
Visage, good change.
Warlock, good changes.
WR, finally gets some attention, the hero was horrible, now lvl 16 ulti no longer reduces damage, very very cute. Might even be too good. Ok change.
WD, excellent maledict cd reduction, perfect change, the ult attack isn't too much of an improvement. Best changes.
Zeus, good changes especially the lightning bolt on ground which hits closest hero in 325 range.

Overall since many heroes got improvements they shouldn't get, it is still balanced because when one of them gets better others get too, however some changes are simply too much, and some changes are too little. The game is still far away from being balanced.

Items

Courier, haha.
Bloodstone, good change.
Clarity, great change.
Eul, good changes.
Lothar, good change.
Mjollnir, great nerfs, it was too good before when you get it fast.
Good change. Retarded wardens spamming them at towers might actually lose games now.
Pipe, buffed, good change.
Rod of atos, good change.
Hex, good nerf.

Item changes are far better than the hero ones.

Parity

Spiderlings poison no longer stacks, bad change. One of the only reasons to pick brood is gone.
Tornado aoe increased, very good improvement.
Rupture no dmg to invulnerable units, finally.
Ice blast no longer gets dispelled, finally, it was so retarded that legion could just remove it.
Tinker refreshes dagger too, finally.
Sylla melee range nerf, good change.
Empower aoe nerf, good change.
Battle hunger gets dispelled when magic immune target, finally.

Good changes on parity.

Overall it's all good. Some heroes will be very annoying, but you can still always exploit their weaknesses.

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Re: The moment has come
« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2014, 10:50 »
and still no fix on venoms bug.... ah..

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Re: The moment has come
« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2014, 10:53 »
Ursa GG.

Ezalor VS Good Changes

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Re: The moment has come
« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2014, 10:56 »
What a fuck is happening with mortred? are you fucking kidding me??

- Stifling Dagger cooldown reduced from 8 to 6
- Blur evasion chance increased from 20/25/30/40 to 20/30/40/50
- Phantom Strike bonus attack speed increased from 100 to 130

now MKB will be a must have item against mort. plus mort will lasthit soo many creeps with dagger.. Why!! Why they had to ruin it more!!! WHY

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Re: The moment has come
« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2014, 12:21 »
What a fuck is happening with mortred? are you fucking kidding me??

- Stifling Dagger cooldown reduced from 8 to 6
- Blur evasion chance increased from 20/25/30/40 to 20/30/40/50
- Phantom Strike bonus attack speed increased from 100 to 130

now MKB will be a must have item against mort. plus mort will lasthit soo many creeps with dagger.. Why!! Why they had to ruin it more!!! WHY

With a good initiation and chainstunning he is still squishy. But yeah these buffs are hard.

Ursa GG.


Can't wait to try out ursa with desolator or skadi. Or skadi+satanic.
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Re: The moment has come
« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2014, 12:34 »
What a fuck is happening with mortred? are you fucking kidding me??

- Stifling Dagger cooldown reduced from 8 to 6
- Blur evasion chance increased from 20/25/30/40 to 20/30/40/50
- Phantom Strike bonus attack speed increased from 100 to 130

now MKB will be a must have item against mort. plus mort will lasthit soo many creeps with dagger.. Why!! Why they had to ruin it more!!! WHY

With a good initiation and chainstunning she is still squishy. But yeah these buffs are hard.

Ursa GG.


Can't wait to try out ursa with desolator or skadi. Or skadi+satanic.
http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=5543064
Imagine a deso too. :p

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Re: The moment has come
« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2014, 12:46 »
Yeah I always forget that mortred is a bitch :)
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Re: The moment has come
« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2014, 13:51 »
Ursa GG.


FFS all you need is a fucking mask, and you can go 3-4m woods and rape roshan's tiny asshole

And the fucking venom bug is still not fixed, although I wrote icefrog about it

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Re: The moment has come
« Reply #12 on: August 05, 2014, 14:01 »
Ursa... Well, now bear fucks everyone even harder.

And Venge change seem nice and funny, Venge can swap herself into 4 enemies and they won't kill her ;D

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Re: The moment has come
« Reply #13 on: August 05, 2014, 20:17 »
Ursa... Well, now bear fucks everyone even harder.

And Venge change seem nice and funny, Venge can swap herself into 4 enemies and they won't kill her ;D
They will kill her, but the funny thing is they wouldn't if they knew about the -dmg, they probably don't even notice it.

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Re: The moment has come
« Reply #14 on: August 05, 2014, 20:42 »
Whats with the "Random" attack , instead of %

That is awkward