Best Player

[Rocka]

wtf did i read XD

[ColdWorld]

wtf

[Lagi]

Guys, im disappeared form the list. It looks like a bug, i will fix it soon. Sry for the inconvenience 

[NiGhT^^StAlKeR]

I'll do a little review about the things i've read.

First, let me answer to common regarding some things.

Spoiler for Hiden:

1) Why you force the tiny-kunka thing so much? You are wrong. Very wrong. My mana was 80 or so, all spells on cooldown(atleast 12-13sec more I wouldn't be able to combo), and most important thing -- Kunka had pt+cloak, so he would never die to combo, I would just chase and possibly die trying since someone would probably help him anyway. You didn't pay much attention there, you just saw me going back with haste, so you were like OMG stalker scared... I think about many things in that kind of situations. Maybe it was possible to do a kill there, but imho there was like 70-80% of chance for him to survive on some way mentioned above. I am percent-based player and for me most important thing is to evaluate current situation and opponent's chance to counter you. Evaluating situations good is the difference between very good player and excellent one. When something is so unlikely, I probably won't do it(except if I screw around or i'm bored, which happens often in pubs so idk why you insist on making conclusions based on those things).

2) I see you mentioned this

(some examples, wanting to destroy rax and then going b when there is a clear opportunity to end the game by getting the throne

I did follow you, we talked about it, I tried to help your attempt, but problem was whole team didn't. So I do not see your point. The thing you wrote is just not truth, that's all. Even though it's irrelevant regarding this topic, such small things mean nothing.

Now I'll try to do some on-topic comments.

For me, the best player should have following qualities:

Spoiler for Hiden:

- Having enough experience in every aspect of DotA gaming, pubs and (what's more important) league experience.

- Being able to play almost any hero in almost any role. If a guy cannot do good support, for me he can't be excellent player. Ability to control game with no farm at all, shows a lot. How you move across map, what you do. I've met many players while I played DotA seriously in many known leagues, and you would be surprised how many players there are, who are bad carries, but when you see how they play support, you can just watch and enjoy. So wannabe every-game carries are way lower than they really think.

- Knowing how to evaluate the situation properly, and react fast and good (mentioned above)

- Ability to adapt. Ability to play game no matter what are the scores, how much did you feed/got fed.

- Knowing how to pick. And by that I think both on captain skills in leagues, and on picking in pubs. If you are stubborn wannabe boy, you will go carry/semi-carry always, and often you will lose, no matter how good you played. It's necessary to evaluate the picks and think in advance about your role and your gaming plan.

- Being smart. Realistically speaking, dumb player just cannot be more than good player. Being smart allows you to do above-mentioned things properly, and many more.

- Having good map awarness and knowing what's going on in the game, who can do what, where should your focus be.

- Item/spell choice regarding current game/situation. Many players who think they are giga-god-imba fail at this point. Sometimes the guide-following players will fail hard cause they won't use their brain properly and won't take what's needed to be most useful in game. This seems like something easy, but trust me, 90%+ so called 'pro' players can't do this properly.

- Movement and positioning. Crucial thing in every game.

- And last, but not least, your level of ignorance. You will probably be wrong sometimes, and If you are too self-confident you will not see that. In the other words, ability to learn. No one is perfect, and everyone makes mistakes. The important thing is will you learn from your mistakes or not.

(There are probably things which I forgot to mention, but these are the most important things in my opinion)

If you think you 'match' all these criteriums, you are candidate for best player. And not just you, if many others think the same.

One more thing. I believe Rockafella>Common when you check all the aspects mentioned above. 

I'll let Rocka reply about me, since no one can be objective about himself, obviously.

P.S. I tried to make this post look shorter than it's really is by using spoilers, since this was hell of a long post xD

Cheers, Aco <-> N^^S, also known as Geh.TT. / Rockasaurus

[ilikedat]

holly shit ns,im gonna read all this tomorrow

[maciekg9-slaveofBart]

Stalker- Common v2.0

[ColdWorld]

dat color -_-'

[CoMMoN1337]

I'll do a little review about the things i've read.

First, let me answer to common regarding some things.

Spoiler for Hiden:

1) Why you force the tiny-kunka thing so much? You are wrong. Very wrong. My mana was 80 or so, all spells on cooldown(atleast 12-13sec more I wouldn't be able to combo), and most important thing -- Kunka had pt+cloak, so he would never die to combo, I would just chase and possibly die trying since someone would probably help him anyway. You didn't pay much attention there, you just saw me going back with haste, so you were like OMG stalker scared... I think about many things in that kind of situations. Maybe it was possible to do a kill there, but imho there was like 70-80% of chance for him to survive on some way mentioned above. I am percent-based player and for me most important thing is to evaluate current situation and opponent's chance to counter you. Evaluating situations good is the difference between very good player and excellent one. When something is so unlikely, I probably won't do it(except if I screw around or i'm bored, which happens often in pubs so idk why you insist on making conclusions based on those things).

2) I see you mentioned this

(some examples, wanting to destroy rax and then going b when there is a clear opportunity to end the game by getting the throne

I did follow you, we talked about it, I tried to help your attempt, but problem was whole team didn't. So I do not see your point. The thing you wrote is just not truth, that's all. Even though it's irrelevant regarding this topic, such small things mean nothing.

Now I'll try to do some on-topic comments.

For me, the best player should have following qualities:

Spoiler for Hiden:

- Having enough experience in every aspect of DotA gaming, pubs and (what's more important) league experience.

- Being able to play almost any hero in almost any role. If a guy cannot do good support, for me he can't be excellent player. Ability to control game with no farm at all, shows a lot. How you move across map, what you do. I've met many players while I played DotA seriously in many known leagues, and you would be surprised how many players there are, who are bad carries, but when you see how they play support, you can just watch and enjoy. So wannabe every-game carries are way lower than they really think.

- Knowing how to evaluate the situation properly, and react fast and good (mentioned above)

- Ability to adapt. Ability to play game no matter what are the scores, how much did you feed/got fed.

- Knowing how to pick. And by that I think both on captain skills in leagues, and on picking in pubs. If you are stubborn wannabe boy, you will go carry/semi-carry always, and often you will lose, no matter how good you played. It's necessary to evaluate the picks and think in advance about your role and your gaming plan.

- Being smart. Realistically speaking, dumb player just cannot be more than good player. Being smart allows you to do above-mentioned things properly, and many more.

- Having good map awarness and knowing what's going on in the game, who can do what, where should your focus be.

- Item/spell choice regarding current game/situation. Many players who think they are giga-god-imba fail at this point. Sometimes the guide-following players will fail hard cause they won't use their brain properly and won't take what's needed to be most useful in game. This seems like something easy, but trust me, 90%+ so called 'pro' players can't do this properly.

- Movement and positioning. Crucial thing in every game.

- And last, but not least, your level of ignorance. You will probably be wrong sometimes, and If you are too self-confident you will not see that. In the other words, ability to learn. No one is perfect, and everyone makes mistakes. The important thing is will you learn from your mistakes or not.

(There are probably things which I forgot to mention, but these are the most important things in my opinion)

If you think you 'match' all these criteriums, you are candidate for best player. And not just you, if many others think the same.

One more thing. I believe Rockafella>Common when you check all the aspects mentioned above. 

I'll let Rocka reply about me, since no one can be objective about himself, obviously.

P.S. I tried to make this post look shorter than it's really is by using spoilers, since this was hell of a long post xD

Cheers, Aco <-> N^^S, also known as Geh.TT. / Rockasaurus

About your reply to mine:

Spoiler for Hiden:

1) See what I mean about your stubbornness You don't even remember the situation correctly when you were tiny with haste vs that kunkka, and you still insist I'm wrong.

Kunkka didn't have pt + cloak, he actually had just boots and no cloak (I remember clearly), and also only around 400 hp ( go download the replay and see who is right, because I was paying attention )(so no need for combo, just few hits + tossandhit, which is very easy with a haste, and there were far more chances that no one will come to help him than to come to help him, since it's a pub, you must not underestimate opponents indeed, but you clearly overestimated them there, also your toss was only around 3 seconds left if I remember correctly, which would give you enough time to hit a bit, and you had enough time to toggle your bottle in areas where tower doesn't hit you, so yes, that was pretty much a 100% kill, adding of course the lack of skill of the kunkka player and kunkkas team in the ecuation, which must not be dismissed)

2) Yes you did follow me, but our team didn't yes that was the problem there, but anyway the point is, after the game you said it was better to just get rax and b, even though enemy team was stronger than ours and it would've been best to try to end right then and there, even here in your words you reffer to that as an "attempt" which indicates you still don't really believe it was the correct thing to do.
"Small things" ? Irrelevant ? Buddy that "small thing" would've won us the game right then and there 100% if our team followed us, and we ended up losing after not doing it, so of course game deciding things aren't irrelevant.

About your on-topic lines:

Spoiler for Hiden:

- True
- True, but you should be able to play EVERY hero, in EVERY role, not almost.
- True
- True
- True
- True
- True
- True
- True

Something extremely important which you didn't mention, is recognizing what kind of skill level your opponents are, because you SHOULD play differently against them if they are bad. If you assume they are always good and they are actually not, you give them time to get some items by not being "overaggressive" against them, and then they are much more comfortable with a few items than with no items, extremely important thing in pubs which is the reason for pretty much all losses vs low skill nabs in games when there are no retarded afkers/refusing to play/game ruining cunts/leavers etc.

If your opponent is a low skill kunkka and you are a tiny with haste ( ) and his team is very low skill too, you SHOULD go for the kill, if they would actually be decent, of course you don't go for the kill.

By the way, do you actually think I play carries because I can't support XDDD ? ( or are you just trying some reverse psychology here to make me let you mid while showing you that I can )

I don't play roles #3 #4 #5 and I rarely play role #2, because I don't like nabs having more game-deciding-influence than me in my team. It's as simple as that. That doesn't mean I can't play "support" much better than you or anyone else here.

I used to play roles #3 #4 #5 often many years ago, but I just got sick of losing games because retards can't even autoattacking properly while I do everything you would ever want from a "support". (courier/upgcourier/warding/harassing/denying/not even letting the opponents get in xp range/pulling creeps/ganking/absorbing spells and damage in fight/getting opponents in awkward situations in fights by forcing them to fight in places they don't want to fight/dying to ensure prevention of heavier losses/baiting/being an annoyance by playing very aggressively at times with weak heroes and pretty much always making opponents focus me because of it instead of the carry/giving tangoes and salve to carry early and buying tps for them all game etc.)

"One more thing. I believe Rockafella>Common when you check all the aspects mentioned above."
You never even saw me play support, so you're not really qualified to make that conclusion I did see you two both, and I'm not being unobjective when I'm saying me > you guys.

I'll make iamsupportplaya acc, and I'll show you how it's done. (you can mid then )

[iNevermore]

lies lies lies, I played agaisnt you few times, once you were lich.
You went mid, played solo, didnt at all play as support, you lost, blamed your team and gg. Lies
Yes, you cant play as support.

[CoMMoN1337]

lies lies lies, I played agaisnt you few times, once you were lich.
You went mid, played solo, didnt at all play as support, you lost, blamed your team and gg. Lies
Yes, you cant play as support.

Nice logic you got there.
If I didn't play it as support, you can't say I played support.

[iNevermore]

You played with lich, there is a role for such hero, you went full carry and then blamed everyone around.

[Shadow]

Night^^Stalker (rockasaurus) best imo. I remember watching his replays when he was playing with totally screwd or something like that. But i also like another players that are not mentioned here. Raptile and Rapboy... Nvm, Stalker best 

[CoMMoN1337]

You played with lich, there is a role for such hero, you went full carry and then blamed everyone around.

Just because some heroes are best played in a particular role, doesn't mean they can't be played as something else too. If I blamed everyone around, I did it because it was their fault.

Learn dota.

[ColdWorld]

Let's stop trolling each other and let's be serious.

Srsly you think trash guy who have xxxxx acc's, guy who cant reach more than 1550(even on this dead srv) psr by solo playing etc. can be better than NS? He is just trash who talkin too much. Thats it.

[CoMMoN1337]

Let's stop trolling each other and let's be serious.

Srsly you think trash guy who have xxxxx acc's, guy who cant reach more than 1550(even on this dead srv) psr by solo playing etc. can be better than NS? He is just trash who talkin too much. Thats it.

I may talk a lot, but I always prove what I say with facts, you on the other hand talk little and with no evidence to support it. My advice to you is to try to find something better to do than being obsessed with me running around in threads that I post. Feel free to ignore it, truthfully I don't care what you do.