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Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
« Reply #15 on: June 04, 2014, 17:25 »
i would pick sky and make a scepter and spam with the ulty untill u piss in your pants :D and eul hex > void
« Last Edit: June 04, 2014, 17:28 by AcidSnow »

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Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
« Reply #16 on: June 04, 2014, 18:24 »
i would pick sky and make a scepter and spam with the ulty untill u piss in your pants :D and eul hex > void
Like I said before, remove a divine slot from void and get a bkb (then your ulti is irrelevant), and as void you can fake the chrono, because it has a cast time, to make the enemy use his eul preemptively because if he doesn't it would be too late, then simply chrono him afterward.

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Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
« Reply #17 on: June 04, 2014, 18:24 »
i would pick sky and make a scepter and spam with the ulty untill u piss in your pants :D and eul hex > void
Like I said before, remove a divine slot from void and get a bkb (then your ulti is irrelevant), and as void you can fake the chrono, because it has a cast time, to make the enemy use his eul preemptively because if he doesn't it would be too late, then simply chrono him afterward.

Or just get diffusal and diff that eul like np xD
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Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
« Reply #18 on: June 04, 2014, 18:40 »
We'll find out soon though.

I'll go 1v1 with CoMMoN (sylla vs void). I bet on sylla.

Feel free to post your thoughts about the winning hero.
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Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
« Reply #19 on: June 04, 2014, 18:45 »
50$ for sylla and his bear to win  ;D

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Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
« Reply #20 on: June 04, 2014, 18:48 »
No chance for lil bear, you'll see, brb a couple of mins and I'll come.

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Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
« Reply #21 on: June 04, 2014, 19:05 »
void win.
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Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
« Reply #22 on: June 04, 2014, 19:26 »
Spectre lol, its everything about timing.
If you vs me with void, if I catch your ulti using BM you stand no chance, in other state you win so its about right time of using ur rifght items/skills.

As i said everything is situational. Spectre activates BM, void activates bkb, and the well timed blademail is useless
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Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
« Reply #23 on: June 04, 2014, 19:29 »
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Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
« Reply #24 on: June 04, 2014, 20:05 »
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Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
« Reply #25 on: June 04, 2014, 20:13 »
Dont forget about tinker guys

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Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
« Reply #26 on: June 04, 2014, 21:42 »
Sylla VS Void

Our conclusions after few hours of 1v1 lol



1) Void stronger if he ults both bear+sylla

2)Sylla stronger if he keeps the bear out of chrono, and uses his bear to disable void by adding mana to bear by using bloodstone, and ethereal/euls/hex etc, situational items that can be used both on sylla and on void.

3) if played perfectly, sylla is stronger. However, if played by human regular 'pro' skill, void usually stronger cause way easier to land ulti on both sylla and bear, than to micro bear and keep it away so it disables void in chrono.

4) without bear and chrono with same items -- sylla has a bit advantage cause of attack speed armor and hp, but it's luck based mostly.


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Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
« Reply #27 on: June 04, 2014, 22:09 »
best hero 1v1 mid is that hero played by me

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Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
« Reply #28 on: June 04, 2014, 22:43 »
Sylla VS Void

Our conclusions after few hours of 1v1 lol



1) Void stronger if he ults both bear+sylla

2)Sylla stronger if he keeps the bear out of chrono, and uses his bear to disable void by adding mana to bear by using bloodstone, and ethereal/euls/hex etc, situational items that can be used both on sylla and on void.

3) if played perfectly, sylla is stronger. However, if played by human regular 'pro' skill, void usually stronger cause way easier to land ulti on both sylla and bear, than to micro bear and keep it away so it disables void in chrono.

4) without bear and chrono with same items -- sylla has a bit advantage cause of attack speed armor and hp, but it's luck based mostly.


That's all.
In more detail, for those interested:

1) True. No reason to elaborate on something so obvious.

2) and 3) are kind of the same thing, if the theoretical absolutely perfect play is reached, sylla is without a doubt stronger if a fight occurs, however no one on this planet will ever reach a high enough level to pull that off vs a void who knows what he is doing, and which bothers to wait it out as much as he needs to, which we didn't do in our games because you were impatient as fuck and restricted many things like "don't run at all, don't go for bear" etc., things like that make you get out of your comfort zone and good luck doing those movements perfectly with both sylla and bear for 5-10-15-... minutes, you just get tired eventually after permanent movements like that like you said yourself and you screw up only a little bit then BANG, 12 sec chrono and dead, and again, this is only considering a 12 slots sylla vs 6 slots void, which is ridicolous to assume will happen. (and no, to those wondering, you can't just stand still with both bear and hero and with bear tucked away safely ready to disable, because void can just go for the bear and it makes the sylla hero position even harder to get right, he can't let the bear die because he is as good as dead after that since if he resummons it both bear and hero are ridicolously close to each other and even a 2 year old can get the chronos right, and if he tries to come too close with hero to help the bear he is still dead because of both possible to be caught in chronos, and if he tries to disable with bear before chrono that is basically his only shot, but if void jumps correctly on the bear sylla doesn't have time to kill void in that time unless he is lucky and hits void alot while he is disabled regardless of void backtrack, if not then void uses chronos and kills him, so if void gets the correct jump on the bear or sylla hero, it's over always unless extreme unreasonable luck from sylla, so you have to permanently move both hero and bear to make sure void will always be awkward to go for you or you die always (not counting the luck scenario))

So, realistically, void > sylla, because there's simply too many things to take into consideration as sylla and you have to permanently move both bear and sylla perfectly + always be ready to use the items properly.

Perfect play theory, sylla > void, but only if 12 slots vs 6 slots and perfect play, which is a ridicolous assumption to begin with, or only if extremely lucky sylla which is an irrelevant case since you can't depend on that. But I'd like to say in a perfect play scenario, void wouldn't fight sylla, since it's pointless if sylla has perfect movements void won't kill him and going in would be a mistake which would make him die, which if he plays perfectly he won't make. So if perfect play from both sides, it's a draw/creeps win. ;D

The 4) is also theoretically true, but we both saw luck plays a much bigger role than theory there.
And 4) was also an extremely retarded thing to do, since it's ridicolous enough to assume that void and sylla will both get full 6 slots and full 12 slots in a game, it's even more ridicolously retarded to assume that those same void 6 slots and sylla 12 slots also refuse to use void ulti and sylla bear, or even 6 slots both and refuse to use ulti/bear. ;D

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Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
« Reply #29 on: June 04, 2014, 22:52 »
i told ya nobs, sylla > all in 1v1 full items