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Re: Worst DOTA hero.
« Reply #15 on: May 23, 2014, 09:29 »
I dont hate any heroes, I just hate stackers who asslick others with higher points just to believe they will win the game

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Re: Worst DOTA hero.
« Reply #16 on: May 23, 2014, 15:44 »
For me it's Enigma:

Basically Enigma have ONLY team purpose and of course it's "Black Hole"

Red part is main reason why people play enigma bad and feed in pubs. Far from worst hero anyway.

Here is one average example of how enigma can be pretty useful and win solo lane versus one of strongest solo laners - QoP, and also be very useful in mid part of game.

http://ss.leaguebots.com/gamestats.php?id=106

And one more

http://ss.leaguebots.com/gamestats.php?id=115

Back to the topic, there is no really worst hero in DotA, but some are for sure weaker than others.


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Re: Worst DOTA hero.
« Reply #17 on: May 23, 2014, 18:05 »
Back to the topic, there is no really worst hero in DotA, but some are for sure weaker than others.
A hero can be weaker than another hero in particular aspects, for example ammount of burst/disable, but they aren't weaker than one another overall from start to finish regardless of the game matchup, like you said above. You might've just not expressed yourself properly and ment something else, but I'll continue replying to what you wrote though.

What exactly are you talking about ? Pick-counterpick ? That is true for weaker/stronger in a 1v1 game, not a 5v5. In a 5v5 there are so many possibilities, hero combinations with different gameplay style than normal, many of which none of you have any clue about.

Go ahead and give me some examples of heroes being weaker than other heroes if you continue claiming the part I bolded in your post is true. (all theory only, I'm not interested in examples of games because none of the games you will be able to procure will be played properly by any side, especially if there was a possibility to counter which wasn't obvious, since everyone is at a very low level)

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Re: Worst DOTA hero.
« Reply #18 on: May 23, 2014, 18:48 »
guess what common is trying to say is that every hero is good,and thats why we love dota.every hero in dota has some advatage/disadvantage at the start.simply put,there are no good/bad heroes at dota.team gameplay has a lot if not the crucial part about the game.at the end its 5vs5 game not X vs Y game

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Re: Worst DOTA hero.
« Reply #19 on: May 23, 2014, 20:10 »
Sanctos is worst dota hero

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Re: Worst DOTA hero.
« Reply #20 on: May 23, 2014, 21:05 »
Sanctos is worst dota hero

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Re: Worst DOTA hero.
« Reply #21 on: May 24, 2014, 03:08 »
You can always pick Enigma end perform well.
It doesn't mean that Enigma have something special that other hero didn't have. Imagine yourself in the same place with slight different hero. Your outcome would be probably the same but you could have wider book of possibilities.

I mentioned Tide for those who picks Enigma just for ult. Why not Tide? He can really harm and stand alone on lane while Enigma might have a problem. Tide ult is devastating and stunning - Enigma needs to channel it for make it done and Enigma it's out of the fight for this several seconds. I don't agree with magic damage reduction (since it's physical ult) - it's still do the job more or less, and better than Enigma. Pumped up Void can also do a lot of harm while ult, but he can do many harm without it.

This is a differences I talk about. You may pick Enigma and enjoy you've done good or not, but when you pick some other hero, you will play good or not but with better outcome.
Other heroes are simply better - they have other skills that can be useful for farming, harassing, supporting, and ultimate...

This is my private point.
« Last Edit: May 24, 2014, 03:10 by Resor »

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Re: Worst DOTA hero.
« Reply #22 on: May 24, 2014, 07:18 »
Of course it has something special that other heroes don't have, no other hero has eidolons or black hole. Slightly different hero, wider book of possibilities, all nice, but irrelevant if you can play the hero properly and always make an advantage for your team using what your hero can do best.

There are no private points in dota, dota isn't something mystical that is indecipherable to allow private points. Like I said before, you can consider tide better than enigma if you want in your "private point", but it changes nothing in reality.

No one should pick enigma just for the ulti, no one should pick tide just for the ulti.
They both provide different things which MUST be taken into consideration before picking them.

Tide's ulti has a wider range but goes slowly outward from him, some may escape it around the edge, but still it does have a wider range and it can potentially get more people in it, however it doesn't go through bkb so it becomes weaker later when people get them, meanwhile enigma doesn't have that big a range, but it's effect is instant in the 500 aoe after casting, and it goes through bkb, but yeah it's channeling, in some cases it will matter, in some cases not, the point is, it's obvious to everyone (which has an open mind about it) that both of them have the potential to do better than one another in some scenarios.
So you can't just go like "tide's better", and ignore everything else because that's your "private point".

That's about it for the ulti talk, now the much more important part the other skills, skills which will be spammed for lane control, chasing and so on, which will be DECIDING the early game advantage, who has more gold/xp going into the midgame.

Tide has a slow, slow doesn't stop people from tping or channeling spells, but the slow does slow the opponent from running more than enigma's ministun if the opponent has high ms.

Tide's anchor is a decent aoe harass ability but low range, you can use it to farm well, enigma's eidolons have a good range so he can harass better than tide, enigma can farm better than tide with eidolons, enigma can obviously push much better than tide since tide's spell doesn't harm towers.

Tide's shell is a passive ability that doesn't deal damage to enemies but let's him get off his ulti almost every time, enigma has a nice damage overtime spell which can be used magnificently with the black hole, especially with an aghanim black hole which applies it again for the duration, which won't matter if he fucks up the black hole.

If you look at all their skills, you can easily see enigma is much more skill requiering to play properly, because of weak hp, no survivable/helping skills (like tide's shell), and channeling ulti. That doesn't mean enigma is worse, which you clearly believe.
You should consider what each hero can do at its maximum potential, not at the peak of tides skill level requierement.

Just because enigma is harder to play for you than tide or void doesn't mean it will have "weaker outcome than other heroes", sure, that might apply to you now, but that doesn't mean it's the ultimate truth, and it still doesn't mean it's your "private point", at the proper skill level, that "private point" isn't valid anymore, so if it can change from a simple thing like more skill being present, then it was never true, not even for you.
When you dota knowledge will improve, you will understand what I'm talking about.

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Re: Worst DOTA hero.
« Reply #23 on: May 24, 2014, 07:50 »
Ah, now I've realised why you keep thinking the way you do, you are thinking about things in the wrong way.

You need to realise you are talking about 5v5 scenarios, you are continously thinking about "what can this hero do on its own", in which case yes, like I said before, heroes are clearly weaker/superior than one another in a 1v1 game, but in a 5v5 that is irrelevant, enigma, although weaker individually than tide and void in terms of survivability, can potentially be much stronger than tide or void in 5v5 fights, 5v5 fights are usually much more relevant to the game outcome than a heros survivability.

Why you say ? Synergize enigma with a strong melee carry with a battlefury while enigma does his ulti which brings people together, and the effect is deadly, you can't say the same for tide and void. Tide just disables people, not even always because it moves slow at the edge and it doesn't go through bkb, and it provides no such opportunity for a strong carry to deal massive ammounts of damage to all the people caught in it (maybe medusa), voids ulti works fine with himself and big range heroes, but it doesn't bring people together so even if he has a battlefury he might not hit them all, also it doesn't work that well with other melee heroes.

Like I said in my earlier post, enigma clearly gives more to the team in terms of pushing, which is extremely important early to build an advantage, an advantage that will count much more than any individual aspects of heroes, so even if enigma is in many situations weaker, enigma is in many situations better.

You cannot say its worse and that the outcome will always be worse than with other "slightly different heroes".

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Re: Worst DOTA hero.
« Reply #24 on: May 24, 2014, 10:22 »
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Re: Worst DOTA hero.
« Reply #25 on: May 24, 2014, 11:57 »
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Re: Worst DOTA hero.
« Reply #26 on: May 24, 2014, 12:06 »
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Re: Worst DOTA hero.
« Reply #27 on: May 24, 2014, 13:41 »
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Re: Worst DOTA hero.
« Reply #28 on: July 05, 2014, 23:31 »
Didnt read a shit here.
Found Enigma.
WTF o_0?
Enigma is one of the beast heros there;
Worst heroes - heroes like axe, legion, huskar, etc. Heroes which almost doesnt bring a skill to player. Ppl just picking it, making some standart item (or just waits for late) and pwns everyone with 1-2 buttons; So, these heroes dont teach player a shit, thats why they're worst. Fcking imho

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Re: Worst DOTA hero.
« Reply #29 on: July 05, 2014, 23:43 »
I agree with monax