Counter OP Heroes

[Jimmy]

I need some help here ..

What is your stand on Countering OP early game Heroes , and by OP i mean the new school owners

Like Earth Spirit ( Kaolin ) and Oracle ( Nerif ) .. Esspecially 1vs1 on Middle lane

Because i noticed , even if i Play with them ( me playing them)
Or i'm up against them
It is a horror story to counter them . I know that Obsidian Destroyer can vs them to some point..
But 7th Level Nerif/Kaolin can Eat allmost any other hero
And i dont want to mention ganking ability on those two..
So , main question , what is your tactic to counter them..
I mean whitch hero/with what build[skill/item]
Anything will come in handy

[Jimmy]

http://lagabuse.com/stats/game/5324015

http://lagabuse.com/stats/game/5323634

http://lagabuse.com/stats/game/5319501

http://lagabuse.com/stats/game/5317740

These are all games won with 1 bloody item. Put aside level of players , some are 1800rating, others 1500.
Point is , 1 item on a 2 click Hero can have soo much impact on the outcome of the game.

[ctrl]

I mean whitch hero/with what build[skill/item]

U can play any range hero on mid vs those 2 heros, important is to be carefull.

Probably best I would pick or let mid are:

puck, destroyer, thrall, skymage, huskar...

items. in beginning, bracer+magic wand, bottle or mekansm depends on hero really.
dagon + puck = gg.
destroyer + mekansm.
thrall no items can rape lvl 6 both of them....

[cacomonster]

Dnt really know.. about using Puck mid vs them .. Sure .. puck wont die .. but wont do much damage either ..
prolly silencer would be able to do something .. if u Burn away all their mana..
Dnt really think u can easily counter any of thoses heros ..
Pudge might be able to own them .. if he does great hooks early on.
Bat rider would prolly own them but not before level 6.

[Jimmy]

I mean whitch hero/with what build[skill/item]

U can play any range hero on mid vs those 2 heros, important is to be carefull.

Probably best I would pick or let mid are:

puck, destroyer, thrall, skymage, huskar...

items. in beginning, bracer+magic wand, bottle or mekansm depends on hero really.
dagon + puck = gg.
destroyer + mekansm.
thrall no items can rape lvl 6 both of them....

I figured about Thrall , But problem is : Fate's Edict
 
Nerif enraptures the target, rendering them unable to attack, granting them 100% spell resistance, and increasing the damage they take from other damage types by 50%. Can be cast on both allies and enemies.
When Thrall Spam 4x  Lightning , itz enough to cast one Fate's Edict , and ull get hit only by 1 or 2 max strikes . Huskar same thing , his only weakness is Physical Dmg , and Edict gives +50% ..

[cacomonster]

dnt think it would boost the damage aganist husker .. but ya rendering husker useless ( unable to attack ) .. still dont think husker can own them ..

[Rocka]

doom.

[ctrl]

I mean whitch hero/with what build[skill/item]

U can play any range hero on mid vs those 2 heros, important is to be carefull.

Probably best I would pick or let mid are:

puck, destroyer, thrall, skymage, huskar...

items. in beginning, bracer+magic wand, bottle or mekansm depends on hero really.
dagon + puck = gg.
destroyer + mekansm.
thrall no items can rape lvl 6 both of them....

I figured about Thrall , But problem is : Fate's Edict
 
Nerif enraptures the target, rendering them unable to attack, granting them 100% spell resistance, and increasing the damage they take from other damage types by 50%. Can be cast on both allies and enemies.
When Thrall Spam 4x  Lightning , itz enough to cast one Fate's Edict , and ull get hit only by 1 or 2 max strikes . Huskar same thing , his only weakness is Physical Dmg , and Edict gives +50% ..

you are wrong about huskar, when oracle disables him , you can trow arrows by manual control using key R for fire arrows, same thing if you buy ghost scepter on huskar.

[CoMMoN1337]

Not anymore, as of new version orbwalkers cannot orbwalk while being in an attackdisabled state.

[Agov^]

http://lagabuse.com/stats/game/5324015

http://lagabuse.com/stats/game/5323634

http://lagabuse.com/stats/game/5319501

http://lagabuse.com/stats/game/5317740

These are all games won with 1 bloody item. Put aside level of players , some are 1800rating, others 1500.
Point is , 1 item on a 2 click Hero can have soo much impact on the outcome of the game.

f***ing PROOOOOOOO

[cacomonster]

doom.

What is doom supposed to do against any of thoses before level 6 ..  if they are both mid lane .. by the time doom becomes level 6 .. they would prolly be 8-9 with 4-6 kills

[Rocka]

doom.

What is doom supposed to do against any of thoses before level 6 ..  if they are both mid lane .. by the time doom becomes level 6 .. they would prolly be 8-9 with 4-6 kills

ok bring it

[Jimmy]

Not anymore, as of new version orbwalkers cannot orbwalk while being in an attackdisabled state.

Yeah , they nerfed that in new version , i also casted under Ethereal/Ghost State, same goes for Oracle's Edict

[Jimmy]

doom.

What is doom supposed to do against any of thoses before level 6 ..  if they are both mid lane .. by the time doom becomes level 6 .. they would prolly be 8-9 with 4-6 kills

ok bring it

I went with Doom vs a decent Oracle player, didnt have 4-6 deaths , i had 1,2 i think . But still he was nuking me allmost anytime , i was allways afraid of gank , cuz of nuking i was contantly on 50%/60% and i was open for gank , i dont want to mention i could not gank sides .

[Jimmy]

http://lagabuse.com/stats/game/5324015

http://lagabuse.com/stats/game/5323634

http://lagabuse.com/stats/game/5319501

http://lagabuse.com/stats/game/5317740

These are all games won with 1 bloody item. Put aside level of players , some are 1800rating, others 1500.
Point is , 1 item on a 2 click Hero can have soo much impact on the outcome of the game.

f***ing PROOOOOOOO

I saw Oracle was OP , so i wanted to see how OP he actually is