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Still awaiting reply
« on: May 25, 2020, 23:51 »
https://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php/topic,191079.0.html

So i posted this suggestion a while ago but still nobody replied except jimmy. What is the progress on it? I believe that i described the problem in detail and it would be nice if the administration wasnt ignoring it

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Re: Still awaiting reply
« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2020, 08:58 »
Why are you reopening topics, isn't that considered a spam?
I was confused with this, and it was not only once, but it happens from time to time to /w wrong bot. If it was changed to la-custom or custom-la everyone would understand why is like that. But like this you must to read on forum to understand, even if you don't understand..

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Re: Still awaiting reply
« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2020, 20:12 »
It wasnt closed because suggestion was accepted or declined, it looks like it was overlooked and forgotten, so i dont see how its spam to remind.

Your post however is pure offtopic and spam, dont see why you keep following me in every topic anyway

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Re: Still awaiting reply
« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2020, 20:30 »
It wasnt closed because suggestion was accepted or declined, it looks like it was overlooked and forgotten, so i dont see how its spam to remind.

Your post however is pure offtopic and spam, dont see why you keep following me in every topic anyway
I explained why it was locked, wanted to get Administrators to provide their opinion about the Subject, and starting from that we could have a constructive conversation.
Its pointless to develop a conversation if we dont know how Community Leaders think about it , metaphorically like start fishing in a pond without knowing if there is fish there. We could waste time ,but we wont get anything Definitive without Them expressing about it.

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Re: Still awaiting reply
« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2020, 23:24 »
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,but we wont get anything Definitive without Them expressing about it.

Exactly my point, i wanted to point out that i havent forgotten about my topic and want to get community leaders opinion because the mentioned problem is actually very common around here - it leads to argues inside staff and to snowball punishments

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Re: Still awaiting reply
« Reply #5 on: May 31, 2020, 15:19 »
I agree with OP.
The system might be better-ish than rgc/iccup. But still flawed bigtime in some aspects:

From the top of my mind.
1) Accused moderator "solving/closing" his own complaints ?

2) We get "antigamers" in like 1/3 games if we're to nitpick.
Example: some guy jungling (obviously on purpose) for 20min straight: 0/0/0 score at min 20mark;) You go post him on forums 9/10 times it's not considered game ruin (and yes.. it shouldn;t be).
YET. When mod is in game, he can declare game ruin some dude not using his spells correctly or when he needed it. :boy: Doesn;'t matter if he wards

3) The votekick rule seems weird. That one, where we are obliged/forced to kick someone who is gameruining. Even though, only mods can dictate what is "gameruin" and what is not (we exclude here the obvious cases: item destroy, ward sharing, spell abuse).

4) You combine 2) and 3) and you get this weird case where you are forced to votekick someone only because a mod says so in game. No matter how absurd/untruth the request is.  :P

4) Removing "unwanted" forum posts or closing them before the topic was consumed. Even though they are flame-free or sarcasm. Last time I checked forum as an internet-tool is for opinions, not for facts and valid information.

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Re: Still awaiting reply
« Reply #6 on: May 31, 2020, 16:26 »
So what is your Suggestion?

Guys, if this is going to work as u want it to work, along with your observations and opinions ,write down you suggestion of how you think something should be changed to make it better.

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Re: Still awaiting reply
« Reply #7 on: May 31, 2020, 16:45 »
1. Accused mods should never "solve/close" their threads, only bring evidence and debate on the matter.

2. Votekick should be what it is a vote. Make additional commands for mods, to kick players from game w/o voting. This way the "kick" responsibility is theirs and only theirs. Don;t need to drag the other 8 players into it.

3. Never lock forum threads, unless:
a) clearly solved and nobody replied in past 7days.
b) Or it wasn't solved, but nobody replied in 30days.
we exclude here the ban requests that ended with a ban, but not the ones that ended with no-ban. So we allow them to bring more evidence or debate.

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Re: Still awaiting reply
« Reply #8 on: May 31, 2020, 16:58 »
1. Accused mods should never "solve/close" their threads, only bring evidence and debate on the matter.
Complain About Moderator is done by Head Moderator [currently dont have].
And complains about B&U Admin's decision is done by Global Admin.
This is how it currently stands , it would be good if we would have more applications, therefore we could have more staff and more options.

2. Votekick should be what it is a vote. Make additional commands for mods, to kick players from game w/o voting. This way the "kick" responsibility is theirs and only theirs. Don;t need to drag the other 8 players into it.
@cen  , lets ask Server Administrator if this is possible, and go from there.

3. Never lock forum threads, unless:
a) clearly solved and nobody replied in past 7days.
b) Or it wasn't solved, but nobody replied in 30days.
we exclude here the ban requests that ended with a ban, but not the ones that ended with no-ban. So we allow them to bring more evidence or debate.
Most complaints are locked when there are Forum violations, or dissrespectfull content that would escalate and lead to Forum Ban [want to avoid that] , but as you can see , when a User makes a constructive suggestion , while being respectfull and have in mind the server [not his personal opinions] , High Staff will not lock it, even engage in a discussion and try to make the most out of it ,and come to a solution that will benefit the majority of server Players.

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Re: Still awaiting reply
« Reply #9 on: May 31, 2020, 21:45 »
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1. Accused mods should never "solve/close" their threads, only bring evidence and debate on the matter.

2. Votekick should be what it is a vote. Make additional commands for mods, to kick players from game w/o voting. This way the "kick" responsibility is theirs and only theirs. Don;t need to drag the other 8 players into it.

3. Never lock forum threads, unless:
a) clearly solved and nobody replied in past 7days.
b) Or it wasn't solved, but nobody replied in 30days.
we exclude here the ban requests that ended with a ban, but not the ones that ended with no-ban. So we allow them to bring more evidence or debate.

1. Maybe could be that all complaints are reviewed by B&U section leader and he has the final word but if complaint is about section leaders direct ban then global admin reviews it.

2. I think its interesting idea, technically its already implemented but disabled due to abuse in past. I think could try since now admin needs to votekick which leads to mass punishments if others dont want to kick. This way will be faster and simplier. And if admin kicks wrongfully then access can be taken away from him for abuse, for example. So basically result will be same just with less hassle and unncesarry punishments/explanantions.

3. I think its good to wait for replay and close when topic started doesnt reply for long or says that issue is solved. Ofc unless rules are broken. But i think if you lock topcis to prevent breaking the rules it wont help because they will just open new topics and get banned for spam anyway

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Re: Still awaiting reply
« Reply #10 on: May 31, 2020, 23:45 »
Such commands were abused in the past so the most sensible thing would be to not treat games with staff in them any different than regular games in regard to command usage.

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Re: Still awaiting reply
« Reply #11 on: Today at 00:23 »
Makes no sense. Abuse = warn/unmod. It's that easy.
It's like we're afraid to punish staff. Instead of finding a solution we find ways to never encounter the problem.

But then again. Making !votekick NEVER MANDATORY it's what i proposed as well. Keep in mind there are players who mute/hide all chat. Everything. So they will never see ppl whine on ALL/ALLIED chat about kicking x/y.