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Create an 1v1 ladder.
« on: September 27, 2013, 08:52 »
Create an 1v1 ladder, with the same system as the 5v5 ladder, and to allow the bot to distinguish between 5v5 ladder and 1v1 ladder, create a separate hosting command for the 1v1 ladder, like for instance !pub1v1 "game name", and separate sd command to distinguish between 5v5 ladder stats and 1v1 ladder stats, like for instance !sd1v1 "player name".

It would be fun. There are lots of places where this is already implemented, and it's not hard to implement at all. Just new command to host 1v1, separate tabs on stats page for 5v5 and 1v1 and new sd command for 1v1.

Also, the mode should be forced to -aromshnp, or atleast -aromsh, like it is in other places.

Why ? Simple explanations.

Why to force ar ? Well, imagine ap for instance, 2 people waiting for the other guy so they can counterpick after he picks. It would be lame.
Imagine sd, same thing, people waiting for the enemy to pick so they can counterpick, still lame.
Imagine rd, random luck decides who gains first pick, random luck decides counterpick advantage for guy who gets second pick, or advantage for first pick, depending on the hero pool, still lame.
Imagine cm/cd, even worse, blue player DECIDES who gets first/second. So he decides who gets advantage. Still lame.
With arsh there is perfect balance and only skill will decide winner.
Arsh is the only viable option.

Why to force om ? Well, it would be lame to have full map because creeps can randomly push hard on those other lanes and the guy to which creeps are pushing in other lanes is more pressured, so automatically in disadvantage just based on random luck.

Why to force sh ? Well, because this way there is no crying about "imbalanced" matchups, and if ar mode is forced, (and ar is the most logical choice to force), it would be random luck who gets pick which is better than other pick. With sh there is perfect balance (can't get more balanced than identical hero), and skill will decide the winner, not random pick luck.

Why to force np? Well, mostly because of the maphackers, it would be fun to have runes also, but if there is np then maphackers will have way less reason to use maphack.

You should give this serious consideration, it will drastically improve the number of players playing here if there is 1v1 ladder, people from different places will come here to play -> more players -> more site activity -> more fun -> just win situation no matter how you look at it, and the best of all, not hard at all to implement. Absolutely no reason to not go ahead with this ideea.

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Re: Create an 1v1 ladder.
« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2013, 11:00 »
Idea's great.

But I would add one mode -APomshnp.
Both players would still have same hero, no counterpicks but a host would have advantage. Or those 2 players can choose a hero before they start the game.

Problem is that there's nobody who would make this happen.

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Re: Create an 1v1 ladder.
« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2013, 11:49 »
Idea's great.

But I would add one mode -APomshnp.
Both players would still have same hero, no counterpicks but a host would have advantage. Or those 2 players can choose a hero before they start the game.

Problem is that there's nobody who would make this happen.
That's exactly why ar is the best option to force, and it should be forced, to create a stable and fair ladder. People will always abuse the system, so best to make the system as unabuseable as possible, aromshnp does just that.
Also, when creating the game for 1v1, it should be configured so it will make !comp 2 !comp 3 !comp 4 !comp 5 !comp 7 !comp 8 !comp 9 !comp 10 automatically, and remove the host ability to use !open !close !comp on any other slots than 1 and 6, to prevent abuses with extra gold by allowing open slots in his team etc.

It's not much work, and it would provide a lot of fun for everyone if you implement 1v1 ladder.
Go for it.

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Re: Create an 1v1 ladder.
« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2013, 11:50 »
Idea's great.

But I would add one mode -APomshnp.
Both players would still have same hero, no counterpicks but a host would have advantage. Or those 2 players can choose a hero before they start the game.

Problem is that there's nobody who would make this happen.
That's exactly why ar is the best option to force, and it should be forced, to create a stable and fair ladder. People will always abuse the system, so best to make the system as unabuseable as possible, aromshnp does just that.
Also, when creating the game for 1v1, it should be configured so it will make !comp 2 !comp 3 !comp 4 !comp 5 !comp 7 !comp 8 !comp 9 !comp 10 automatically, and remove the host ability to use !open !close !comp on any other slots than 1 and 6, to prevent abuses with extra gold by allowing open slots in his team etc.

It's not much work, and it would provide a lot of fun for everyone if you implement 1v1 ladder.
Go for it.
Option for !comp should be disabled from 1 and 6 also, to not allow host to abuse it by playing vs nobody (comp).

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Re: Create an 1v1 ladder.
« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2013, 14:20 »
Too damn abusable
C'mon. Don't mute me.

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Re: Create an 1v1 ladder.
« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2013, 15:22 »
nice idea tbh
but yea, might be abused...

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Re: Create an 1v1 ladder.
« Reply #6 on: September 27, 2013, 15:32 »
NOT GONNA HAPPEN.

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Re: Create an 1v1 ladder.
« Reply #7 on: September 27, 2013, 15:51 »
nice idea tbh
but yea, might be abused...
How exactly will it be abused, if -aromshnp is forced, and host doesn't have !comp privillege and bot automatically hosts it with 2 3 4 5 7 8 9 10 on comp ? Say how, and let's discuss about it. I don't see how it can be abused, if everything I said is implemented, so show me, if you can.

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Re: Create an 1v1 ladder.
« Reply #8 on: September 27, 2013, 16:08 »
If you are thinking about the fact that people leave before min 5 if they lose, there can be something like psr reduced x2 for leaver, maybe even x3, or simply put that "stats wont be recorded" at min 2 instead of 5 for example, or both.

Best way to deal with leavers is to punish them by what they care about the most, and that is psr and ban time, increase both psr loss (at leave/plug) and ban time and they will be heavily discouraged.

Also, the ff time can be reduced, and should be reduced, for the 1v1 ladder, because most of the time 25 minutes is way too much for a 1v1, and if someone gets advantage 5000 gold in like min 15, he can just waste time instead of ending till min 25 to boost stats or etc. Ff time can be lowered to 10-15 min in 1v1 ladder.

Got any other possible abuse ideeas ? Share them and let's think about it.
This 1v1 ladder ideea shouldn't be overlooked like 99% of the useless stuff in feedback section, because this actually is useful and will provide lots of fun for everyone.

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Re: Create an 1v1 ladder.
« Reply #9 on: September 27, 2013, 16:10 »
Currently in la.com nobody is capable in making these changes, it's senseless to discuss about this.

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Re: Create an 1v1 ladder.
« Reply #10 on: September 27, 2013, 16:43 »
nice idea tbh
but yea, might be abused...
How exactly will it be abused, if -aromshnp is forced, and host doesn't have !comp privillege and bot automatically hosts it with 2 3 4 5 7 8 9 10 on comp ? Say how, and let's discuss about it. I don't see how it can be abused, if everything I said is implemented, so show me, if you can.
me and my friend join same game, and he feeds me like hell
how to prevent it?

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Re: Create an 1v1 ladder.
« Reply #11 on: September 27, 2013, 17:05 »
nice idea tbh
but yea, might be abused...
How exactly will it be abused, if -aromshnp is forced, and host doesn't have !comp privillege and bot automatically hosts it with 2 3 4 5 7 8 9 10 on comp ? Say how, and let's discuss about it. I don't see how it can be abused, if everything I said is implemented, so show me, if you can.
me and my friend join same game, and he feeds me like hell
how to prevent it?
Oh please, how is that even a reasonable argument against 1v1 ladder ? Same thing can happen in 5v5, nothing is stopping him from feeding you in 5v5 ladder also, you can get a carry he feeds you and you easily win cause of excess gold. Same thing. Don't give me examples of abuses that are in 5v5 ladder also. You don't see anyone removing the 5v5 ladder because of that, so 1v1 ladder shouldn't be prevented from existing because of that.

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Re: Create an 1v1 ladder.
« Reply #12 on: September 27, 2013, 17:33 »
5v5  have votekick comand if someone feed on purpose

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Re: Create an 1v1 ladder.
« Reply #13 on: September 27, 2013, 17:45 »
and then everybody gets banned for voting "!yes", this la.com system is wrong in so many levels

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Re: Create an 1v1 ladder.
« Reply #14 on: September 27, 2013, 18:25 »
5v5  have votekick comand if someone feed on purpose
So what ? The game is still ruined, even if he gets votekicked.