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Re: Storm Build
« Reply #15 on: June 22, 2013, 14:21 »
I Don't agree with you Common in some points, I have my own gaming performance.

Ganking will be performed while playing any role, but if you focus ganking, the picture changes a little. You need some extra restoration power, damage output and trapping/locking mechanisms.

Ganker SS Differential:
The Full-Time Ganker can't breath, this is the truth. You have to kill the heroes and use the free area/time the gank created to advance your team's game state, while recovering for the next gank. If you made a successful gank but allowed the enemy team some recovery time, your gank wasn't fully exploited. The after-gank is crucial. If you simply killed a hero and then gone to your fountain as fast as you could you simply lost the short easy-push time and the opportunity to bring towers down, not to mention possible gank streaks.

Bottle: Great HP/Mana regen and you can sell it for 300 after you think it's not scaling anymore.
This build focuses less on regen/HP/Mana bonus, when comparing Linken's to BS, but gives a passive protection against active skills, that goes from Disables to most Mana Burning skills.

If the enemies has got, let's say, only vengeful with a dangerous targeted magic, Linken's will be unnecessary. Bloodstone, after the introduction of the 4min cooldown on buy-back, has been indirectly buffed.
Still, it really needs the charges. Get this if you are feeding on an unlucky hero or if you know you won't die too much.

After Orchid got remade into a cheaper item, it is now one of the most cost efficient items in the game, specially now @6.75 that Soul Burn was buffed to 30%. This core allows you to get an Arcane Boots while farming your bloodstone, and this fact actually makes us finish Orchid even before BS itself.

Going for Orchid before BloodStone is somewhat damage oriented, so it's easier to actually get kills in the mid-game, while also being easier to get ourselves killed. If you still have no confidence in your map awareness or get too nervous when getting ganked and screw up, consider getting one oblivion staff and then build your full BS before you get your Orchid.
If you are facing players that are harassing you or you are being somewhat damaged on fights, you may go ahead and buy, as your first two items, Boots of Speed and Ring of Health, but this cripples your early-mid mana regeneration. If you want to do this, make sure you are maximizing your Overload before the other two skills, to reduce your mana use.

Sometimes you need to change these, but everything depends on your enemy.

Jean, Love and Peace.

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Re: Storm Build
« Reply #16 on: June 22, 2013, 14:31 »
Im had it with u nab calling all other players noobs,played 4xtimes agianst u and u lost all fucking 4 times i dont get it wht  drugs are u taking to bust your ego or u are yust a no lifer that comes here to be  8) 8) 8) ???? u mybe know to play dota but u are far away for from being a pro + your ego is to big for your mid skills...
Who the fuck even gives a shit about items any good player makes item for the game needs...
If u cant replay to a topic with friendly adivce dont even replay...every fucking your replay starts with u being above everyone and then ur divine maggot explanation...

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Re: Storm Build
« Reply #17 on: June 22, 2013, 14:33 »
I Don't agree with you Common in some points, I have my own gaming performance.

Ganking will be performed while playing any role, but if you focus ganking, the picture changes a little. You need some extra restoration power, damage output and trapping/locking mechanisms.

Ganker SS Differential:
The Full-Time Ganker can't breath, this is the truth. You have to kill the heroes and use the free area/time the gank created to advance your team's game state, while recovering for the next gank. If you made a successful gank but allowed the enemy team some recovery time, your gank wasn't fully exploited. The after-gank is crucial. If you simply killed a hero and then gone to your fountain as fast as you could you simply lost the short easy-push time and the opportunity to bring towers down, not to mention possible gank streaks.

Bottle: Great HP/Mana regen and you can sell it for 300 after you think it's not scaling anymore.
This build focuses less on regen/HP/Mana bonus, when comparing Linken's to BS, but gives a passive protection against active skills, that goes from Disables to most Mana Burning skills.

If the enemies has got, let's say, only vengeful with a dangerous targeted magic, Linken's will be unnecessary. Bloodstone, after the introduction of the 4min cooldown on buy-back, has been indirectly buffed.
Still, it really needs the charges. Get this if you are feeding on an unlucky hero or if you know you won't die too much.

After Orchid got remade into a cheaper item, it is now one of the most cost efficient items in the game, specially now @6.75 that Soul Burn was buffed to 30%. This core allows you to get an Arcane Boots while farming your bloodstone, and this fact actually makes us finish Orchid even before BS itself.

Going for Orchid before BloodStone is somewhat damage oriented, so it's easier to actually get kills in the mid-game, while also being easier to get ourselves killed. If you still have no confidence in your map awareness or get too nervous when getting ganked and screw up, consider getting one oblivion staff and then build your full BS before you get your Orchid.
If you are facing players that are harassing you or you are being somewhat damaged on fights, you may go ahead and buy, as your first two items, Boots of Speed and Ring of Health, but this cripples your early-mid mana regeneration. If you want to do this, make sure you are maximizing your Overload before the other two skills, to reduce your mana use.

Sometimes you need to change these, but everything depends on your enemy.

Jean, Love and Peace.

+1 like it is true.  :)

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Re: Storm Build
« Reply #18 on: June 22, 2013, 14:38 »
gj nice items xdd +1
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Re: Storm Build
« Reply #19 on: June 22, 2013, 14:39 »
On storm you should have 100 cs in min 10 if i'm being honest, you couldn't even get those in 50 minutes.

Ideal is 82 cs in 10 min.

20x4 + 2 catapults

Common>dota

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Re: Storm Build
« Reply #20 on: June 22, 2013, 14:44 »
have you ever seen pro player get all lane creep kills till 10min? if you have free farm lane then it's easy.

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Re: Storm Build
« Reply #21 on: June 22, 2013, 14:52 »
THis is wht i dont get he is playing a pub game for his fun and some of u trolls are hunting him down coz he have low cs...He probably farmed good 50 creaps at the begging and later didnt farmed becouse he  saw they cant do shit to him so the man decided to fight them as much as posibru before the game finishes i dont see nothing bad in that in fact he had more fun then 90%of u public farming whores...  :-X

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Re: Storm Build
« Reply #22 on: June 22, 2013, 14:54 »
On storm you should have 100 cs in min 10 if i'm being honest, you couldn't even get those in 50 minutes.

Ideal is 82 cs in 10 min.

20x4 + 2 catapults

Common>dota
Tp scroll cooldown is 65 seconds, you can tp to other lanes kill people and get the cs there also after finishing up the cs in your lane.

The brain of an ant > the brain of feedmare.

jean XDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
Focus ganking is one of the worst possible strats you can go for however, especially as a clueless noob such as yourself. XD
Why ? Well, not even mentioning the fact that if you fail even once and waste your time, then your mega ganking hero will be so far behind he wont do shit later.
Ok i mentioned it, but the main reason is that, no matter how good you are, (and that's not the problem in question here, since you are absolutely horrible), if the enemy anticipates you, you wont do shit. You would just be wasting valuable time doing nothing.
When the enemy knows what you are about to do, then you might aswell not do it.
When you are in the line of fire, you are vulnerable. They can counter-gank, they can avoid you, they can do whatever they want.
If you want to win a game you must keep your opponent guessing or atleast not let him know what you are doing so blatantly. (granted, you noobs wouldn't realise it even if someone would kill you in 2 seconds, so what the hell, everything works)
If you do the same thing over and over again, they will eventually learn what you are doing and stop you from doing it. (like permanently ganking for instance, if you keep doing it they will just go 5 when you do it, bait with one and then you are fucked)

Stop being predictable, keep your opponent guessing and wondering what you will do next.
Thanks for making me add another basic, jean. Yours supports is always welcomes.

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Re: Storm Build
« Reply #23 on: June 22, 2013, 14:55 »
The fuck just happened, reverse those quotes. XD

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Re: Storm Build
« Reply #24 on: June 22, 2013, 14:56 »
ss is mid hero,he need to gang/roam after lvl6 + rune control before so common the mega pro player can farm mid while picking runes and roaming np
as nghtmare sayed,he farms 100 creeps in 10 mins out of 82
only the hard cary needs to take all lh on safe lane 15-20 mins just farmin like chinese then joining team fights and back to farm
and storm farm-ability is rly insane in mid game
get a 20-22 mins hex gg by winning ur mid and roaming a little

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Re: Storm Build
« Reply #25 on: June 22, 2013, 15:07 »
phuthai how stupid can you be to actually thing that Dota has 1 lane? Common mentioned that a hero can farm 100 creeps in a game , which doesn't mean he will stay whole game in one lane (to explain your braindamaged problem about not being able to farm 100 cs in 10 min).

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Re: Storm Build
« Reply #26 on: June 22, 2013, 15:08 »
ss is mid hero,he need to gang/roam after lvl6 + rune control before so common the mega pro player can farm mid while picking runes and roaming np
as nghtmare sayed,he farms 100 creeps in 10 mins out of 82
only the hard cary needs to take all lh on safe lane 15-20 mins just farmin like chinese then joining team fights and back to farm
and storm farm-ability is rly insane in mid game
get a 20-22 mins hex gg by winning ur mid and roaming a little

Yeah good dude i say to orchid in starter game

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Re: Storm Build
« Reply #27 on: June 22, 2013, 15:10 »
On storm you should have 100 cs in min 10 if i'm being honest, you couldn't even get those in 50 minutes.

Ideal is 82 cs in 10 min.

20x4 + 2 catapults

Common>dota
Tp scroll cooldown is 65 seconds, you can tp to other lanes kill people and get the cs there also after finishing up the cs in your lane.

The brain of an ant > the brain of feedmare.

Lol man, stop tring to defense yourself in such ridiculous situation. You say to tp other lane, steal creeps from carry, but u still wont have 100cs, cuz u lose mid lane creeps. You can mby do it if u play 1v0 game, i wont even bother to tell u about a think called deny, which makes you have much lesser cs if opponent is at least mid skilled.

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Re: Storm Build
« Reply #28 on: June 22, 2013, 15:20 »
phuthai how stupid can you be to actually thing that Dota has 1 lane? Common mentioned that a hero can farm 100 creeps in a game , which doesn't mean he will stay whole game in one lane (to explain your braindamaged problem about not being able to farm 100 cs in 10 min).

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jean,today is not my day to care about ur opinion
gtfo u think ure black or loda,dendi? even they miss lh
not count that going on other lane and tryng to take lh from others 2-3 from that lane wont be dat easy
if u are that good as u say why u dont play at pros
pls bitch

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Re: Storm Build
« Reply #29 on: June 22, 2013, 15:31 »
Actually I've played in more competitive games than your miserable pub dota life. You're one poor copycat creature who is trying hard to show something. I never really played with you that cartoon Dota 2 game but from the games that I've played with you here you sucked pretty much.

On topic:

Just to make this 100 cs in 10 min clear, I've seen players doing that and one of them is Tito. He was even close in getting the same amount of denies. And yeah, IT IS POSSIBLE.