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Alchemist item build/gameplay
« on: April 10, 2013, 11:26 »
1. PT.
    HoM,
    Loth.
    MoM
    Arml.
    Abyss.

2. PT.
    HoM,
    Loth. 
    Mjoll.
    Abyss.
    AC.

3. heal boots
    VG
    Rad.
    Mjoll.
    BkB
    Abyss.

4. PT.
    Loth.
    Rad.
    CA.
    BkB
    HoT
 
Go vote what alchemist item build u like the most or add your own one :)
   
   
     

 
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Re: Alchemist item build/gameplay
« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2013, 11:56 »
5. QB
Sobi Mask (for mana trick)
PB
Lothars
Mjoll
Heart/AC/BKB (depending on situation)

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Re: Alchemist item build/gameplay
« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2013, 12:00 »
If you free farm: midas, phase, lothar, mjollnir, heart, abyssal/ac/bkb

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Re: Alchemist item build/gameplay
« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2013, 12:09 »
Why would you ever get Tranquil bots on hero with 15/30/60 base regen?
Why would you ever get Vanguard on any hero other than axe?
What's the point of getting Radiance, if you first intend to dump (at least) 4400 gold in other items?
Do you really, really think phase boots and BoT are so bad that they aren't even worth mentioning?
Where's ganking Concoction Spray Medallion Alchemist?
If you're going for cheap core like MoM Armlet, then why HoM at all?

TBH I'd advocate phase medallion core, and start ganking once you hit lvl6. If you know the trick with keeping your mana regen increased outside ultimate, you'll have little mana issues. Forget about early greed, it's not effetive if you don't get freefarm (if you have supports securing it for you AND stacking jungle, that's another story). Maxed concoction is a 4 second stun, couple what with -12 armor, and it becomes lethal.

Maths!

Imagine youre ganking 6 armor hero. Pretty common for that stage of game.
Armor of 6 reduces physical damage taken by 25%, so opponent woul only take 75% of damage.
Reducing armor by 12 drops it to -6, at which point it becomes -31%, thus opponene takes 131% of damage.
131/75 ~= 175% which means 75% relative damage increase. Neat.
And as a bonus, concoction deals physical damge as well. If you quickly drop spray and use medallion before concoction hits, it gets amplified as well. Maxed concoction against -6 armor deals 471 damage (Lvl 1 finger of death deals 450 after reductions).

Obvious extenstion would be Lothar or Dagger, depending on playstyle. You're not a carry yourself, you're paving the way for some real dps. And draw lots of attention (alchemist has huge model :P)
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Re: Alchemist item build/gameplay
« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2013, 12:13 »
Numbers never lie.  8)
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Re: Alchemist item build/gameplay
« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2013, 13:22 »
Ok but when RD is on trilane with 2 supports he can get loth, armlet, mom in 20. Min and then he can solo pwn anyone with 150 dmg +30as from PT, 30as from loth and +100%as from MoM = with 150loth crit, timing 4 sec stun -6 armor and mby -6 armor from medallion is inaf op to kill anyone in 4 sec imo
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Re: Alchemist item build/gameplay
« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2013, 13:26 »
if you have watched dota 2 games. pro alch gets 1.2k gold per minute midas radi ac mj travels abysal need nothing more. and trilane gg free farm if you have strong supports.

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Re: Alchemist item build/gameplay
« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2013, 13:33 »
in dota 2 u stack ancient till min 14 radi and soul ring, then i go for shadowblade hot abysal etc...  8)

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Re: Alchemist item build/gameplay
« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2013, 13:52 »
soul ring...?

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Re: Alchemist item build/gameplay
« Reply #9 on: April 10, 2013, 13:59 »
how get mana for 2 sprays per min if u dont have soul ring?

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Re: Alchemist item build/gameplay
« Reply #10 on: April 10, 2013, 14:07 »
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mjollnir
ac
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mkb
bkb

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Re: Alchemist item build/gameplay
« Reply #11 on: April 10, 2013, 14:15 »
^ horror


Radiance as core, with vanguard/phase. Later assault cuirass or some other item, depends on game.

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Disagree about part regarding vanguard, it's useful item on many heroes, including alche.
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Re: Alchemist item build/gameplay
« Reply #12 on: April 10, 2013, 14:32 »
And vg on riki also NS right? :D
Heroes who can absolve much dmg need radiance as sylla or alche, then radiance is a need,with heroes as nw or pl for dps and escaping spells :)
Ps: feel like a pro... NS commented on my topic xD
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Re: Alchemist item build/gameplay
« Reply #13 on: April 10, 2013, 14:35 »
And vg on riki also NS right? :D

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Re: Alchemist item build/gameplay
« Reply #14 on: April 10, 2013, 14:54 »
well, everything depends on your enemies, you can't make radiance against naix