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Re: Everyone has to read this!
« Reply #15 on: January 31, 2013, 01:35 »
I dont know why someone removed my comment. I didnt say anything wrong/against rules. At least show some respect to ex mod on this crap bot -.-'
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Re: Everyone has to read this!
« Reply #16 on: January 31, 2013, 04:19 »
What if someone forces you to believe god?Like my father he forces me to go mosque but every damn time i dont even think god exists...That was a bit personal problem but i need to ask ur opinions

totally agree ppl shoud not force no one to think or belive in somethink cuz its stupid and dont work , such think should be given as advise or conversation etc but not by forcing...
its funny but the opposit happned to me ^^ , I wasnt belive in God , since I converted and started going to mosque  my father become crazy , for me I respect everyone belive as long its not harming other...
even my religon doesnt force me to force ppl for it , its just a message that had to be recived the rest is up to you.

Well, no1 can force you to believe, at least in democratic countries.

I understand it is different if you are forced by goverment or by father. I have no idea what how it looks like in your country, question is if you can somehow defend yourself or if there is someone who can help you.

I dont get how ppl will change  there belive if they forced to .

ANYWAY I didnt experience the fact that somone force me to "belive" So  I cant talk about it.

Some part of religion is good but some of them are kinda weird mate.For example in my religion every year hundreds of cows sheeps gets butchered just for religion.If u think worldwide ,they kill people for religion also religion can bring harm imho.
the weird part is called  obedience.
just for religion=> just FOR God.
if u dont care about it it ofc it will look more then weird.

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Re: Everyone has to read this!
« Reply #17 on: January 31, 2013, 07:55 »
Some part of religion is good but some of them are kinda weird mate.For example in my religion every year hundreds of cows sheeps gets butchered just for religion.If u think worldwide ,they kill people for religion also religion can bring harm imho.
I dont really want to argue about this but some points make huge misunderstandings about the religion like the stuff that u talked about, well in your eyes you must be right because you are NOT doing anything about religion BECAUSE YOU WANT TO DO. What you told up there -we call this sacrifice in religion- and its NOT about killing animals, i mean the point isn't. The meaning of it (not full meaning, im not so good to explain everything i know) is that can you leave things that is important to you for your god, or in other words: do you love your god more than everything(Islam includes that, if u believe, you must love Allah the most) and this is some kind of proof of it, also in islamic history, we can see how the animal sacrifice started, but im too lazy to write it in english, sorry :D
But if you are not going to believe, don't believe in vision. But if you are going to believe, do what the religion wants as much as you can.

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Re: Everyone has to read this!
« Reply #18 on: January 31, 2013, 09:44 »
Some part of religion is good but some of them are kinda weird mate.For example in my religion every year hundreds of cows sheeps gets butchered just for religion.If u think worldwide ,they kill people for religion also religion can bring harm imho.

before i answer your comment i should say your father has a huge problem with religion and there is consequences for hes doing .. cause according to the book he believes in, god denies forcing anyone to believe in him. u can shoot him that on his face  ;)

and about your comment , governments killing each other for money and power u still vote for them and if they knock your door and ask u to kill a bird for a ferrari wouldn't you do that ?? but god asks u to kill a cow and deliver it's meat to poor people, he never said kill them for me or religion. just so u know ^^
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Re: Everyone has to read this!
« Reply #19 on: January 31, 2013, 10:47 »
The big problem in faiths is people are told what to do , what is right , they ask questions too much beleiving that ''monks and priests'' ( i used general expression ) know everything. I can only tell you that it is total bullshit . Being immaterial , in other words , finding yourself has totally different meaning than those words they say to you.I can explain to you in few words , but going in deeper discussion would require me to write a whole novel about it.

First of all , we do have soul , the holy ghost inside us (or whatever you want to call it ) and people often ask what it is ? It is nothing more than a energy which we gain when we are in mother's wombs ,, you gain it after couple weeks and that energy is the energy you use to live in this world , interact with it. In other words , that energy is Aura around us ( to prevent people telling me this is bullshit , you can find ''scientific research which claims there is is aura around us which ''light'' (like i said energy)) Light has huge power of compression and it is able to absorb information and store it in compressed form.When we interact with other auras we gain their information , but often our aura is broken , we can not process information.There are ways to clean it , fix it and that's what means being immaterial ( they ways how to fix it i wont write because there is whole other scientific part about it , it is connected even with music ), ''going to the Holy Path of God'' , because in theory God gave us that energy and God is purest and cleanest form of that energy , that's how God knows everything. This is where science and religion meet  ,they both confirm this , they just call it different.

Every religion mentions this , and of course , back in history it was used in different ways to manipulate people like today. But what is use of obeying specific rules if you do not feel any better ? So the point is to not obey other people telling you what to do , point is finding yourself and after while , you start to realise it has sence , like i did.

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it's not about religion it's about being positive in life. at least that's how i see it.

Totally true and one of points of what i wrote .Being positive , gaining spirituality and being immaterial ,nothing bad can touch you. There is book of Russian born Serbian Vladimir Labat Rovnjev whos life is dedicated to this , and his work is not something that you just talk about and realise nothing , he approached all this with scienetific and religious point , he wrote the book about Auras and the power of light , they ways you can clean it , finding yourself , he also travelled all over the world to see how different people think about this , like shamans and monks from different religions who think same way but with different points.I have met him on his talks where you actually see how cleaning auras works , and you might call me crazy and call me stupid , after 2,3 sesions , i started really to see what people are good for me from very start , you just feel it and it showed that i was right about it and these sesions happen only few times per year , it is not something you go and do it , it has specific rules when and how (still it is not obeying specific rituals , like killing sheeps ) and of course it is free and none is forcing you to beleive in it , he just presented it , explained it and if you want to continue or leave , it is your free choice , and he said i can not help you to see it , i have my own way of it , like anyone has their own , what is whole point - find yourself , do not listen to others and it worked for me.

I hope i was usefull  :)


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Re: Everyone has to read this!
« Reply #20 on: January 31, 2013, 13:13 »
Nice fairytale :)

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Re: Everyone has to read this!
« Reply #21 on: January 31, 2013, 13:29 »
Nice fairytale :)

Like i said , it is not fairytale. But it is upto you to beleive it or not.

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Re: Everyone has to read this!
« Reply #22 on: January 31, 2013, 13:32 »
I wonder how can anyone force you to believe in (any) god?
Ppl ask questions and want constructive anwers and proofs, not "It is god's will" or "This is how it was written". If they give you this answer how can they assume that you'll believe?
If they want you to believe they should bring some good reasons and proofs (imo), not simply yell "Believe!"

I don't like religions, they usually tell you what is "right and wrong", ignoring every reason. This and that is bad because god said so.
I don't believe in afterlife so I don't live with self-denial and I don't await joy after my death.

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Re: Everyone has to read this!
« Reply #23 on: January 31, 2013, 13:49 »
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I don't like religions, they usually tell you what is "right and wrong", ignoring every reason. This and that is bad because god said so.

It is question of moral if you consider something good or something bad

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Re: Everyone has to read this!
« Reply #24 on: January 31, 2013, 13:57 »
I wonder how can anyone force you to believe in (any) god?
Ppl ask questions and want constructive anwers and proofs, not "It is god's will" or "This is how it was written". If they give you this answer how can they assume that you'll believe?
If they want you to believe they should bring some good reasons and proofs (imo), not simply yell "Believe!"

I don't like religions, they usually tell you what is "right and wrong", ignoring every reason. This and that is bad because god said so.
I don't believe in afterlife so I don't live with self-denial and I don't await joy after my death.
u have the right not to believe in anything cause after all what we see about religion via TV and newspaper ppl abuse the name of "god" to do what ever they want these days and that left a big black spot on religions every time u see a bearded man (for example) u go like "pff another terrorist" and it's true 90% of them are but not all of them!

u are not a believer i understand. but when u say religions tell u what's right and wrong ignoring every reason .. do not ever decide about things u have no idea about.

before u accuse someone even "god" (lets say) why don't u try to know that "someone" ? won't harm u right?
my point is u need to read more about religions i am not telling u a specific one don't get me wrong!
just read as much as u can u won't waste your time reading books and the histories always helps to have at least 1 useful idea.

i hope i made my point. ;)
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Re: Everyone has to read this!
« Reply #25 on: January 31, 2013, 14:03 »
it's not about religion it's about being positive in life. at least that's how i see it.  ;)
+1 for this..I see it that way too:-) God is a figure in life that pushes u to go forward for better and believe in that figure or not he will always be here to direct your prayers to him :-)
I'm glad some of u liked it and commented about it:-)
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Re: Everyone has to read this!
« Reply #26 on: January 31, 2013, 14:22 »
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I don't like religions, they usually tell you what is "right and wrong", ignoring every reason. This and that is bad because god said so.

It is question of moral if you consider something good or something bad
Well, how do you specify what is good and what is bad?
For example, 7 mortal sins is it good or bad to avoid them?

@ VendettA:
I know something about Christianity and it is enough for me to dislike this religion. By this I don't want to say every religion is same.

I agree that things we can see in TV and news are sh*t, I know that, and it isn't about religion only.

And talking to someone who believes in god and all the stuff is kinda stupid, I mean that discussion is stupid. Both will keep repeating his stuff and none will agree or believe the other one.
The discussion may never end and both sides will leave the discussion with same opinion they had at start.

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Re: Everyone has to read this!
« Reply #27 on: January 31, 2013, 14:39 »
good story :)

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Re: Everyone has to read this!
« Reply #28 on: January 31, 2013, 14:43 »
About butchering animals that you call sacrifice ,there are a lot of ways to help people.Only sacrifice that i can understand in my religion people dont eat food or drink something for a month and they prey in this duration.Thats how u can sacrifice killing means something else !(animals or people )

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Re: Everyone has to read this!
« Reply #29 on: January 31, 2013, 14:58 »
You misunderstood me

Only person itself can decide what is good or bad , for someone killing a man is good thing , for someone is brutal , so i agree with you. It is totally upto you what you will do in your life , if i want kill a man , i will do it , i do not fear hell or anything related.

But , to make clear what i wrote above. You are given energy from who knows where or who (i think it is called libido ) , that energy you use for certain things in your life , and there is purest form of it which is so called (by religions) god , it sees everything , understands everything (also told by religion) Scientific approach proved that it trully exists in us ( it passes those 95 % scientific reability ) , so church used expressions like ''God inside us'' to name it.But , unfortunetly , everyone see it in different way , so in religion people used this to convince people that by doing certain things , like killing sheeps or whatever , you will get one step closer to God (or in other words , your energy is purer , more defined which in that case is bullshit ) and when accomplishing certain things you got heaven (also bullshit) So , this life energy is for whatever you want to do , good or bad. Just thinking that certain rituals in religions improve it is total bullshit .

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