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Role indication within game
« on: February 13, 2020, 14:57 »
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I wonder, is it possible to make that player could change his name color in the lobby?

Let's say the position
1 - blue
2 - green
3 - red
4 - yellow
5 - orange

Let's say I join ap game and type !color blue and my nick becomes blue, there for host/team knows that I'm going to play carry, or I don't feel like farming and type !color orange and my nick becomes orange.

If you have more colorful people with decided roles, you can split support players, carry players and therefor making a game more balanced.

Of course, you need to explain what roles are and what they do. It will take time until all players would get accustomed to this, but it would drastically improve game quality and balance.

p.s. it could be any other indication about role you want to play beside color.

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My comment:

Is it really possible as i think to change player's name in game, so if you type !supp your name is colored yellow or suffix (support) added?

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Re: Role indication within game
« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2020, 15:33 »
Well, shortly:

1st position is top lane
2nd position is mid lane
3rd position is bottom lane
4th position is woods
5th position is roamer (or woods supporter)

It is very easy to remember because it goes from top lane to bot lane, then woods, then roaming (no lane role)

Thanks for attention.
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Re: Role indication within game
« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2020, 15:40 »
I like this suggestion, it was also recently applied to dota 2 and so far players have been loving it. Even though the role selection is great and all, it can be abused by players who will select support role then play as a carry for which we'll probably need to ban them which I don't mind tbh.

I don't think the change of the color even matter in this case, after players will join the lobby they will type in one of the following commands:

!sup = will play support
!sup = will play support
!carry = will play safelane carry
!mid = will play mid
!off = will play offlane

The game won't start before every player has typed in one of these commands in every team.
The problem is that not everyone knows how to play their role so we'll probably get flooded with reports for players not playing his role properly or who knows what, but I think the game quality can improve and it will be more fun for everyone if they knew what role they are supposed to play.
Another thing that might be needed to be added is that the top psr players in the lobby will have the priority to pick !mid or !carry in my opinion

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Re: Role indication within game
« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2020, 16:39 »
if you make the game start to be dependent on everyone typing their role in the chat, you should remember thwt people had problems typing !sc,
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Re: Role indication within game
« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2020, 16:45 »
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if you make the game start to be dependent on everyone typing their role in the chat, you should remember thwt people had problems typing !sc,
just a minor note

I agree, its generally hard for people to learn something new. Especially new players can be confused. Also, as mentioned, not all games need jungler. It can be a winning strategy to have 3 carry and 2 supports, for example sometimes.

I think it should be optional quality of life improvement, then others will see it and will type too which will improve the quality of games in the long run

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Re: Role indication within game
« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2020, 08:11 »
it can be implemented as imaginary so ppl who respect it can have fun?
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Re: Role indication within game
« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2020, 10:36 »
It would be had good but sadly players aren't aware about roles in game,2 weeks ago a sf made sy and loth and he told he won't play 'support' again because he put 2 wards in end of the game

So some players thinks just int heroes are support and only they should bought wards or some people such as i gave in example thinks buying wards make you 'supporter'

With talent system,there are some support heroes such as CM,Dazzle,Lion etc. heroes have +90 damage in their talent tree,some players start to pick that talents and get carry items on these heroes,so they might likely to won't play them as support although they picked support heroes

Problem is most players in this server wants to get high K/D/A since they generally believe having high K/D/A is proof how you are skillful but playing with support is hard way to get high K/D/A,so thats why people most people avoid to play support heroes

This server is open platform for every players so everyone should able play their own game as they want if they doesn't break any rules,i know it's really annoying to see when a side totaly dominates game because of outpicks but playing cm with deso won't likely to change game's sitation as well

It's also unfriendly system for new players as like Beastiary told since this system is much conffusing than !sc command for them

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Re: Role indication within game
« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2020, 16:50 »
I can post you HIGH PSR games (1550+) where I get 4 players and 0 wards till min 20. So yeah.. roles. Sounds good.

We are at a lvl of skill where people don;t realize that now (by now I mean last 5years) you get rewarded for dewarding. 100 gold sentry, and you get 100+ for dewarding. So you get your ward money back.

I ping people and tell them where wards are .. who cares ? My AA boosting his aghs+octarine after boots ? My venge playing carry ?

Roles work only for skill-bracket-balanced games. For ppl to embrace roles, it needs to first make them play for PSR (same team goal) .. but some rather play for "fun".

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Re: Role indication within game
« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2020, 18:23 »
If you manage to implement this role idea somehow, make sure to implement punishment for players who obey to play selected role.
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Re: Role indication within game
« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2020, 01:03 »
Start by removing K/D/A stats, and then when imbeciles actually stop caring about their K/D, they might focus on improving overall gameplay.

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Re: Role indication within game
« Reply #10 on: February 21, 2020, 01:28 »
Start by removing K/D/A stats, and then when imbeciles actually stop caring about their K/D, they might focus on improving overall gameplay.
Basicly this is it.

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Re: Role indication within game
« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2020, 02:22 »
Just to mention, people were spamming about how k/d/a ruined everything in 2011 and even earlier :-D

Agree, i support k/d/a removal
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Re: Role indication within game
« Reply #12 on: February 21, 2020, 09:38 »
Yeah i suggested the same a gazillion times, but we need the big boss to approve it.

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Re: Role indication within game
« Reply #13 on: February 21, 2020, 11:47 »
I don't know if many of your remember, but there was a time when K/D/A didn't exist, and it really wasn't that much different. Still greedy freaks wanted to have best score in the game, played alone, and their goal was to be top 1 in the end screen...

Think of something better, like assists more important than kills, or extra PSR for being a support.

There also were double the amounts of feeders, because they didn't care to be a feeder in first place 🤣😂
« Last Edit: February 21, 2020, 12:03 by Sejanus »

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Re: Role indication within game
« Reply #14 on: February 21, 2020, 14:58 »
Just add Ward count (but exclude wards bought in last 5min of game, to prevent abuse) instead of removing K/D/A .. maybe ppl will start buying wards.