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Re: Still not thinking of banning balance fuckers?
« Reply #30 on: January 15, 2020, 12:03 »
If possible ,suggest ideas how to improve the system. Discussing personal views is endless and not productive.
change in ranking system or matchmaking system is pointless. Even if you take an so called 1700/1800+ games there are players who think different or have different knowledge. Its a cliche but psr wont show skills or the strategy you have.

My suggestion to players who want serious games would be to revive ss or ihrl whatever you call, a league which they can play. Still, people should get serious on vouching process.

Yet, there will be players who will think that he is superior to others and blame them. or to vouch, pick based on his "inner" emotions/feelings/prejudices. So, just keep what you are doing right now guys. If you want to change something change your definition on 'fun' , 'good' or any necessary word.

Besides, I dont think there would be any difference if the case would be for any other map ( Custom Games or PG) so there is no escape till you change yourself no the system.

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Re: Still not thinking of banning balance fuckers?
« Reply #31 on: January 15, 2020, 13:04 »
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Re: Still not thinking of banning balance fuckers?
« Reply #32 on: January 15, 2020, 13:06 »
Agree.

I`d also say that this (ranking system) is not a problem that needs to be solved at first place.

I understand people do not like things here and there, but the fact is we do not have a plan, or at least systematized problems tree (read as 'list')

We keep discussing random things we do not like out of the sudden. Often we repeat each other by starting similar threads every year

I mean, ranking system is weird (came here from Chess, seriously, lol), yeah, but its pretty playable and we can live with it
For me, this is not really important problem

First of all let`s, please, determine real critical problems that we are facing, then propose solutions and desired result

You guys here want to make PSR system better, but i did not find anyone posted desired result (except maybe Jimmy's long quotes, i still did not find time to read, i am kind of busy; maybe there is something)
Spoiler for Hiden:
Maybe i am just reading while not focused, i missed something, i am working atm


Ok, its time to finish this post, because i have zero free time to continue right now

One of most important problems is decreasing players amounts
This is cause for some problems, and at same time it is effect for another problems

This problem has two obvious ways:
1) Existing players are quitting this server in favor of another servers/games
2) New players are not coming in bulks

Let me guess, what stops new players from joining here? Dumb server? No. Most people who managed to register here recently - loved this place.
What then? Complicated registration! Its only one most important thing that helps in final decision - come here or to RGC/Iccup/D-V/FBG/etc...

So, basically, we have player_loss > players_income just because of complicated registration and irritating activation.
Even if its hardcoded, mister @cen, why not make "3rd party" scripts that abstracts players from this complicated logic layer? Like just make another abstraction layer that hides all of this, does it automatically and lets player come here as fast as possible after he entered nickname/email/captcha

With more players you guys can juggle with stronger bans / better PSR systems and such. But not with current player amounts

I'll write something later, i am really busy, sorry if this text is not readable
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Re: Still not thinking of banning balance fuckers?
« Reply #33 on: January 15, 2020, 13:44 »
I had an idea to make roles in a game as they did in dota2. Before the game starts you already have a role picked (1st 2nd and 3rd slots are core heroes, and 4th and 5th supports).  This works only with -ap -rd -cd -cm modes.

Cores have farming priority, which means: 1st supports turn auto-attack off and deny creeps or last hit only creeps the core player can not last hit in time; 2nd pull neutral creep camps and stack them if it is needed; 3rd ward and gank other lanes.

I think for the beginning these simple rules would improve game quality and as more players would adapt to play this way we could integrate more advanced strategies.

If admins would like to try this out we could start it as an event with registration and set time. Hopefully, later on, it would become a natural thing and players would start to host games like these by themself.


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Re: Still not thinking of banning balance fuckers?
« Reply #34 on: January 15, 2020, 13:56 »
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Re: Still not thinking of banning balance fuckers?
« Reply #35 on: January 15, 2020, 14:02 »
Agree.

I`d also say that this (ranking system) is not a problem that needs to be solved at first place.

I understand people do not like things here and there, but the fact is we do not have a plan, or at least systematized problems tree (read as 'list')

We keep discussing random things we do not like out of the sudden. Often we repeat each other by starting similar threads every year

I mean, ranking system is weird (came here from Chess, seriously, lol), yeah, but its pretty playable and we can live with it
For me, this is not really important problem

First of all let`s, please, determine real critical problems that we are facing, then propose solutions and desired result

You guys here want to make PSR system better, but i did not find anyone posted desired result (except maybe Jimmy's long quotes, i still did not find time to read, i am kind of busy; maybe there is something)
Spoiler for Hiden:
Maybe i am just reading while not focused, i missed something, i am working atm


Ok, its time to finish this post, because i have zero free time to continue right now

One of most important problems is decreasing players amounts
This is cause for some problems, and at same time it is effect for another problems

This problem has two obvious ways:
1) Existing players are quitting this server in favor of another servers/games
2) New players are not coming in bulks

Let me guess, what stops new players from joining here? Dumb server? No. Most people who managed to register here recently - loved this place.
What then? Complicated registration! Its only one most important thing that helps in final decision - come here or to RGC/Iccup/D-V/FBG/etc...

So, basically, we have player_loss > players_income just because of complicated registration and irritating activation.
Even if its hardcoded, mister @cen, why not make "3rd party" scripts that abstracts players from this complicated logic layer? Like just make another abstraction layer that hides all of this, does it automatically and lets player come here as fast as possible after he entered nickname/email/captcha

With more players you guys can juggle with stronger bans / better PSR systems and such. But not with current player amounts

I'll write something later, i am really busy, sorry if this text is not readable
Its readable, i also noted that same issue a while ago.
I made a longhy post regarding it , basicly had the same essence as your post.
I can not post it since people included in discussing are active and its a sensitive matter.
Tho i am gratefull that you pointed this out, and the way you did it.
Will continue this discussion ..

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Re: Still not thinking of banning balance fuckers?
« Reply #36 on: January 15, 2020, 15:04 »
Agree with complicated part. 10 years ago I couldnt play here just because I didnt understand activation thing. Having 2 sites is weird aswell. I know why there are 2 sites since I Play here for 10 years but the guys I called from rgc cant understand why there are 2 websites are they playing on eurobattle or lagabuse? Even after I explained they didnt understand.
cen update the map please

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Re: Still not thinking of banning balance fuckers?
« Reply #37 on: January 15, 2020, 15:39 »
Agree with complicated part. 10 years ago I couldnt play here just because I didnt understand activation thing. Having 2 sites is weird aswell. I know why there are 2 sites since I Play here for 10 years but the guys I called from rgc cant understand why there are 2 websites are they playing on eurobattle or lagabuse? Even after I explained they didnt understand.
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Re: Still not thinking of banning balance fuckers?
« Reply #38 on: January 15, 2020, 18:58 »
Removing the activation is a small thing.. sure let's do it.

Two sites? Monumental task, all stats and tools are integrated with this forum. Then, if you wanted to preserve some forum history we'd need to do export/import between forums, huge problems with that. Or you could go the easy way and just deactivate one forum and live with it. Many people would be unhappy ofc, there is a lot of history, plugins, customizations etc.

I am personally not interested in investing my time in some huge system reworks for unknown benefits. Other than some intriguing technical aspects of bnet I also lost interest in building all these fancy systems which I loved 10 years ago. I can freely admit this. There are much much more interesting projects out there for developers than hacking on bnet these days.

The only reason there is still some interest is due to draco making dota interesting again, at least for now. I wonder how many people would be left with old icefrog dota today?

Even if we had a nice unified forum, a nice unified stats page and easy registration are we really going to get any player influx? "Steal" some players from other platforms, then what? New generation of teenage kids don't install W3 1.26 to play Dota1, so forget about that. Most players here are probably approacing 30 or are past that, my guess.

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Re: Still not thinking of banning balance fuckers?
« Reply #39 on: January 15, 2020, 22:57 »
Agree.

I`d also say that this (ranking system) is not a problem that needs to be solved at first place.

I understand people do not like things here and there, but the fact is we do not have a plan, or at least systematized problems tree (read as 'list')

We keep discussing random things we do not like out of the sudden. Often we repeat each other by starting similar threads every year

I mean, ranking system is weird (came here from Chess, seriously, lol), yeah, but its pretty playable and we can live with it
For me, this is not really important problem

First of all let`s, please, determine real critical problems that we are facing, then propose solutions and desired result

You guys here want to make PSR system better, but i did not find anyone posted desired result (except maybe Jimmy's long quotes, i still did not find time to read, i am kind of busy; maybe there is something)
Spoiler for Hiden:
Maybe i am just reading while not focused, i missed something, i am working atm


Ok, its time to finish this post, because i have zero free time to continue right now

One of most important problems is decreasing players amounts
This is cause for some problems, and at same time it is effect for another problems

This problem has two obvious ways:
1) Existing players are quitting this server in favor of another servers/games
2) New players are not coming in bulks

Let me guess, what stops new players from joining here? Dumb server? No. Most people who managed to register here recently - loved this place.
What then? Complicated registration! Its only one most important thing that helps in final decision - come here or to RGC/Iccup/D-V/FBG/etc...

So, basically, we have player_loss > players_income just because of complicated registration and irritating activation.
Even if its hardcoded, mister @cen, why not make "3rd party" scripts that abstracts players from this complicated logic layer? Like just make another abstraction layer that hides all of this, does it automatically and lets player come here as fast as possible after he entered nickname/email/captcha

With more players you guys can juggle with stronger bans / better PSR systems and such. But not with current player amounts

I'll write something later, i am really busy, sorry if this text is not readable


I have to agree with the biggest clown, hes right, all on point.

see attachment.

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Re: Still not thinking of banning balance fuckers?
« Reply #40 on: January 15, 2020, 23:18 »
W3-Topic:
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Re: Still not thinking of banning balance fuckers?
« Reply #41 on: January 15, 2020, 23:26 »
W3-Topic:
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You clearly don't get it by your answer.
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Re: Still not thinking of banning balance fuckers?
« Reply #42 on: January 15, 2020, 23:37 »
Dont get what?

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Re: Still not thinking of banning balance fuckers?
« Reply #43 on: January 15, 2020, 23:45 »
Most people are atechnical and don't have your knowledge, it's way too complicated for them to get it. Old players don't know what to do and new players are finding it very hard. The system is not friendly for 'em
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Re: Still not thinking of banning balance fuckers?
« Reply #44 on: January 16, 2020, 00:00 »
Most people are atechnical and don't have your knowledge, it's way too complicated for them to get it. Old players don't know what to do and new players are finding it very hard. The system is not friendly for 'em
Im aware that there are Technical things that are more complicated than they could be.
But to Google an information in 2020 , if that is too complicated , then really, i dont know what more to do.
Im available on Discord, Ingame, [made topics in all our channels] ,accessible via Teamview , as is Many of Staff members. We have decent guidelines [both Eb.net and LA] regarding all of the things that one player could inquire about.
If someone is not Educated well enough to utilize what is given, then the problem is in them , not Us [ staff & players who are wiling to help ].