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Re: Try another ranking system
« Reply #15 on: December 10, 2018, 04:53 pm »
Don't know how to make a  balanced ladder, but i think i know how to make a balanced game

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Re: Try another ranking system
« Reply #16 on: December 11, 2018, 08:10 pm »
@BaKiBaKiBaKi  @begin  @FataLity-  @Deynro @Jimmy

Can you search for games where the balance was 50 : 50 and the game itself wasn't balanced? I need test cases for new formula i started working on

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Re: Try another ranking system
« Reply #17 on: December 11, 2018, 08:35 pm »
http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=6168130

Random game, this guy has 1700 rating [ top 50 ] and he sucked so hard with Venomancer it was totally awfull.
I mean, 1-13 and just 92 creeps in 50 minut game.
Then this mega amazing person Jimmy came and destroyed them with well played Puck.

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Re: Try another ranking system
« Reply #18 on: December 11, 2018, 08:38 pm »
http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=6168130

Random game, this guy has 1700 rating [ top 50 ] and he sucked so hard with Venomancer it was totally awfull.
I mean, 1-13 and just 92 creeps in 50 minut game.
Then this mega amazing person Jimmy came and destroyed them with well played Puck.
Also last 17 games he played with different heroes and performed very well in all roles. We need more players like that  :y:

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Re: Try another ranking system
« Reply #19 on: December 11, 2018, 09:25 pm »
@BaKiBaKiBaKi  @begin  @FataLity-  @Deynro @Jimmy

Can you search for games where the balance was 50 : 50 and the game itself wasn't balanced? I need test cases for new formula i started working on

@luke
http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=6167667
08:40      Sentinel avg. PSR: 1590(49% to win), Scourge avg. PSR: 1591(51% to win)

This is the perfect example, easiest game of my life.

Also if you are 1800+ the balance is really completely shit, practically you get the worst team and still the winning chances (%) are way higher for you, making the games so unbalanced, dota is a team game, you can't win alone vs 5 decent players.
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Re: Try another ranking system
« Reply #20 on: December 11, 2018, 09:29 pm »
The more examples the better. Also, you just can't balance game like you want no matter what you do if you let random people join. Max what can be done is to make !balance see who is good and who isn't and put equal amount of good and bad players in both teams

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Re: Try another ranking system
« Reply #21 on: December 11, 2018, 10:04 pm »
@BaKiBaKiBaKi  @begin  @FataLity-  @Deynro @Jimmy

Can you search for games where the balance was 50 : 50 and the game itself wasn't balanced? I need test cases for new formula i started working on
Any game where a 1900 pro player creates a new 1500 acc and logs a game. 50 : 50 means his team is more likely to win.

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Re: Try another ranking system
« Reply #22 on: December 11, 2018, 10:05 pm »
Post some concrete links please

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Re: Try another ranking system
« Reply #23 on: December 11, 2018, 10:14 pm »
1st thing which will be changed in near future should be longer autobans on newer accounts and short autobans on old accounts. About ranking system, I think whatever system we pick, someone or everyone will be unsatisfied  :michael jackson:

That is really brilliant idea. If ppl would stop making all time new acc's the ladder would eventually establish and balancing or implementing anything would make sense.

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Re: Try another ranking system
« Reply #24 on: December 11, 2018, 10:16 pm »
Don't give up on your dreams, keep sleeping.


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Re: Try another ranking system
« Reply #25 on: December 12, 2018, 09:31 am »
Aight boys, after hours of calculations and brainstorming with my fellas here is my formulation that will save eurobattle.

There will be 2 types of games, autohosted or hosted with hand, auto hosted games will have psr limits such as 1400-1500, 1500-1600 These games will balance itself and start when full. PSR +/- will be constant +5/-5 and also self hosted games it will also be +1/-1.
Think of it like ranked/unranked matchmaking of dota2. In these ranked games people will try to do their best to win and other games will be more chill.

There might be some game limit to join these ranked games such as 25 games. After 25 games people will either play in 1400-1500 or 1500-1600 games so even then you will have some balance since you discrite players in groups. Also this will keep people on their main account.

Another thing is getting rid of kill/death, right now its important since getting high psr is very easy but it leads people to not play supportive roles. Consider my friend
http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=player;sid=1;nick=greatwolf.;tab=ladder-stats;lpage=1;cpage=1

He is a good support player but since he play support he has bad kill/death and in game people flame him over his stats when he makes some mistake. Detailed stats should be avaliable on web but I dont think its a must in game !sd
cen update the map please

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Re: Try another ranking system
« Reply #26 on: December 12, 2018, 09:42 am »
So you are saying that you need to have 25 games to enter 1400-1500 games, and then if you gain 1501 you can play 1500-1600 autohosted and autobalanced games?
But first of all you must play self hosted games in order to get to that new rank system?

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Re: Try another ranking system
« Reply #27 on: December 12, 2018, 10:24 am »
So you are saying that you need to have 25 games to enter 1400-1500 games, and then if you gain 1501 you can play 1500-1600 autohosted and autobalanced games?
But first of all you must play self hosted games in order to get to that new rank system?

yes first few games are to decrease leave rate/new accounts and have some kind of discrimination between players 1400-1500 or 1500-1600, In first 25 game people will have something between 1475 - 1525 so they will either play in 1400-1500 or 1500-1600
cen update the map please

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Re: Try another ranking system
« Reply #28 on: December 12, 2018, 11:32 am »
last 5-6 weeks i've seen and played with a lot of new accounts that have 3-7 games, and they had 2-4 kills per game (and vs me i have a new account that has 12:1 with 16 kills 4 deaths and picks tinker and APOCALIPSE).....i know being noob is not a crime but still its a old game, you have youtube channels to learn and a lot other things and since there are not a lot of games everytime i enter a game there is 2 or 3 guys with that stats and ofc they pick carry, i know thats not a crime or banable or you cant do anything about that , but its fucking frustrating....8 out of 10 games there are 2-3 players that makes you wanna delete w3 seriously....1-2 years ago things were a little bit different.

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Re: Try another ranking system
« Reply #29 on: December 12, 2018, 03:51 pm »
http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=6168310
CHECK THIS GAME , CHECK THIS TRAX , AND NOBODY WOULD EVEN KICK , THEY JUST FEED ON HIM , IF THIS IS DOTA THEN MY NAME IS JOHN TRAVOLTA !
Every second game is like that , every second game , is this posible !?!??!