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What would you prefer / What would make you come back to play here ?

Going back to the last official dota 1 map, which was 6.83d, a perfectly fine and stable map.
14 (48.3%)
Keeping up with dragodog's filthy and disgraceful maps that are an insult to dota. (with "jokes" such as axe call that deselects your hero or the -zoom thing which is a bannable cheat in dota 2 for your information and so on)
15 (51.7%)

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i agree with commy

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Yes, the dota 1 courier has never been "clever", that's how it has been in ALL the goddamn fucking official versions, so this argument is automatically excluded as far as I'm concerned, and yes, there's the lycan bug that makes the hero unplayable, (big deal, no one plays that boring shit anyway), however, that's pretty much it.
I'm very curious about these 998 other wrong things about 6.83d though, because for the life of me I can't recall any. I'm eagerly waiting for them to be pointed out to me.

If we speak about these dragodog versions though, like, are you actually for real ? Are you ok with playing a map that basically says "lol fuck your game, you can't select your hero anymore cuz i like axe more than i like other heroes" or "lol let's put a bannable illegal cheat right into the fucking game with camera hacks, cuz fuck this game" ? It has always been fucking illegal bannable cheat in every single fucking official dota 1 and dota 2 version, but dragodog says lol let's put it anyway. Basically this imbecile is taking a gigantic shit on anyone that plays this game, and yet you seem to be fine with it ... Why is that ? I really don't understand.

Anyway, looking forward to hear about those other wrong things about 6.83d, I'm very curious.

Also awaiting more opinions about this. So far option 1 is in the lead.

These are only the bugs and annoying things I remembered without even googling. Enjoy:

Spoiler for Hiden:
- Spiritbreaker is OP as fuck, Charge of Darkness disrupts Linken's Sphere without losing cooldown, Greater Bash triggers on the attack animation rather than on the actual hit (exploitable), Charge of Darkness has a ridiculous collision AoE. A guy with 2 digit IQ can be good with Bara in 6.83d;

- Linken's Sphere has an ENORMOUS amount of bugs, doesn't give a fuck about Dagon (just cancels it without even triggering), can block more than one spell sometimes, and in non-fix versions it can be exploited and sold while the effect remains on a hero as a passive buff;

- Monkey King Bar behaves like an orb effect even though it's not an orb, doesn't work properly with 80% of orb effect items / spells;

- Butterfly bugs upon activation, you lose passive Evasion, you can no longer activate it and you can't even sell it anymore;

- Rubick's Spell Steal bugs on multiple instances, can steal Empowering Haste and permanently keep it, can steal item effects (Linken's Sphere, Pipe, Crimson Guard) for some reason but can't use them properly, some spells don't even work for Rubick at all (such as Sniper's Shrapnel);

- Spells such as Burning Spear and Poison Attack can be exploited to enhance Huskar's and Viper's attack range (if used properly);

- Illusions are just BS in general, zero benefit from attack speed items / effects, group select is autistic in 6.83d, not sure how to feel about it;

- Various bugs with Void's Time Walk, can nearly double the jump length if you properly target a tree, can increase / decrease accuracy with Phase Boots, and you fly across the map if you get hit by a Hook during it;

- Obsidian Destroyer's Essence Aura sometimes triggers on Basilius, Astral Imprisonment increases duration of all heals / buffs, and if you use Imprisonment during Cold Embrace, the hero will lose armor bonus but won't be able to move for 4 seconds;

- Spectre's Spectral Dagger is autistic, the terrain doesn't always let you pass properly, sometimes you have to wait for dagger to reach it's full length while sometimes it just won't let you pass at all;

- Lanaya's Psi Blade can be exploited into dealing massive damage via single hit. Like, you can legit stack damage with Psi Blades if you know what you're doing. Also, for some reason Dagon interacts with Psi Blade, which isn't too useful but it's retarded;

- If you send too many commands in the beginning of the game, there's a chance that your hero will simply "freeze", and you can literally just quit the game. Also, if you hold your mouse cursor in a wrong place at the beginning of the game, the text description can be "stuck" on the bottom right corner next to hero commands and it will stay there the entire game. Has no impact to the game, it's just annoying and retarded;

- Legion Commander's Moment of Courage is broken since it doesn't have a proc interval, a person with a 2 digit IQ can farm in woods with him;

- Slark can use Shadow Dance during Duel if he uses Dark Pact before he gets Dueled. Also, Dark Pact disables almost everything, not OP at all I guess;

- Morph abilities are like, super bugged. They kind of always were, but still, there are less bugs regarding those in 6.85k I'd say;

- Tauren Chieftain's Echo Stomp will turn from "Sleep" to "Stun" if a hero uses a stun based spell right after it collides. A five second stun, fun and interactive;

- Multiple retarded interactions with Abaddon's Borrowed Time, it triggers during Duel and it doesn't lose cooldown, it triggers at random without losing cooldown if multiple spells were cast on Abaddon, that's not the case in 6.85k;

- Several bugs with Infest, if someone uses Helm of Dominator on an infested creep Naix can't get out, there were cases in which Doom used Ethereal Blade on an Infested creep and then Devoured it, in which case Naix would "disappear" (you could still Infest out via circle on the bottom right of the map, but not many people know about that);

As for Axe and Berserker's Call, Jesus Christ dude, just mark your hero with Ctrl + 1 and spam it whenever Axe calls you. You can't possibly tell me that's hard, and you can't say it's not the same since you literally couldn't use spells / items during Call in previous versions.

I'm sure I've excluded some bugs, and I'm too lazy to google it (more like, I don't care THAT much), but feel free to post some more if you guys remember.

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...and most of these bugs are related to heroes which are never being played by creative players

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Yes, the dota 1 courier has never been "clever", that's how it has been in ALL the goddamn fucking official versions, so this argument is automatically excluded as far as I'm concerned, and yes, there's the lycan bug that makes the hero unplayable, (big deal, no one plays that boring shit anyway), however, that's pretty much it.
I'm very curious about these 998 other wrong things about 6.83d though, because for the life of me I can't recall any. I'm eagerly waiting for them to be pointed out to me.

If we speak about these dragodog versions though, like, are you actually for real ? Are you ok with playing a map that basically says "lol fuck your game, you can't select your hero anymore cuz i like axe more than i like other heroes" or "lol let's put a bannable illegal cheat right into the fucking game with camera hacks, cuz fuck this game" ? It has always been fucking illegal bannable cheat in every single fucking official dota 1 and dota 2 version, but dragodog says lol let's put it anyway. Basically this imbecile is taking a gigantic shit on anyone that plays this game, and yet you seem to be fine with it ... Why is that ? I really don't understand.

Anyway, looking forward to hear about those other wrong things about 6.83d, I'm very curious.

Also awaiting more opinions about this. So far option 1 is in the lead.

These are only the bugs and annoying things I remembered without even googling. Enjoy:

Spoiler for Hiden:
- Spiritbreaker is OP as fuck, Charge of Darkness disrupts Linken's Sphere without losing cooldown, Greater Bash triggers on the attack animation rather than on the actual hit (exploitable), Charge of Darkness has a ridiculous collision AoE. A guy with 2 digit IQ can be good with Bara in 6.83d;

- Linken's Sphere has an ENORMOUS amount of bugs, doesn't give a fuck about Dagon (just cancels it without even triggering), can block more than one spell sometimes, and in non-fix versions it can be exploited and sold while the effect remains on a hero as a passive buff;

- Monkey King Bar behaves like an orb effect even though it's not an orb, doesn't work properly with 80% of orb effect items / spells;

- Butterfly bugs upon activation, you lose passive Evasion, you can no longer activate it and you can't even sell it anymore;

- Rubick's Spell Steal bugs on multiple instances, can steal Empowering Haste and permanently keep it, can steal item effects (Linken's Sphere, Pipe, Crimson Guard) for some reason but can't use them properly, some spells don't even work for Rubick at all (such as Sniper's Shrapnel);

- Spells such as Burning Spear and Poison Attack can be exploited to enhance Huskar's and Viper's attack range (if used properly);

- Illusions are just BS in general, zero benefit from attack speed items / effects, group select is autistic in 6.83d, not sure how to feel about it;

- Various bugs with Void's Time Walk, can nearly double the jump length if you properly target a tree, can increase / decrease accuracy with Phase Boots, and you fly across the map if you get hit by a Hook during it;

- Obsidian Destroyer's Essence Aura sometimes triggers on Basilius, Astral Imprisonment increases duration of all heals / buffs, and if you use Imprisonment during Cold Embrace, the hero will lose armor bonus but won't be able to move for 4 seconds;

- Spectre's Spectral Dagger is autistic, the terrain doesn't always let you pass properly, sometimes you have to wait for dagger to reach it's full length while sometimes it just won't let you pass at all;

- Lanaya's Psi Blade can be exploited into dealing massive damage via single hit. Like, you can legit stack damage with Psi Blades if you know what you're doing. Also, for some reason Dagon interacts with Psi Blade, which isn't too useful but it's retarded;

- If you send too many commands in the beginning of the game, there's a chance that your hero will simply "freeze", and you can literally just quit the game. Also, if you hold your mouse cursor in a wrong place at the beginning of the game, the text description can be "stuck" on the bottom right corner next to hero commands and it will stay there the entire game. Has no impact to the game, it's just annoying and retarded;

- Legion Commander's Moment of Courage is broken since it doesn't have a proc interval, a person with a 2 digit IQ can farm in woods with him;

- Slark can use Shadow Dance during Duel if he uses Dark Pact before he gets Dueled. Also, Dark Pact disables almost everything, not OP at all I guess;

- Morph abilities are like, super bugged. They kind of always were, but still, there are less bugs regarding those in 6.85k I'd say;

- Tauren Chieftain's Echo Stomp will turn from "Sleep" to "Stun" if a hero uses a stun based spell right after it collides. A five second stun, fun and interactive;

- Multiple retarded interactions with Abaddon's Borrowed Time, it triggers during Duel and it doesn't lose cooldown, it triggers at random without losing cooldown if multiple spells were cast on Abaddon, that's not the case in 6.85k;

- Several bugs with Infest, if someone uses Helm of Dominator on an infested creep Naix can't get out, there were cases in which Doom used Ethereal Blade on an Infested creep and then Devoured it, in which case Naix would "disappear" (you could still Infest out via circle on the bottom right of the map, but not many people know about that);

As for Axe and Berserker's Call, Jesus Christ dude, just mark your hero with Ctrl + 1 and spam it whenever Axe calls you. You can't possibly tell me that's hard, and you can't say it's not the same since you literally couldn't use spells / items during Call in previous versions.

I'm sure I've excluded some bugs, and I'm too lazy to google it (more like, I don't care THAT much), but feel free to post some more if you guys remember.

and another game breaking bug is sometimes when courier dies it never respawns again gone with items inside. Not sure if OP played this map obviously ice frog implemented this map with 0 effort one of the worst dota maps ive played
cen update the map please

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Yes, the dota 1 courier has never been "clever", that's how it has been in ALL the goddamn fucking official versions, so this argument is automatically excluded as far as I'm concerned, and yes, there's the lycan bug that makes the hero unplayable, (big deal, no one plays that boring shit anyway), however, that's pretty much it.
I'm very curious about these 998 other wrong things about 6.83d though, because for the life of me I can't recall any. I'm eagerly waiting for them to be pointed out to me.

If we speak about these dragodog versions though, like, are you actually for real ? Are you ok with playing a map that basically says "lol fuck your game, you can't select your hero anymore cuz i like axe more than i like other heroes" or "lol let's put a bannable illegal cheat right into the fucking game with camera hacks, cuz fuck this game" ? It has always been fucking illegal bannable cheat in every single fucking official dota 1 and dota 2 version, but dragodog says lol let's put it anyway. Basically this imbecile is taking a gigantic shit on anyone that plays this game, and yet you seem to be fine with it ... Why is that ? I really don't understand.

Anyway, looking forward to hear about those other wrong things about 6.83d, I'm very curious.

Also awaiting more opinions about this. So far option 1 is in the lead.

These are only the bugs and annoying things I remembered without even googling. Enjoy:

Spoiler for Hiden:
- Spiritbreaker is OP as fuck, Charge of Darkness disrupts Linken's Sphere without losing cooldown, Greater Bash triggers on the attack animation rather than on the actual hit (exploitable), Charge of Darkness has a ridiculous collision AoE. A guy with 2 digit IQ can be good with Bara in 6.83d;

- Linken's Sphere has an ENORMOUS amount of bugs, doesn't give a fuck about Dagon (just cancels it without even triggering), can block more than one spell sometimes, and in non-fix versions it can be exploited and sold while the effect remains on a hero as a passive buff;

- Monkey King Bar behaves like an orb effect even though it's not an orb, doesn't work properly with 80% of orb effect items / spells;

- Butterfly bugs upon activation, you lose passive Evasion, you can no longer activate it and you can't even sell it anymore;

- Rubick's Spell Steal bugs on multiple instances, can steal Empowering Haste and permanently keep it, can steal item effects (Linken's Sphere, Pipe, Crimson Guard) for some reason but can't use them properly, some spells don't even work for Rubick at all (such as Sniper's Shrapnel);

- Spells such as Burning Spear and Poison Attack can be exploited to enhance Huskar's and Viper's attack range (if used properly);

- Illusions are just BS in general, zero benefit from attack speed items / effects, group select is autistic in 6.83d, not sure how to feel about it;

- Various bugs with Void's Time Walk, can nearly double the jump length if you properly target a tree, can increase / decrease accuracy with Phase Boots, and you fly across the map if you get hit by a Hook during it;

- Obsidian Destroyer's Essence Aura sometimes triggers on Basilius, Astral Imprisonment increases duration of all heals / buffs, and if you use Imprisonment during Cold Embrace, the hero will lose armor bonus but won't be able to move for 4 seconds;

- Spectre's Spectral Dagger is autistic, the terrain doesn't always let you pass properly, sometimes you have to wait for dagger to reach it's full length while sometimes it just won't let you pass at all;

- Lanaya's Psi Blade can be exploited into dealing massive damage via single hit. Like, you can legit stack damage with Psi Blades if you know what you're doing. Also, for some reason Dagon interacts with Psi Blade, which isn't too useful but it's retarded;

- If you send too many commands in the beginning of the game, there's a chance that your hero will simply "freeze", and you can literally just quit the game. Also, if you hold your mouse cursor in a wrong place at the beginning of the game, the text description can be "stuck" on the bottom right corner next to hero commands and it will stay there the entire game. Has no impact to the game, it's just annoying and retarded;

- Legion Commander's Moment of Courage is broken since it doesn't have a proc interval, a person with a 2 digit IQ can farm in woods with him;

- Slark can use Shadow Dance during Duel if he uses Dark Pact before he gets Dueled. Also, Dark Pact disables almost everything, not OP at all I guess;

- Morph abilities are like, super bugged. They kind of always were, but still, there are less bugs regarding those in 6.85k I'd say;

- Tauren Chieftain's Echo Stomp will turn from "Sleep" to "Stun" if a hero uses a stun based spell right after it collides. A five second stun, fun and interactive;

- Multiple retarded interactions with Abaddon's Borrowed Time, it triggers during Duel and it doesn't lose cooldown, it triggers at random without losing cooldown if multiple spells were cast on Abaddon, that's not the case in 6.85k;

- Several bugs with Infest, if someone uses Helm of Dominator on an infested creep Naix can't get out, there were cases in which Doom used Ethereal Blade on an Infested creep and then Devoured it, in which case Naix would "disappear" (you could still Infest out via circle on the bottom right of the map, but not many people know about that);

As for Axe and Berserker's Call, Jesus Christ dude, just mark your hero with Ctrl + 1 and spam it whenever Axe calls you. You can't possibly tell me that's hard, and you can't say it's not the same since you literally couldn't use spells / items during Call in previous versions.

I'm sure I've excluded some bugs, and I'm too lazy to google it (more like, I don't care THAT much), but feel free to post some more if you guys remember.

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Phantom lancer can crash game using 2nd spell out of map bounds. (Perfectly fine and stable map)

Puck not getting assist gold/exp if he is in phase shift when team kills.

Storm passive triggering linken.

Courier can delete mines, because why the fuck not.

Gem not working while fenix uses sunray for whatever reason.

You can't move/sell agha from your inventory on some heroes.

And surely many more I can't remember atm.
« Last Edit: March 31, 2018, 06:37 pm by Akuma »

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^ version 6.83d fixed by h3rmit (from MyMGN) does not contain most annoying of these bugs btw

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^ version 6.83d fixed by h3rmit (from MyMGN) does not contain most annoying of these bugs btw

And dracolich fixed most of the bugs from current version we are playing, its not the point :D

The point is probably no map ever can be called "perfectly fine and stable" every one of them has some bugs.

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^ version 6.83d fixed by h3rmit (from MyMGN) does not contain most annoying of these bugs btw

Yea, version fixed by h3rmit has some of those bugs reworked, but there are still lots of bugs and possible exploits there. I've played it for a while now and I feel like 6.85k is still a bit better, taking everything into consideration.

I'm not saying 6.85k is perfect, there are things that grind my gears real hard, but compared to what I lived through in 6.83d I'd say it's not that bad. Besides, I don't think we can afford to actually go back with versions, but then again, what do I know, I play Dota once every week or so...

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I don't see much point in going back, its either stay on 6.85k forever or follow dracolich's maps. Perhaps you need to add the option to keep the current map to the poll

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Dissecting a poor argument, always so much fun. And what joy, today I'm bored enough to give in.

Source:
Spoiler for Hiden:
Yes, the dota 1 courier has never been "clever", that's how it has been in ALL the goddamn fucking official versions, so this argument is automatically excluded as far as I'm concerned, and yes, there's the lycan bug that makes the hero unplayable, (big deal, no one plays that boring shit anyway), however, that's pretty much it.
I'm very curious about these 998 other wrong things about 6.83d though, because for the life of me I can't recall any. I'm eagerly waiting for them to be pointed out to me.

If we speak about these dragodog versions though, like, are you actually for real ? Are you ok with playing a map that basically says "lol fuck your game, you can't select your hero anymore cuz i like axe more than i like other heroes" or "lol let's put a bannable illegal cheat right into the fucking game with camera hacks, cuz fuck this game" ? It has always been fucking illegal bannable cheat in every single fucking official dota 1 and dota 2 version, but dragodog says lol let's put it anyway. Basically this imbecile is taking a gigantic shit on anyone that plays this game, and yet you seem to be fine with it ... Why is that ? I really don't understand.

Anyway, looking forward to hear about those other wrong things about 6.83d, I'm very curious.

Also awaiting more opinions about this. So far option 1 is in the lead.

Let's go step by step.
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Yes, the dota 1 courier has never been "clever", that's how it has been in ALL the goddamn fucking official versions
Profound observation. There's a lot of clunky mechanics like this, which are not a result of intentional game design, but a result of designing around engine limitations.
Like all these chaotic, separate shops at base.
Or several hundred ability interactions that eventually just made it into canon, just because instead of being adressed people just got used to them.
Or hitbox issues.
Collision issues.
Pathing issues.
The whole pause mechanic and the way it's used.
Lack of interface for some relevant stats, some of which got crutched with custom chat commands (like movement speed), while others were left out completely (like HP and mana regen).
List goes on.

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so this argument is automatically excluded as far as I'm concerned
Unless courier interactions in 6.83d are identical to previous versions, argument is valid. I honestly don't remember.

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and yes, there's the lycan bug that makes the hero unplayable
And to be more precise, it's a gamebreaking bug that can't be played around or really dealt with once it triggers (unless I remember different Lycan bug).

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big deal, (...) boring shit anyway
That's just your opinion, you special snowflake.

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no one plays that
Link to stats backing this claim up, please?

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however, that's pretty much it.
I'm very curious about these 998 other wrong things about 6.83d though (...). I'm eagerly waiting for them to be pointed out to me.
No. No it's not. Refer to other posts above. Or google. Or common sense (and I mean common sense, not CoMMoN1337 sense).

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because for the life of me I can't recall any
I don't know, man. Poor perception? Poor memory? Maybe just willful ignorance. Difficult to tell for sure.

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If we speak about these dragodog versions though, like, are you actually for real ?
Wouldn't be a CoMMoN1337 post without ad hominem attack. You really overuse it though. As a result it's difficult to take you seriously, despite my best efforts.

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Are you ok with playing a map that basically says "lol fuck your game, you can't select your hero anymore cuz i like axe more than i like other heroes"
Yes, you can. Furthermore, using control groups is one of the most basic, fundamental mechanics of Warcraft III in general. I expected you'd know that.
Moreover, tedious as it may be, it can be played to an extent around it, unlike the Lycan bug.
Finally, if your line of argumentation is "6.83 is better than 6.85 because I like Axe more than Lycan", then it's a laughably weak line of argumentation. It's, again, an opinion (and not a particualarly well supported one, at that), not a fact.

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or "lol let's put a bannable illegal cheat right into the fucking game with camera hacks, cuz fuck this game" ?
A hack is a mean of gaining an unfair advantage through tampering with game in unintended ways to gain access to features or information that are not normally available. The moment camera distance setting is directly implemented into game, it becomes neither a hack, nor it's unfair - everyone have equal, out-of-the-box access to it. It's called a feature.
Whether a feature is healthy for the game or not is debatable. It's definitely been included in many other UMS's without causing an uproar.
Oh, and a little trivia. Did you know that both DotA and Dota 2 had this "camera hack" stock implemented for observers ages ago? So outrageous.

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It has always been fucking illegal bannable cheat in every single fucking official dota 1 and dota 2 version
Again, it was bannable when it was used where it was not intended, enabled through either modifying game files, of straight up hacking into game. Not when it was included as a map feature.
Like manabars. Remember manabars, that little oh so OP cheat we had banned over here since 2011? Warcraft III couldn't do it on its own so clearly it was wrong. But, turns out, it's a Dota 2 feature now that it's not limited by old engine (sidenote: you brought Dota 2 into this). All it took was making it accessible equally for everyone.
Another trivia, this time strictly Dota 2 related: did you know that changing your aspect ratio still affects your field of vision quite significantly, and it's neither a hack nor considered bannable in any way? I recall some madmen play around with custom screen resolutions until they could see radiant fountain and radiant tier 2 bottom tower at the same time.

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but dragodog says lol let's put it anyway. Basically this imbecile is taking a gigantic shit on anyone that plays this game
Translation: "I disagree with your opinion, therefore you're stupid". More argumentum ad hominem. You're the one taking shit here.

If you at least argumented along the lines of "changing camera distance and general field of view affects gameplay in negative way and I think implementing it is a big mistake", I'd at least have something to agree with.
But naaaah. Let's just fucking call names, fucking throw a fuck here, and a fucking fuck there, so every-fucking-one knows cummy is fucking serious.
See what I did there?

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and yet you seem to be fine with it ... Why is that ? I really don't understand.
You mean, someone has different opinion on things? Blasphemy.
Okay, more serious answer?
One - your custom weighing of different aspects is out of whack.
Two - Just because someone puts emphasis on different aspects, doesn't mean he's wrong.
Three - You seem to intentionally omit everything else, in case there was anything of value that could work against your case. Others won't necessarily do it though.


The rest contains nothing to comment on. So, to sum things up:

You made it abundantly clear you have issues with seeing things from a different point of view in general, both in-game and outside of it. Why is that? I really don't understand.

You also try to make a point that two issues with old map are no big deal, but two issues with new map are instant deal breaker. Putting poor argument quality aspect aside, try working on numbers too.

You also incorrectly claim that there's nothing else wrong with old map, while not naming more than two issues with new map. If it's this bad, I'm sure you can think of something else, can't you?

Anyway, looking forward to hear about those other wrong things about 6.85k, I'm very curious.
No, seriously. All I did see so far was "and so on" and "6.85k has it's own autistic moments", but nothing speficic. I'd legitimately want to hear what else people consider an issue.

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That's one long response div.ide. Well written and kind of on point though, no offense to anyone.

Didn't quote you because that would just look silly and would take too much space, but considering that you mentioned something I said, I figured I might as well just respond in order to back up my thoughts.

To be honest, I didn't really play 6.85k version so much, mostly because well, I didn't have much time over the last year or so, but I've seen some things that were kind of bugging me.

I don't know if the rest have this issue, but the thing that bothers me the most is a massive FPS drop after 40th minute mark. It's already dumb enough that I'm playing on ati radeon 4550 graphics card (which S U C K S ), but playing Invoker after 40th minute mark is hell for me. FPS by default sticks to about 45-50FPS, but drops down to 15 and less during teamfights.

Second thing that bothers me is that some auras (such as Vampiric aura in particular) are still active around the hero corpse. I'm not sure if it's meant to be like that or not, but I just found that to be odd. Still, not really significant.

Third thing that bugs me isn't really that important, but I noticed that Tinker doesn't always respond to shifted commands after you teleport to a creep. I'm used to shifting Dagger and March of the Machines right after teleportation (when split farming) and needless to say that most of my gameplay combos are based on item shifting, but Tinker just disregards those commands from time to time, and I end up dying in the most retarded ways.

I discovered this fourth thing quite recently so I'm not really sure how "valid" it is (I haven't tested it properly), but I noticed that the Batrider is quite "buggy". I played a game two weeks ago and I've encountered issues I never had in older versions, Dagger into Flaming Lasso wouldn't work at all, Flaming Lasso would break if you tried to move too quick after using it, there was this one moment in particular in which the hero literally froze after I tried using Flaming Lasso after Dagger and I ended up standing on a mid Tier 1 tower unable to move and died shortly afterwards. I'm not sure how many of you guys had this issue, but that one was brutally painful for my brain.

I've also encountered terrain passing issues with Bloodseeker after exceeding 600 movespeed, making it severely difficult to control him in some areas of the map, but that one isn't really too significant.

So that's basically what I have on 6.85k so far. Again, I haven't really played it for too long so perhaps I'm not the ideal person to judge it, but I'll check it out during the next couple of days and see if I can dig out anything else. Not that it will matter much though.

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Yes, the dota 1 courier has never been "clever", that's how it has been in ALL the goddamn fucking official versions, so this argument is automatically excluded as far as I'm concerned, and yes, there's the lycan bug that makes the hero unplayable, (big deal, no one plays that boring shit anyway), however, that's pretty much it.
I'm very curious about these 998 other wrong things about 6.83d though, because for the life of me I can't recall any. I'm eagerly waiting for them to be pointed out to me.

If we speak about these dragodog versions though, like, are you actually for real ? Are you ok with playing a map that basically says "lol fuck your game, you can't select your hero anymore cuz i like axe more than i like other heroes" or "lol let's put a bannable illegal cheat right into the fucking game with camera hacks, cuz fuck this game" ? It has always been fucking illegal bannable cheat in every single fucking official dota 1 and dota 2 version, but dragodog says lol let's put it anyway. Basically this imbecile is taking a gigantic shit on anyone that plays this game, and yet you seem to be fine with it ... Why is that ? I really don't understand.

Anyway, looking forward to hear about those other wrong things about 6.83d, I'm very curious.

Also awaiting more opinions about this. So far option 1 is in the lead.

These are only the bugs and annoying things I remembered without even googling. Enjoy:

Spoiler for Hiden:
- Spiritbreaker is OP as fuck, Charge of Darkness disrupts Linken's Sphere without losing cooldown, Greater Bash triggers on the attack animation rather than on the actual hit (exploitable), Charge of Darkness has a ridiculous collision AoE. A guy with 2 digit IQ can be good with Bara in 6.83d;

- Linken's Sphere has an ENORMOUS amount of bugs, doesn't give a fuck about Dagon (just cancels it without even triggering), can block more than one spell sometimes, and in non-fix versions it can be exploited and sold while the effect remains on a hero as a passive buff;

- Monkey King Bar behaves like an orb effect even though it's not an orb, doesn't work properly with 80% of orb effect items / spells;

- Butterfly bugs upon activation, you lose passive Evasion, you can no longer activate it and you can't even sell it anymore;

- Rubick's Spell Steal bugs on multiple instances, can steal Empowering Haste and permanently keep it, can steal item effects (Linken's Sphere, Pipe, Crimson Guard) for some reason but can't use them properly, some spells don't even work for Rubick at all (such as Sniper's Shrapnel);

- Spells such as Burning Spear and Poison Attack can be exploited to enhance Huskar's and Viper's attack range (if used properly);

- Illusions are just BS in general, zero benefit from attack speed items / effects, group select is autistic in 6.83d, not sure how to feel about it;

- Various bugs with Void's Time Walk, can nearly double the jump length if you properly target a tree, can increase / decrease accuracy with Phase Boots, and you fly across the map if you get hit by a Hook during it;

- Obsidian Destroyer's Essence Aura sometimes triggers on Basilius, Astral Imprisonment increases duration of all heals / buffs, and if you use Imprisonment during Cold Embrace, the hero will lose armor bonus but won't be able to move for 4 seconds;

- Spectre's Spectral Dagger is autistic, the terrain doesn't always let you pass properly, sometimes you have to wait for dagger to reach it's full length while sometimes it just won't let you pass at all;

- Lanaya's Psi Blade can be exploited into dealing massive damage via single hit. Like, you can legit stack damage with Psi Blades if you know what you're doing. Also, for some reason Dagon interacts with Psi Blade, which isn't too useful but it's retarded;

- If you send too many commands in the beginning of the game, there's a chance that your hero will simply "freeze", and you can literally just quit the game. Also, if you hold your mouse cursor in a wrong place at the beginning of the game, the text description can be "stuck" on the bottom right corner next to hero commands and it will stay there the entire game. Has no impact to the game, it's just annoying and retarded;

- Legion Commander's Moment of Courage is broken since it doesn't have a proc interval, a person with a 2 digit IQ can farm in woods with him;

- Slark can use Shadow Dance during Duel if he uses Dark Pact before he gets Dueled. Also, Dark Pact disables almost everything, not OP at all I guess;

- Morph abilities are like, super bugged. They kind of always were, but still, there are less bugs regarding those in 6.85k I'd say;

- Tauren Chieftain's Echo Stomp will turn from "Sleep" to "Stun" if a hero uses a stun based spell right after it collides. A five second stun, fun and interactive;

- Multiple retarded interactions with Abaddon's Borrowed Time, it triggers during Duel and it doesn't lose cooldown, it triggers at random without losing cooldown if multiple spells were cast on Abaddon, that's not the case in 6.85k;

- Several bugs with Infest, if someone uses Helm of Dominator on an infested creep Naix can't get out, there were cases in which Doom used Ethereal Blade on an Infested creep and then Devoured it, in which case Naix would "disappear" (you could still Infest out via circle on the bottom right of the map, but not many people know about that);

As for Axe and Berserker's Call, Jesus Christ dude, just mark your hero with Ctrl + 1 and spam it whenever Axe calls you. You can't possibly tell me that's hard, and you can't say it's not the same since you literally couldn't use spells / items during Call in previous versions.

I'm sure I've excluded some bugs, and I'm too lazy to google it (more like, I don't care THAT much), but feel free to post some more if you guys remember.
Lmfao, most of those aren't even bugs, just opinions, like "spirit breaker is op", lmfao, or husk and viper orb increasing range, yea, so do od and silencer and clinkz orbs, they also increase range, it's how the game always has been, and still is, even in dota 2, also stuff like salve-prison lasting extra time and stuff like that, again, that's how the game always worked, it worked like that for a while even in dota 2, it was just modified, same thing with "illusions are shit attackspeed doesn't affect them", it isn't a bug lmfao, it was how the game was before it was changed after. ta psi blades dealing extra damage isn't a fucking bug, the damage is increased because the psi blade damage is PURE, that's the reason and it still is the same in dota 2, also abaddon ult triggers during duel even in dota 2, did you copy paste some random trapem's player "bug report" from google about 6.83d or what ? lmao, because you are just saying random funny things at this point.
Dissecting a poor argument, always so much fun. And what joy, today I'm bored enough to give in.

Source:
Spoiler for Hiden:
Yes, the dota 1 courier has never been "clever", that's how it has been in ALL the goddamn fucking official versions, so this argument is automatically excluded as far as I'm concerned, and yes, there's the lycan bug that makes the hero unplayable, (big deal, no one plays that boring shit anyway), however, that's pretty much it.
I'm very curious about these 998 other wrong things about 6.83d though, because for the life of me I can't recall any. I'm eagerly waiting for them to be pointed out to me.

If we speak about these dragodog versions though, like, are you actually for real ? Are you ok with playing a map that basically says "lol fuck your game, you can't select your hero anymore cuz i like axe more than i like other heroes" or "lol let's put a bannable illegal cheat right into the fucking game with camera hacks, cuz fuck this game" ? It has always been fucking illegal bannable cheat in every single fucking official dota 1 and dota 2 version, but dragodog says lol let's put it anyway. Basically this imbecile is taking a gigantic shit on anyone that plays this game, and yet you seem to be fine with it ... Why is that ? I really don't understand.

Anyway, looking forward to hear about those other wrong things about 6.83d, I'm very curious.

Also awaiting more opinions about this. So far option 1 is in the lead.

Let's go step by step.
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Yes, the dota 1 courier has never been "clever", that's how it has been in ALL the goddamn fucking official versions
Profound observation. There's a lot of clunky mechanics like this, which are not a result of intentional game design, but a result of designing around engine limitations.
Like all these chaotic, separate shops at base.
Or several hundred ability interactions that eventually just made it into canon, just because instead of being adressed people just got used to them.
Or hitbox issues.
Collision issues.
Pathing issues.
The whole pause mechanic and the way it's used.
Lack of interface for some relevant stats, some of which got crutched with custom chat commands (like movement speed), while others were left out completely (like HP and mana regen).
List goes on.

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so this argument is automatically excluded as far as I'm concerned
Unless courier interactions in 6.83d are identical to previous versions, argument is valid. I honestly don't remember.

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and yes, there's the lycan bug that makes the hero unplayable
And to be more precise, it's a gamebreaking bug that can't be played around or really dealt with once it triggers (unless I remember different Lycan bug).

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big deal, (...) boring shit anyway
That's just your opinion, you special snowflake.

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no one plays that
Link to stats backing this claim up, please?

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however, that's pretty much it.
I'm very curious about these 998 other wrong things about 6.83d though (...). I'm eagerly waiting for them to be pointed out to me.
No. No it's not. Refer to other posts above. Or google. Or common sense (and I mean common sense, not CoMMoN1337 sense).

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because for the life of me I can't recall any
I don't know, man. Poor perception? Poor memory? Maybe just willful ignorance. Difficult to tell for sure.

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If we speak about these dragodog versions though, like, are you actually for real ?
Wouldn't be a CoMMoN1337 post without ad hominem attack. You really overuse it though. As a result it's difficult to take you seriously, despite my best efforts.

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Are you ok with playing a map that basically says "lol fuck your game, you can't select your hero anymore cuz i like axe more than i like other heroes"
Yes, you can. Furthermore, using control groups is one of the most basic, fundamental mechanics of Warcraft III in general. I expected you'd know that.
Moreover, tedious as it may be, it can be played to an extent around it, unlike the Lycan bug.
Finally, if your line of argumentation is "6.83 is better than 6.85 because I like Axe more than Lycan", then it's a laughably weak line of argumentation. It's, again, an opinion (and not a particualarly well supported one, at that), not a fact.

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or "lol let's put a bannable illegal cheat right into the fucking game with camera hacks, cuz fuck this game" ?
A hack is a mean of gaining an unfair advantage through tampering with game in unintended ways to gain access to features or information that are not normally available. The moment camera distance setting is directly implemented into game, it becomes neither a hack, nor it's unfair - everyone have equal, out-of-the-box access to it. It's called a feature.
Whether a feature is healthy for the game or not is debatable. It's definitely been included in many other UMS's without causing an uproar.
Oh, and a little trivia. Did you know that both DotA and Dota 2 had this "camera hack" stock implemented for observers ages ago? So outrageous.

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It has always been fucking illegal bannable cheat in every single fucking official dota 1 and dota 2 version
Again, it was bannable when it was used where it was not intended, enabled through either modifying game files, of straight up hacking into game. Not when it was included as a map feature.
Like manabars. Remember manabars, that little oh so OP cheat we had banned over here since 2011? Warcraft III couldn't do it on its own so clearly it was wrong. But, turns out, it's a Dota 2 feature now that it's not limited by old engine (sidenote: you brought Dota 2 into this). All it took was making it accessible equally for everyone.
Another trivia, this time strictly Dota 2 related: did you know that changing your aspect ratio still affects your field of vision quite significantly, and it's neither a hack nor considered bannable in any way? I recall some madmen play around with custom screen resolutions until they could see radiant fountain and radiant tier 2 bottom tower at the same time.

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but dragodog says lol let's put it anyway. Basically this imbecile is taking a gigantic shit on anyone that plays this game
Translation: "I disagree with your opinion, therefore you're stupid". More argumentum ad hominem. You're the one taking shit here.

If you at least argumented along the lines of "changing camera distance and general field of view affects gameplay in negative way and I think implementing it is a big mistake", I'd at least have something to agree with.
But naaaah. Let's just fucking call names, fucking throw a fuck here, and a fucking fuck there, so every-fucking-one knows cummy is fucking serious.
See what I did there?

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and yet you seem to be fine with it ... Why is that ? I really don't understand.
You mean, someone has different opinion on things? Blasphemy.
Okay, more serious answer?
One - your custom weighing of different aspects is out of whack.
Two - Just because someone puts emphasis on different aspects, doesn't mean he's wrong.
Three - You seem to intentionally omit everything else, in case there was anything of value that could work against your case. Others won't necessarily do it though.


The rest contains nothing to comment on. So, to sum things up:

You made it abundantly clear you have issues with seeing things from a different point of view in general, both in-game and outside of it. Why is that? I really don't understand.

You also try to make a point that two issues with old map are no big deal, but two issues with new map are instant deal breaker. Putting poor argument quality aspect aside, try working on numbers too.

You also incorrectly claim that there's nothing else wrong with old map, while not naming more than two issues with new map. If it's this bad, I'm sure you can think of something else, can't you?

Anyway, looking forward to hear about those other wrong things about 6.85k, I'm very curious.
No, seriously. All I did see so far was "and so on" and "6.85k has it's own autistic moments", but nothing speficic. I'd legitimately want to hear what else people consider an issue.

You can now post TL;DR to make point of your willful ignorance and keep doing your thing. Here are some samples for your convenience.
i'm not gonna bother wasting my time quoting step by step, but i'm gonna address your reply step by step

yea, no shit, that's what i'm saying, dota 1 courier has always been shit, that's nothing new

yes, courier interactions are identical in 6.83d as in previous versions, maybe don't speak just for the sake of speaking if you have no clue what you're talking about

blabla, 1 fucking irrelevant hero, there are plenty of stats on how played lycan is, it has never been a popular hero in pubs, it's only popular now in dota 2 cuz it's op as fuck, i don't remember a single fucking game where someone picked lycan while i played dota 1 in several fucking years at a time, maybe i saw like maximum 100 lycan picks in 10 years of playing this shitty game, and you're telling me it's a relevant bug ? lmfao
i don't need to show you stats, it's how it is, anyone who has played as much as i have knows this, again, don't engage in a discussion if you have no ideea how things are/have always been

lmfao, control groups, wow, what a news, control groups exist. who fucking cares if control groups exist, this idiot creates a map where his favorite hero, axe, randomly has an advantage pulled out of his ass for no fucking reason at all, and you say "but u can use control groups" instead of "lol what a pathetic map creator, why should i play on his map", extremely interesting view point you got there

that bullshit you wrote about the hack is absolutely hilarious btw, just because you give everyone the option of cheating doesn't mean it's not a cheat anymore, the game has never included a fucking camerahack inside of it in ANY official version and STILL doesn't in dota 2 even today. yeah, observers have camera zoomout option, how is that relevant ? players that play the game do not have that option, they never were allowed to have it, and those that add themselves that ability, get their accounts banned, like, lmfao, you're actually hilarious with your attempts of arguing just for the sake of arguing, you have absolutely no legitimate points, only bullshit, it's actually hilarious how clueless you are, cuz i'm sure you're not trolling, you're just fucking clueless and talk without knowing what you're talking about, very sad

and the mana bars are visible only to spectators/allied heroes, you can't see manabars of enemy heroes in dota 2, again, you talk without knowing anything, just for the sake of talking

and after this again you write some random butthurt bullshit which i'm not even gonna bother reading
you're actually hilarious div.ide, you dissapoint me, i thought you were smarter than this
^ version 6.83d fixed by h3rmit (from MyMGN) does not contain most annoying of these bugs btw

Yea, version fixed by h3rmit has some of those bugs reworked, but there are still lots of bugs and possible exploits there. I've played it for a while now and I feel like 6.85k is still a bit better, taking everything into consideration.

I'm not saying 6.85k is perfect, there are things that grind my gears real hard, but compared to what I lived through in 6.83d I'd say it's not that bad. Besides, I don't think we can afford to actually go back with versions, but then again, what do I know, I play Dota once every week or so...
every single version has bugs and exploits, 6.85k does also

at least 6.83d doesn't have a cheat implemented right inside it, which is a huge mockery to the game, or random unjustified bullshit like axe call deselecting your hero, simply because this map creator loves playing axe lmfao
I don't see much point in going back, its either stay on 6.85k forever or follow dracolich's maps. Perhaps you need to add the option to keep the current map to the poll
The discussion i wanted to have is official map vs unofficial maps basically, so further division of the poll is not really justified given this ideea

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With all due respect CoMMoN, when you end up writing so much ignorant BS there's no point for me to even try and make a constructive argument, simply because you're next level ignorant and you won't give a single fuck about anything I write.

In fact, probably the most suitable thing I can say right now is "meh meh meh, Axe is deselecting my hero, meh meh, GROW A FUCKING SET AND DEAL WITH IT YOU SISSY", cause it has the same amount of credibility as everything you wrote on this topic so far.

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Lmfao, most of those aren't even bugs, just opinions, like "spirit breaker is op", lmfao, or husk and viper orb increasing range, yea, so do od and silencer and clinkz orbs, they also increase range, it's how the game always has been, and still is, even in dota 2, also stuff like salve-prison lasting extra time and stuff like that, again, that's how the game always worked, it worked like that for a while even in dota 2, it was just modified, same thing with "illusions are shit attackspeed doesn't affect them", it isn't a bug lmfao, it was how the game was before it was changed after. ta psi blades dealing extra damage isn't a fucking bug, the damage is increased because the psi blade damage is PURE, that's the reason and it still is the same in dota 2, also abaddon ult triggers during duel even in dota 2, did you copy paste some random trapem's player "bug report" from google about 6.83d or what ? lmao, because you are just saying random funny things at this point.

I don't know what happened to you over the last two years while I was gone but dude, you've either gotten yourself infected by pub cancer, or you had an accident and lost 80% of your brain cells. I really have no idea how to handle such a huge amount of autism, stupidity, whatever the fuck this is, so I'm just going to blame it on Mother Nature and ignore it.

I am always up for a discussion and I try my best to respect everyone's opinion despite of how absurd it is sometimes, but at this point I would rather stare at the ceiling than trying to understand what's going on in your head at the moment. I’m trying my absolute hardest to see things from your perspective, but I just can’t get my head that far up my ass, so perhaps it's time for me to just give up.

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Jesus, there is so much strawman argument I could feed a horse for a year. Please, try to reply to things I said, not the things you made up for your convenience. Actually, maybe brush up on reading comprehension first.

As it is, you're about as on point and accurate as a stormtrooper, and devolving into level of incoherence of Mara. This is a lost cause.

Couple of notes though:

Your experience with DotA is not a valid representation of everyone else's experience with DotA. Claiming no one plays? Stats. Or. GTFO.

Revise your definition of word cheat. Your disapproval of a mechanic does not redefine language. We have no obligation to follow your ineptitude.

You repeat the same two arguments over and over again. I asked you for something else, but you repeat the same thing over and over again. It's like you can't come up with anything else, so you repeat axe and zoom like a mantra, over and over again.
It's like nazis did, repeating their slogans over and over again. Or soviets with their success propaganda broadcast in media over and over again. Or north korea praising their gloriuos leader over and over again. Unfortunately, repeating things over and over again only singnals you either have nothing else to say or you're not allowed to say anything alse.

The rest is so much autistic screeching it's not even worth going over.
Again.
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With all due respect CoMMoN, when you end up writing so much ignorant BS there's no point for me to even try and make a constructive argument, simply because you're next level ignorant and you won't give a single fuck about anything I write.

In fact, probably the most suitable thing I can say right now is "meh meh meh, Axe is deselecting my hero, meh meh, GROW A FUCKING SET AND DEAL WITH IT YOU SISSY", cause it has the same amount of credibility as everything you wrote on this topic so far.

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Lmfao, most of those aren't even bugs, just opinions, like "spirit breaker is op", lmfao, or husk and viper orb increasing range, yea, so do od and silencer and clinkz orbs, they also increase range, it's how the game always has been, and still is, even in dota 2, also stuff like salve-prison lasting extra time and stuff like that, again, that's how the game always worked, it worked like that for a while even in dota 2, it was just modified, same thing with "illusions are shit attackspeed doesn't affect them", it isn't a bug lmfao, it was how the game was before it was changed after. ta psi blades dealing extra damage isn't a fucking bug, the damage is increased because the psi blade damage is PURE, that's the reason and it still is the same in dota 2, also abaddon ult triggers during duel even in dota 2, did you copy paste some random trapem's player "bug report" from google about 6.83d or what ? lmao, because you are just saying random funny things at this point.

I don't know what happened to you over the last two years while I was gone but dude, you've either gotten yourself infected by pub cancer, or you had an accident and lost 80% of your brain cells. I really have no idea how to handle such a huge amount of autism, stupidity, whatever the fuck this is, so I'm just going to blame it on Mother Nature and ignore it.

I am always up for a discussion and I try my best to respect everyone's opinion despite of how absurd it is sometimes, but at this point I would rather stare at the ceiling than trying to understand what's going on in your head at the moment. I’m trying my absolute hardest to see things from your perspective, but I just can’t get my head that far up my ass, so perhaps it's time for me to just give up.

"with all due respect" then proceeds to flame me ahahah, what a guy

your words contradict themselves even in your latest reply, yet you think you are in a position to judge me or my ideas or you even presume to be able to understand my viewpoint ? you are clearly far too inferior mentally to be able to do that given your current reply

you think if you hide behind this fake "impartiality towards 6.85k" or even "dislike" towards it you are fooling anyone ? XDDDDDDDD well, chances are you are fooling pretty much everyone else, but i'm sorry to say that i read you like an open book, and that goes for div.ide also
div.ide is a funny case, he is a very well educated individual, but he is an educated imbecile i'm sorry to say, he wastes his time on proper grammar, nice wording, etc, but then when you actually look at the actual fucking content of what he writes, it becomes crystal clear that he is an idiot, obviously a very educated individual, but i'm sorry, still an idiot.
he kind of reminds me of university teachers, ppl that instead of saying a simple thing in a simple, fast, effective way, waste time wording it in a more complex or complicated fashion or simply unnecessarily lenghty it, to try to appear smarter or to simply waste the time so they can get back home, very amusing. they fool the masses of idiots, but people that are actually smart can see right through it

to get back to the point, every single fucking thing i said is true and you know it, but you simply can't handle it, you wanna hug your little hackversion deep in your arms, you hate me for wanting to take it away from you, i understand your frustrations, your inability to play the game as it was meant to be played, you really love having a camerahack, i understand, but it's not how the game is supposed to be played. i'm sorry to break your delusions, it's just the way it is

feel free to continue being delusional, facts remain facts no matter what you tell yourself kiddo
when you make a reply worthy of reading i may reply to it, however a quick glance through this one tells me not to bother with you, you are embarrassing yourself.