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Title: Betting game suggestions/any questions about betting
Post by: Akuma on April 13, 2018, 23:15
Since I noticed 10 players using this game, lets hear your suggestions and make some improvements.

Please keep suggestions in this topic - and use other topic for bets only.
Title: Re: Betting game suggestions/improvement topic
Post by: guest49825 on April 13, 2018, 23:18
My suggestion is to allow players to lend credits in case someone is out of credits.
Title: Re: Betting game suggestions/improvement topic
Post by: CoMMoN1337 on April 13, 2018, 23:19
Add more betting options

For example, a good one to add is, both teams to score at least one goal in the match, or one/both of the teams to not score in the match, or simpler written GG (as in goal goal) or NG (one or both don't score)

This option is also pretty close to reality as far as the "return" is, since the stake on these is pretty much always in the general vicinity of 2, so it's actually in balance with the whole "doubling" your bet that you have going in that thread.
Title: Re: Betting game suggestions/improvement topic
Post by: CoMMoN1337 on April 13, 2018, 23:24
Also maybe allow halftime+finaltime result too, and make it return triple your stake let's say, so if you bet 10 on it and win you get 30
and maybe correct score too and make it x4, so if you bet 10 on some specific score like 2-0 and you are correct you get 40

most times on the correct score one in real life you get way more than 40, like atleast 60, but whatever, and on that halftime/endtime you sometimes get 2 or less than 2 but on most non-clear-favorite matches it's either x3 or more on basically any halftime/endtime result

i mean these 2 options aren't exactly realistic either but then again neither are those simple 1 or x or 2 just randomly doubling the points every time, so you might aswell add these 2 also

the first suggestion though with the GG or NG is pretty much clearly good to double it if you win cuz it's very close to reality
Title: Re: Betting game suggestions/improvement topic
Post by: Akuma on April 14, 2018, 05:46
I was already thinking of adding goals related thing, half-full time result, as well as some combinations.

Gaining points does not have to be 2, but for the sake of keeping things easy it must be an integer, so yeah after we add these things previously said we can have 3x 4x 5x or whatever we agree upon.

Probably should increase starting credit as well, since most people are betting max ammount, and they can bankrupt in 2-3 days without good bets.

Probably have to increase number of bets to get on the ladder as well (5 can be done in one day on weekend)

Lending/Borrowing credits can be a good idea, since next month those who bankrupt won't be able to play after bankruptcy. But I need to regulate this - that only a person inside ladder can lend credits.

Title: Re: Betting game suggestions/improvement topic
Post by: CoMMoN1337 on April 14, 2018, 06:38
I don't think adding more credits for the sake of ppl not going bankrupt is a good ideea though, I mean you shouldn't even be limited on 10 credits max with 100 credits available, for example there's some half method, where you basically bet half your available money every time, and you will never run out of money and will most likely profit a lot if you know what you're doing

maybe increase max possible bet to 10% of current credits at the start of the new betting day, like if i have 110 i should be able to bet max 11 per game, this may complicate it a bit but not rly since u update the credits every time and verify current credits at start/end of each bet for everyone anyway

more options is basically the best ideea to improve this, more options and less restrictions, but ok i understand limiting bet possibility to like max 10% of current credits each game because since you can for example bet on a game with 1.01 real life stake to give you double the bet amount then it's obviously pretty silly to be able to bet all your credits on that when it's basically almost 100% guaranteed success
Title: Re: Betting game suggestions/improvement topic
Post by: CoMMoN1337 on April 14, 2018, 06:43
it would also be nice if you could somehow add the double possible final result in there too somehow
maybe make it give like half the credits
for example you bet 10 credits on liverpool bournemoth X2 final result so either X or 2 at the end and you win 15 if it's X or 2 at end
i mean that's how i'll bet today in rl for example, a ticket X2 on liv bourn, a ticket X2 on bayern mgladbach, a ticket X2 on barca valencia, and if any of these are correct, just 1, i'll still profit by betting same amount on all 3 of these,
since this isn't in the game already though i put the "less crazy" single final result on each of these there in that thread :D, even though the "more crazy" one is fully possible, and it kind of annoys me that i don't have this double final result option here now to be quite fucking honest :D
but it's also annoying cuz you could for example bet on psg vs metz 1X here, and that's like 100% success, betting agencies wouldn't even allow you to bet this they wouldn't even give you 1.01 stake lol, but i dunno, maybe it would be nice to have this too
Title: Re: Betting game suggestions/improvement topic
Post by: CoMMoN1337 on April 14, 2018, 06:54
Also if you truly wanna make this game realistic, you should just use the stakes from a betting agency and round each betting option in 4 possibilities

I mean:

1.25 1.5 1.75 2
2.25 2.5 2.75 3
3.25 3.5 3.75 4

etc

so if you have a game that your bet is 1.17 stake, you round that up to 1.25, or if you bet on a game with 1.37 stake, you round that up to 1.25, since 1.37 is closer to 1.25 than 1.5, if it's 1.38 then 1.5, if it's 1.75 then 1.75, if it's 10.8 then 10.75, you get the ideea

this basically isn't as difficult as you think, the stake numbers vary in time and are also a little different in each betting agency, but not by that much, and you could simply establish the stakes based on a betting agency when you post your selected games for the next day, you simply round them up based on a betting agency in those 4 options .25 .5 .75 .0, so then you just spell out the stakes for each betting option at each game you post, final result, gg ng, halftime/endtime, etc, i guess correct score one would be quite a pain since there are way too many possibilities so maybe just don't add this correct score option at all :D but the halftime/endtime isn't that difficult cuz only 9 options there, shouldn't take too long, and you shouldn't be bothered by the time it takes you to make it if you are serious about betting, cuz you shouldn't rush with your betting choices anyway you should think about them to maximize your winning chances

this would make this game truly great, for now it's sort of child's play :D

and for the sake of simplicity, if the credits x stake here is not an integer, you round it up to the integer number that's the lowest, like, if it's 10.1 credits earned, then you earned 10, if it's 10.9 credits earned, then you earned 10, this would also be quite realistic since they steal some of your money on tax too :D
Title: Re: Betting game suggestions/improvement topic
Post by: Akuma on April 14, 2018, 17:18
I don't think adding more credits for the sake of ppl not going bankrupt is a good ideea though, I mean you shouldn't even be limited on 10 credits max with 100 credits available, for example there's some half method, where you basically bet half your available money every time, and you will never run out of money and will most likely profit a lot if you know what you're doing

maybe increase max possible bet to 10% of current credits at the start of the new betting day, like if i have 110 i should be able to bet max 11 per game, this may complicate it a bit but not rly since u update the credits every time and verify current credits at start/end of each bet for everyone anyway

more options is basically the best ideea to improve this, more options and less restrictions, but ok i understand limiting bet possibility to like max 10% of current credits each game because since you can for example bet on a game with 1.01 real life stake to give you double the bet amount then it's obviously pretty silly to be able to bet all your credits on that when it's basically almost 100% guaranteed success

About bet limit - you already answered yourself. It's there to prevent things like:
Arsenal - CSKA 1  [100 Credit].

About making it 10% - I was thinking about that myself when I was creating it. I didn't put it because it would be very much related to "season opening".
If you have a good start - you could play safe, making high bets on safe matches and win season easily, while if you start bad, you can end up having max bet for example 4, and even if you start getting them correctly, it would require too much to climb up the ladder, while someone on top is making even greater distance (betting on same matches as you). People would probably start giving up on game after bad start and game would probably die or be played by 2-3 persons who had a good start and can actually compete among themselves after 10 days.

About increasing starting credits, its so you can't go bankrupt after missing 10 matches. And once goals/combinations will be added (with greater income, but greater chance to miss as well) its very possible to get 10 losing streak. (I mean there are people who bankrupted in 10 days in this "trial season" with just 3 possible outcomes to bet)

it would also be nice if you could somehow add the double possible final result in there too somehow
maybe make it give like half the credits
for example you bet 10 credits on liverpool bournemoth X2 final result so either X or 2 at the end and you win 15 if it's X or 2 at end
i mean that's how i'll bet today in rl for example, a ticket X2 on liv bourn, a ticket X2 on bayern mgladbach, a ticket X2 on barca valencia, and if any of these are correct, just 1, i'll still profit by betting same amount on all 3 of these,
since this isn't in the game already though i put the "less crazy" single final result on each of these there in that thread :D, even though the "more crazy" one is fully possible, and it kind of annoys me that i don't have this double final result option here now to be quite fucking honest :D
but it's also annoying cuz you could for example bet on psg vs metz 1X here, and that's like 100% success, betting agencies wouldn't even allow you to bet this they wouldn't even give you 1.01 stake lol, but i dunno, maybe it would be nice to have this too

You pretty much answered yourself here, its to prevent bets on these "fails 1 in a 10000 times" that aren't even an option in real betting.
However there is a possibility of adding this in combination with goals (those combinations I was talking earlier)
for example betting 1X & 2-3 goals could be a safer way of betting 1&2-3 goals giving a bit less income.

Also if you truly wanna make this game realistic, you should just use the stakes from a betting agency and round each betting option in 4 possibilities

I mean:

1.25 1.5 1.75 2
2.25 2.5 2.75 3
3.25 3.5 3.75 4

etc

so if you have a game that your bet is 1.17 stake, you round that up to 1.25, or if you bet on a game with 1.37 stake, you round that up to 1.25, since 1.37 is closer to 1.25 than 1.5, if it's 1.38 then 1.5, if it's 1.75 then 1.75, if it's 10.8 then 10.75, you get the ideea

this basically isn't as difficult as you think, the stake numbers vary in time and are also a little different in each betting agency, but not by that much, and you could simply establish the stakes based on a betting agency when you post your selected games for the next day, you simply round them up based on a betting agency in those 4 options .25 .5 .75 .0, so then you just spell out the stakes for each betting option at each game you post, final result, gg ng, halftime/endtime, etc, i guess correct score one would be quite a pain since there are way too many possibilities so maybe just don't add this correct score option at all :D but the halftime/endtime isn't that difficult cuz only 9 options there, shouldn't take too long, and you shouldn't be bothered by the time it takes you to make it if you are serious about betting, cuz you shouldn't rush with your betting choices anyway you should think about them to maximize your winning chances

this would make this game truly great, for now it's sort of child's play :D

and for the sake of simplicity, if the credits x stake here is not an integer, you round it up to the integer number that's the lowest, like, if it's 10.1 credits earned, then you earned 10, if it's 10.9 credits earned, then you earned 10, this would also be quite realistic since they steal some of your money on tax too :D

Well while this is a really good idea - but I simply can't do this.

It would take me (or anyone else) too much time to check and copy odds online and since we will be adding more options it would mean even more odds I would need to check/copy. (my posts would be very long and with very much numbers, plenty of room for making a mistake), and the calculations later would pretty much make me waste even more time (also plenty of room of making another mistake, in calculations this time, since it would require a calculator to count these. Sooner or later I would hit wrong number, get bad result, get pissed off myself, etc).

I completely understand your point, but look it from another side - those betting agencies have many people earning thousands of euros giving the most realistic odds as possible. This is just a game with imaginary creidits, and I am not getting any money out of it :D
Title: Re: Betting game suggestions/improvement topic
Post by: Mara on April 14, 2018, 17:54
i think its ok everything like it is just remove that over when u got 0 and allow to get in -   or we start from 0 cr.
XD
Title: Re: Betting game suggestions/improvement topic
Post by: Renovatio on April 14, 2018, 19:08
Dude, it wasnt such a big debate not even for psr balancing formula... You got 10 players but the ones you were expecting to have (staff and the usual active guys + 1 guy that is the third wheel to a bike, if you get what I mean).

So: not a lot of guys, most likely some will actually get bored and leave the game, not big/real prizes. Is just a small game and was purely intended for fun. Your idea is good. The fact that the system is easy made guys like me, mara, etc join. Just let it easy, dont overcomplicate yourself with hours of unecessary math calculations.

You said you will have to make 5 bets to get in scoreboard. I said that if I make only 5 and win some I will most likely win if the others keep betting. I repeat: the credits tendency is down. I dont know what calculations common did and how we are supposed to double/triple our credits but most of your players know shit about football and for them the chances are this: 33.33% to get a bet right (3 options) so it remains 76.67% chances for our credits to get lower. That's the down tendecy I was talking about and yea, common is right, is like that bcs we dont know this game, some of us dont even know how to read those football teams but this wasnt the game's intention.

We both know how and for what you started this game. Keep that purpose and dont listen to common's "im so smart the planet revolves around me" comments. This guy will place piss at least one of us, if you are "soft" he will make you change things just bcs he thinks he is smarter than you and then go offline for a few months. When he will come back he will forget about your game and spam other topics, pissing on other guys idea with "that is stupid, here is what smart me thinks".

We will all lose those credits. If you dont know on what you are betting the chances of losing credits are bigger (33% to get it right) and you will lose more by the number of bets. Just look AGENT. He gone bankrupt while you had 100+ crdits. Why? Cuse you were offline and he kept playing it not knowing what he bets. If you came when the season ended you would be the winner while agent would say " fuck this. im out". Keep them playing by taking into consideration their number of bets. You want active players not guys that bets 5 times and stops, waiting for others to lose their credits. If the number of bets count then no one will stop after a few.

You dont need to make the system more realistic, you need to make it more fun and if some of the players will try to "cheat" their way to get a free icon than just use the number of bets as variable to solve this problem. Easy to calculate, a system that everyone will get it without reading it twice, not time-consuming. Get the game active and get more players, dont limit it for the ones that dont know shit about betting and footbal cuse you dont have too many users anyway.
Title: Re: Betting game suggestions/improvement topic
Post by: Akuma on April 14, 2018, 22:39
Dude, it wasnt such a big debate not even for psr balancing formula... You got 10 players but the ones you were expecting to have (staff and the usual active guys + 1 guy that is the third wheel to a bike, if you get what I mean).

So: not a lot of guys, most likely some will actually get bored and leave the game, not big/real prizes. Is just a small game and was purely intended for fun. Your idea is good. The fact that the system is easy made guys like me, mara, etc join. Just let it easy, dont overcomplicate yourself with hours of unecessary math calculations.

You said you will have to make 5 bets to get in scoreboard. I said that if I make only 5 and win some I will most likely win if the others keep betting. I repeat: the credits tendency is down. I dont know what calculations common did and how we are supposed to double/triple our credits but most of your players know shit about football and for them the chances are this: 33.33% to get a bet right (3 options) so it remains 76.67% chances for our credits to get lower. That's the down tendecy I was talking about and yea, common is right, is like that bcs we dont know this game, some of us dont even know how to read those football teams but this wasnt the game's intention.

We both know how and for what you started this game. Keep that purpose and dont listen to common's "im so smart the planet revolves around me" comments. This guy will place piss at least one of us, if you are "soft" he will make you change things just bcs he thinks he is smarter than you and then go offline for a few months. When he will come back he will forget about your game and spam other topics, pissing on other guys idea with "that is stupid, here is what smart me thinks".

We will all lose those credits. If you dont know on what you are betting the chances of losing credits are bigger (33% to get it right) and you will lose more by the number of bets. Just look AGENT. He gone bankrupt while you had 100+ crdits. Why? Cuse you were offline and he kept playing it not knowing what he bets. If you came when the season ended you would be the winner while agent would say " fuck this. im out". Keep them playing by taking into consideration their number of bets. You want active players not guys that bets 5 times and stops, waiting for others to lose their credits. If the number of bets count then no one will stop after a few.

You dont need to make the system more realistic, you need to make it more fun and if some of the players will try to "cheat" their way to get a free icon than just use the number of bets as variable to solve this problem. Easy to calculate, a system that everyone will get it without reading it twice, not time-consuming. Get the game active and get more players, dont limit it for the ones that dont know shit about betting and footbal cuse you dont have too many users anyway.

The calculations will remain simple (as I told in my previous post here), I'm the last person who will take more work, and complicate things. Just the oportunities to triple or quadruple your bet will be there - and those are not problematic to calculate, as I said, gain will always be an integer.

About keeping active bets - I agree, and I already said 5 bets is too low. I will improve it to 20-30 or whatever number I find good after this first season (I'll get some stats after first month). I can't force anyone to make bets daily as well, this is for fun, and if you are late or forget - its completely fine, you will still be able to make to ladder once you bet tomorrow.

I was planning to add some more options even before common told his opinion (some people asked me this privately as well) - game will still remain the same, and everyone can keep betting as they did now. Adding the number of goals scored is a fun thing, and a combinations of outcome+goals scored will give more opportunities to "buyback" into game once you are losing. Its a more risky bet, but income would be 4x and even if you are low on credits you can get in action with one "lucky" bet (for now thats the idea).

Yes, I started this game for a purpose, and yes its still the purpose, but trust me I won't be the one changing things if things don't feel good (or make too much work for myself) - but common has a certain point which I relate to (since he is just like myself placing these bets in real life) and his point would probably be MY point if someone else was hosting this game :D - but this will always remain just a game, without too much complications, so that even guys that don't follow football much can find easy way in.

About losing credits - you are both right and wrong. Take my today's bet as an example - if result of last game I betted don't change - I'll be winning 40 credits (Already got 4/5). Luck is very much present in any betting game (yeah right I'm discovering electricity with this sentence) so even guys like Agent who follow football and bet from "knowledge" and not simple luck can have a bad streak. Also this is why I will increase starting credits - so people can't bankrupt in a week or 10 days. I'll call today's bet once again - after last games finish, Agent will be +30 or +50 depending on that last game outcome, and he will be back on 40-60 credits, and if he had more "starting credits" he wouldn't be bankrupt at first place, he would still be in game.

As I said in another thread - I approve those "loyalty bonuses" - so yes I am thinking of something to give to players that reach certain amounts of betcount - but still need to keep it fair (once again common is semicorrect here) what would stop people from placing just a lot of random bets if they know they are getting free hits everytime they do that, its like playing a bingo for free.

In the end I'll make one simple comparsion - you have more chance of winning in this game - then I have at winning SOTW contest, because even without football knowledge you can get lucky and win, without photoshop knowledge I simply can't win :)
(I made this comparsion just so you can see how easy this game already is, ofcourse "football knowledge" will give you some heads up - but look at Agent's case - and yes he follows football and bets irl, but he proved to be worse than you - a guy who claim "doesn't know much")

To conclude - don't worry, game will be as simple as it is now, with 2-3 additions mostly to bring even more fun (in my opinion).

Actually the idea of this game - I am already playing it for months with my RL friends (with more complicated rules - and season is 1 week so who wins gets a one beer from everyone else when we go out, also gets to pick matches and keep score for next week etc.)
Title: Re: Betting game suggestions/improvement topic
Post by: Renovatio on April 15, 2018, 11:11
Well, I did rushed with opinions, I was having a bad day, I know nothing about bets and I rlly dont like common so mby I talked nonsense but dont get me wrong, I was just trying to help you improve it. As you said, we need at least 1 month of this game to have an idea how is going. The tendency of our credits was down but considering that we cant have accurate stats in less than 1 month is the same like asking 10 people if they are gay, 9 of them being, and then saying 90% of the population is gay. Need more time and mby more players.

Anyway, I'm sure you will balance the game somehow without overcomplicate it. Was a good idea to open it, Akuma. GJ!

Btw, sincerely apologize to common if he found me hostile and stuborn.
Title: Re: Betting game suggestions/improvement topic
Post by: Renovatio on April 23, 2018, 11:11
I was wrong, after more players there and more bets it seems the credits' tendency isnt down.

I got confused by the results of players who know nothing about betting and/or sports: like me, Mara and Common.
Title: Re: Betting game suggestions/improvement topic
Post by: CoMMoN1337 on April 23, 2018, 20:47
aww you burned me so badly :(( i feel like crying :(( i will wipe my tears with all this money i made from real life betting :(( i'm losing game here :(( oh no :((
Title: Re: Betting game suggestions/improvement topic
Post by: Akuma on April 27, 2018, 02:54
Goals scored in a game to be added in May:

options will be:

0-1 goals
1-2 goals
2-3 goals
3-4 goals
4+ goals

Multiplier will remain 2x same as outcome.

Combinations:

Outcome + Number of goals  *Meaning if you miss any of those 2 your bet is a fail.

example: 1 & 2-3 goals ; X&4+ goals etc
Multiplier will be 4x if you bet 1 or 2 as final outcome
Multiplier will be 5x if you bet X as final outcome

 
Title: Re: Betting game suggestions/improvement topic
Post by: Mara on May 09, 2018, 17:42
i think it shld be just classic style only 1 X or 2
Title: Re: Betting game suggestions/improvement topic
Post by: Akuma on May 09, 2018, 18:47
i think it shld be just classic style only 1 X or 2

You can still keep betting like that, you don't need to use this added options.
Title: Re: Betting game suggestions/improvement topic
Post by: CoMMoN1337 on May 27, 2018, 07:59
add parlays (tickets with more matches on them for higher winnings)
they're like this in short for those of you that don't know:

if i wanna bet 10 credits on 3 games to succeed, one being x2 win if correct and one x3 and one x4, instead of the 10 10 10 investment meaning 30 total credit investment for each 10 and winnings of 20 30 40 so meaning 90 winnings, - 30 investment = 60 final actual winnings, 10 on 3 games together x2 x3 x4 => 10x2x3x4 = 240 winnings, - 10 investment = 230 final actual winnings

even in shorter cuz it wasnt that short above, instead of 10x2 and 10x3 like it is now, parlay betting, a ticket with both games with 10 investment is 10x2x3
so right now if you are sure that 2 games will be wins one being x2 and one being x3 and you put 10 on each its like this
10x2 = 20 -> actual win 10 cuz 10 investment
10x3 = 30 -> actual win 20 cuz 10 investment
so total of actual win is 30 and you risked 20 for it
with parlay bet ticket it will be like this
10x2x3 = 60 -> actual win is 50 cuz you invested only 10
but if any of them fail, you win none, upsides and downsides to this
it was actually lenghtier than above this paragraph lmfao, anyway

it's not difficult at all to implement let's be serious, you have integer numbers so the multiplying is easy and i assume everyone here knows how to multiply by now (at least i hope so)

and create more goals scored options somehow like, add for example these betting options:

0-2 goals
3+ goals
even 2+ goals
you could even add
1r 0-1 (first half 0 or 1 goals)
1r 2+ (first half 2 or more goals)
2r 0-1 (second half 0 or 1 goals)
2r 2+ (second half 2 or more goals)

for those of you that still don't understand because they don't know what parlays are, well first of all you could google it, but ok i'll just tell you here again in some word form, they are combined tickets, meaning, you put multiple matches on the same ticket, and if ANY of them fail, you lose the entire ticket, but if all of them succeed, you will win MORE than if you put separate tickets each game, because the wins are multiplied with each other and with your stake
more details here if you are STILL fucking confused (which wouldn't surprise me honestly, given the content of some topics here) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parlay_(gambling)

if you add these first half only goals scored option and second half only goals scored option you need to put halftime and endtime score when you display results

can be done in not so lenghty way like this:

real madrid - liverpool   3:1 (0:0)

in the () brackets it's the half time score and you can just say that once in the start of the thread and be done with it,

and since you mostly put up only games that are popular here from what i've noticed, those games have clear display of half time score also on big result sites like livescore dot com,
(some lesser known games don't have half time score displayed on most big result sites, and you have to search a bit more for them, i mean most of these lesser known ones aren't even displayed on most big result sites xd, but this of course will absolutely never be the case on these games that you put here cuz they are big games, what i said here with half time not being displayed on most big result sites happens mostly in like 3rd division leagues, female leagues, etc)
(oh and actually i've just realized now that you were already doing this, because of adding those halftime/endtime result options :DDDD haha)

anyway

if you add parlay betting, and these more goals options (especially these i mentioned), i think it will be great
Title: Re: Betting game suggestions/improvement topic
Post by: Akuma on May 29, 2018, 02:02
add parlays (tickets with more matches on them for higher winnings)
they're like this in short for those of you that don't know:

if i wanna bet 10 credits on 3 games to succeed, one being x2 win if correct and one x3 and one x4, instead of the 10 10 10 investment meaning 30 total credit investment for each 10 and winnings of 20 30 40 so meaning 90 winnings, - 30 investment = 60 final actual winnings, 10 on 3 games together x2 x3 x4 => 10x2x3x4 = 240 winnings, - 10 investment = 230 final actual winnings

even in shorter cuz it wasnt that short above, instead of 10x2 and 10x3 like it is now, parlay betting, a ticket with both games with 10 investment is 10x2x3
so right now if you are sure that 2 games will be wins one being x2 and one being x3 and you put 10 on each its like this
10x2 = 20 -> actual win 10 cuz 10 investment
10x3 = 30 -> actual win 20 cuz 10 investment
so total of actual win is 30 and you risked 20 for it
with parlay bet ticket it will be like this
10x2x3 = 60 -> actual win is 50 cuz you invested only 10
but if any of them fail, you win none, upsides and downsides to this
it was actually lenghtier than above this paragraph lmfao, anyway

it's not difficult at all to implement let's be serious, you have integer numbers so the multiplying is easy and i assume everyone here knows how to multiply by now (at least i hope so)

and create more goals scored options somehow like, add for example these betting options:

0-2 goals
3+ goals
even 2+ goals
you could even add
1r 0-1 (first half 0 or 1 goals)
1r 2+ (first half 2 or more goals)
2r 0-1 (second half 0 or 1 goals)
2r 2+ (second half 2 or more goals)

for those of you that still don't understand because they don't know what parlays are, well first of all you could google it, but ok i'll just tell you here again in some word form, they are combined tickets, meaning, you put multiple matches on the same ticket, and if ANY of them fail, you lose the entire ticket, but if all of them succeed, you will win MORE than if you put separate tickets each game, because the wins are multiplied with each other and with your stake
more details here if you are STILL fucking confused (which wouldn't surprise me honestly, given the content of some topics here) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parlay_(gambling)

if you add these first half only goals scored option and second half only goals scored option you need to put halftime and endtime score when you display results

can be done in not so lenghty way like this:

real madrid - liverpool   3:1 (0:0)

in the () brackets it's the half time score and you can just say that once in the start of the thread and be done with it,

and since you mostly put up only games that are popular here from what i've noticed, those games have clear display of half time score also on big result sites like livescore dot com,
(some lesser known games don't have half time score displayed on most big result sites, and you have to search a bit more for them, i mean most of these lesser known ones aren't even displayed on most big result sites xd, but this of course will absolutely never be the case on these games that you put here cuz they are big games, what i said here with half time not being displayed on most big result sites happens mostly in like 3rd division leagues, female leagues, etc)
(oh and actually i've just realized now that you were already doing this, because of adding those halftime/endtime result options :DDDD haha)

anyway

if you add parlay betting, and these more goals options (especially these i mentioned), i think it will be great

about parlays - I was thinking about adding them as next step (When I bet irl I mostly bet parlays anyway) --> so this is possible and I will probably add it for world cup.

About more goalscoring opportunities - I wanted to put 0-2 and 3+ at first.
But in reality they are closer to 1.5 than to 2 so I made more complicated guessing chance (which is a bit higher than 2.00 in most of the case )

about goals at halftime - I don't think we need that kind of option yet - maybe in future (since after worldcup there will be break (no matches played etc))
Title: Re: Betting game suggestions/improvement topic
Post by: efko.aqw on August 28, 2018, 01:26
I was thinking, there is no point to bet on single game, or there should be specific rules for that. Minimum games should be 3 for regular bets, for specific should be different rules. Also there can be games where Real, Barsa and PSG are playing vs weak teams, betting on single game and putting 10 points means 95% to win each.
Title: Re: Betting game suggestions/improvement topic
Post by: Akuma on August 28, 2018, 03:17
I was thinking, there is no point to bet on single game, or there should be specific rules for that. Minimum games should be 3 for regular bets, for specific should be different rules. Also there can be games where Real, Barsa and PSG are playing vs weak teams, betting on single game and putting 10 points means 95% to win each.

Perhaps you are right, but it actually depends of the match, teams you suggested are "very easy win" in most of the cases, when I was choosing games, I preffered to skip these 1.15, 1.20 games for this sake.

Getting a Single for some some equal teams, is still enough of a challenge, so I disagree that singles should be removed completely, (also there are days, when there are not much games, like Mondays, Fridays) but having some regulation of this kind during the weekend games could be nice I agree. I'm sure tehnika will think of something to improve it.
About parlays-combinations (since this is what you are suggesting I think) they should/will probably be introduced soon, I guess, its up to tehnika.
Title: Re: Betting game suggestions/improvement topic
Post by: tehnika8x8 on August 28, 2018, 15:43
When I joined this game, it was interesting that I could bet
 on everything without any consequences (losing money, nerves...)
I think that the singles are all right because you can bet on the whole offer of that day and finally see what your passage is
and in addition to winning a loan. Because when I put all those matches on one ticket, the transit of such a ticket would never be
and my loan would have been declining steadily. Again, the goal of this game is to have fun and play fair games.
Luck in this game is also a big factor, and again at the end of the month its interesting for me to see who I was on the table and
what was the month about the passage.

As far as the rules themselves are concerned, there will be a change. There will be an option of ticket because with little knowledge of happiness and experience can be won
a lot of credits. The ticket is primarily good in itself because the winnings are multiplied. For example, two hit pairs on a ticket
bring more credits than two pairs in singles, so if you fall on one pair in the ticket, you lose 10 credits
and in the case of singles you are on a positive zero. This makes the game even more interesting. The ticket is very good because with a little credit
a lot of credits can be won. For example, games that bring 2x higher gain 4x and 5x are played. When multiply it is 40x with
only maximum 10 credits won 400 credits in just three pairs. Which makes this game extremely interesting in the competition.

As far as the so-called ones are concerned pre-won matches with small odds (1.15, 1.20), I have nothing against it because transience
its bigger. And we all love more to get than to lose. Everything depends on how s finds. Its all about knowledge, happiness and experience.

I will not change the offer of games because I really like it. Akuma made this a great idea and I leave the autenticity of this game.
I will only change the evaluation of X and X-X. because they are not easy to guess and I think they bring some low.
I would not be wasting you at the moment with various games. I think that at this moment it is quite enough and in the future
we'll see. There will be some special offers and so on...

The Parlay (Ticket) option should start when this season (month) bet has ended. You will be notified later...
I just do not know if couples who are featured in the ticket can play in singles later.
I'd like you to help me decide, to write me your suggestion here


Regards
Title: Re: Betting game suggestions/improvement topic
Post by: Akuma on August 29, 2018, 01:17
Quote
I will only change the evaluation of X and X-X. because they are not easy to guess and I think they bring some low.

I absolutely agree, I was about to change this one, in next update as well, Good job.

Quote
I just do not know if couples who are featured in the ticket can play in singles later.
I'd like you to help me decide, to write me your suggestion here

I think 1 match = 1 bet. Players have the freedom to decide if they will bet it on single or in parlay, but not more than once (it can probably cause some abuse, where someone will bet on 5 possible combinations, since our "odds" are not really realistic (they are just for fun))
Title: Re: Betting game suggestions/improvement topic
Post by: Akuma on August 31, 2018, 09:25
A suggestion, since you improved X and X-X very good, I think you should improve X-1 and X-2 a bit (after all you need to hit a halftime X) ant they are harder to hit than 1-1 or 2-2 (when a dominating team plays)

make them 5x imho, but its up to you, if you decide to leave it as it is now, is fine too with me.
Title: Re: Betting game suggestions/improvement topic
Post by: tehnika8x8 on August 31, 2018, 10:52
A suggestion, since you improved X and X-X very good, I think you should improve X-1 and X-2 a bit (after all you need to hit a halftime X) ant they are harder to hit than 1-1 or 2-2 (when a dominating team plays)

make them 5x imho, but its up to you, if you decide to leave it as it is now, is fine too with me.
I agree with you. Will be changed
Title: Re: Betting game suggestions/improvement topic
Post by: efko.aqw on September 06, 2018, 01:15
I don't get why I always have to go to the rules before betting. Why some betting types are not on the list, have to look non-stop on the 1st post from another topic in order to participate.
Title: Re: Betting game suggestions/improvement topic
Post by: Akuma on September 06, 2018, 02:02
Basically your last bet was:
Quote
20:45  Gibraltar  -  Macedonia    2-2 & 3+
20:45  Latvia  -  Andorra     1-1 & 3+
$ [x20]

and since it was a parlay (ticket) you would win 25x the credit, which means 500 credits right.

In reality the quotes for these matches are WAY LESS than 5x (as its in this game), actually both of them combined (in one serbian betting service - I won't name it for the sake of nonadvertising) this combination is worth 4.64. (Screenshot 1) (Real outcome would be 92.80 - which is more than 5x less than it should be)

So your bet was basically "very safe" compared to credits you could've won if we allowed it. That's mostly the reason why 3+ was removed from options.

You can switch to 4+ and its still kinda "safer" than it actually is in real service, but its at least not as safe as this one and thus its more "fair" (Screenshot 2)

Anyway I just gave explanation why I created rules in this way - tehnika has any right to change them the way he likes, so if you come up with proper suggestion how to add some of the options without making game "too safe" he will probably do it...

Its kinda the same reason as you mentioned above with Barca, Real, Bayern... to stop "megasafe bets".
Title: Re: Betting game suggestions/improvement topic
Post by: tehnika8x8 on September 07, 2018, 09:16
Basically your last bet was:
Quote
20:45  Gibraltar  -  Macedonia    2-2 & 3+
20:45  Latvia  -  Andorra     1-1 & 3+
$ [x20]

and since it was a parlay (ticket) you would win 25x the credit, which means 500 credits right.

In reality the quotes for these matches are WAY LESS than 5x (as its in this game), actually both of them combined (in one serbian betting service - I won't name it for the sake of nonadvertising) this combination is worth 4.64. (Screenshot 1) (Real outcome would be 92.80 - which is more than 5x less than it should be)

So your bet was basically "very safe" compared to credits you could've won if we allowed it. That's mostly the reason why 3+ was removed from options.

You can switch to 4+ and its still kinda "safer" than it actually is in real service, but its at least not as safe as this one and thus its more "fair" (Screenshot 2)

Anyway I just gave explanation why I created rules in this way - tehnika has any right to change them the way he likes, so if you come up with proper suggestion how to add some of the options without making game "too safe" he will probably do it...

Its kinda the same reason as you mentioned above with Barca, Real, Bayern... to stop "megasafe bets".
Akuma is everything explain nice. Ty, btw... ;)
Title: Re: Betting game suggestions/improvement topic
Post by: tehnika8x8 on September 08, 2018, 04:33
I don't get why I always have to go to the rules before betting. Why some betting types are not on the list, have to look non-stop on the 1st post from another topic in order to participate.
Because we dont want to be like everything and everywhere and 1st post from topic dont need you only for rules. Also you can follow scoreboard   ;)
Title: Re: Betting game suggestions/improvement topic
Post by: AGENT on October 02, 2018, 00:12
In new season only on matches Champions league and National league you will have a new special game option in offer:
3+


You can bet on goals scored in a match:
3+(three or more goals at the match)
- getting this correct gives you 2x your wager


You can bet on combinations (outcome + goals)
1&3+, 2&3+, X&3+, 1-1&3+, 2-2&3+, X-X&3+, X-1&3+, X-2&3+ and GG&3+
- this combination magnifies the first combination(outcome) x2 which means e.g. 1-1 getting this correct gives you 4x your wager with 3+(goals) you double x2 = 8x your wager
- and in case the first combination(outcome) e.g. 1-1 does not comes out and this 3+(goals) comes out, then it counts 1x your wager (like you did not even play)


I hope you understands, if in any case you have any suggestions, write here:
http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?topic=183675.0


Regards
GG&3+ shouldn't be counted as x8.
Also 1-1&3+ shouldn't be x1, should be x0.
Title: Re: Betting game suggestions/improvement topic
Post by: tehnika8x8 on October 02, 2018, 00:37
In new season only on matches Champions league and National league you will have a new special game option in offer:
3+


You can bet on goals scored in a match:
3+(three or more goals at the match)
- getting this correct gives you 2x your wager


You can bet on combinations (outcome + goals)
1&3+, 2&3+, X&3+, 1-1&3+, 2-2&3+, X-X&3+, X-1&3+, X-2&3+ and GG&3+
- this combination magnifies the first combination(outcome) x2 which means e.g. 1-1 getting this correct gives you 4x your wager with 3+(goals) you double x2 = 8x your wager
- and in case the first combination(outcome) e.g. 1-1 does not comes out and this 3+(goals) comes out, then it counts 1x your wager (like you did not even play)


I hope you understands, if in any case you have any suggestions, write here:
http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?topic=183675.0


Regards
GG&3+ shouldn't be counted as x8.
Also 1-1&3+ shouldn't be x1, should be x0.
You did not understand it well

GG&3+ brings 4x
1-1&3+ in the case of e.g. result:
Real Madrid 1-2 Barcelona (1-0)
Quota is 1x because 0x is not multiplicity. In your case you would lose bet, what I do not want. This is why this is a special offer  ;)

 
Title: Re: Betting game suggestions/improvement topic
Post by: Renovatio on October 02, 2018, 17:07
About this:
New season (month) will begin on Tuesday - where you will have a new special offer of the game

The winner of this season is @AGENT - Congratulations, you won three season in a row!! You deserve a special award

I just now noticed it. Let me know if you guys want the same icon but in different colors or different icons for multiple wins (I will select a few from which you can choose or you can search and post here the ones you wish).

Also, what thresholds should we use? 1, 3 and 5 wins or 1, 5, 10? Dunno how easy is to win a season and how many seasons can be played in one year. If you think some of you can win max 20 seasons in 1-2 years then 20 will be the max for award, to get some idea about how should we select the thresholds.

Bth, Tehnika or Akuma, feel free to split this topic (starting with my post) if you consider this to be in another topic. I saw you mostly talk about rules and ways of betting in this one.
Title: Re: Betting game suggestions/improvement topic
Post by: tehnika8x8 on October 03, 2018, 12:09
I just now noticed it. Let me know if you guys want the same icon but in different colors or different icons for multiple wins (I will select a few from which you can choose or you can search and post here the ones you wish).
For the three victories in a row, put the same icon as for the winner of one season. Only in golden color. Agent would like to  :) And for others winners in row, sees you already something if you will
Also, what thresholds should we use? 1, 3 and 5 wins or 1, 5, 10? Dunno how easy is to win a season and how many seasons can be played in one year. If you think some of you can win max 20 seasons in 1-2 years then 20 will be the max for award, to get some idea about how should we select the thresholds.
As far as rewards are concerned, they should be the winner of the first season and then winner three seasons in a row and five, seven and so on. We'll see it.
I think it's not easy to win several seasons in a row. Everything depends on the number of participants.
Bth, Tehnika or Akuma, feel free to split this topic (starting with my post) if you consider this to be in another topic. I saw you mostly talk about rules and ways of betting in this one.
You're in the right place  ;)
Title: Re: Betting game suggestions/improvement topic
Post by: Renovatio on October 03, 2018, 14:08
Are you sure you want these only for winning multiple seasons in a row? I was thinking at some scoreboard and giving award to someone when he reach some amount of wins (3, 5 etc), no matter when he won them. Wins in a row mean you can win 100 times at this game and still have the same icon if you lost, won, lost, won, etc

Is up to you. Will come back with icons later/tonight.
Title: Re: Betting game suggestions/improvement topic
Post by: tehnika8x8 on October 03, 2018, 15:32
Are you sure you want these only for winning multiple seasons in a row? I was thinking at some scoreboard and giving award to someone when he reach some amount of wins (3, 5 etc), no matter when he won them. Wins in a row mean you can win 100 times at this game and still have the same icon if you lost, won, lost, won, etc

Is up to you. Will come back with icons later/tonight.
We announce the winner at the end of each season (month) and anyone who wins for the first time in a season (month) should receive a reward such as my award. If same person wins the next two seasons, he means he has won three seasons in a row, and this is a great thing for me. Because I really do not think it's easy to be a winner for three seasons in a row and five or more is even harder and this is a very good success. There are several factors in the game. Not only knowledge but also happiness, of how many people participants and so on. I think it's the best way to split award. If you have any other idea, I will gladly consider it
Title: Re: Betting game suggestions/improvement topic
Post by: Renovatio on October 03, 2018, 18:28
Was suggesting to give award based on number of wins, no matter when you won. Your idea is good. It makes the award more valuable due to the fact is harder to get.

Will update this post with icons, still searching something good but my net connection drops from time to time.
Title: Re: Betting game suggestions/improvement topic
Post by: tehnika8x8 on October 03, 2018, 19:55
Was suggesting to give award based on number of wins, no matter when you won. Your idea is good. It makes the award more valuable due to the fact is harder to get.

Will update this post with icons, still searching something good but my net connection drops from time to time.
Take it easy, not run anywhere. It's not urgent  :laugh: Thank you for everything  :)
Title: Re: Betting game suggestions/improvement topic
Post by: Renovatio on October 04, 2018, 19:07
Made something using war3 icons. Let me know what you think.
Title: Re: Betting game suggestions/improvement topic
Post by: Jedivh on October 04, 2018, 20:11
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-vFvppJMkgJI/TvBasuYUUgI/AAAAAAAAArg/CYNaeuQ6iG8/s1600/greed.gif) what about this?
Title: Re: Betting game suggestions/improvement topic
Post by: tehnika8x8 on October 04, 2018, 21:57
Made something using war3 icons. Let me know what you think.
(http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=183675.0;attach=18057;image)
(http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=183675.0;attach=18059;image)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-vFvppJMkgJI/TvBasuYUUgI/AAAAAAAAArg/CYNaeuQ6iG8/s1600/greed.gif) what about this?
I like everything. :D I simply do not know which one to decide. @Akuma help me a little,this topic is your idea. You see I'm in trouble, give some suggestion  ??? :)
Title: Re: Betting game suggestions/improvement topic
Post by: Akuma on October 04, 2018, 23:13
 Imo agent should pick it - since he is the first triple winner.

You actually don't even have to choose just take one for 3 and one for 5 times in a row...
Title: Re: Betting game suggestions/improvement topic
Post by: AGENT on October 05, 2018, 00:37
Idk why we go with warcraft3 icons. Maybe we can go silver ball for 3x in a row ( silver color is hard to make out of black and white ball, or it is not ? ) and golden ball for 5x in a row. I doubt someone will win more than 5x in a row.
Title: Re: Betting game suggestions/improvement topic
Post by: _xpam_ on October 05, 2018, 00:47
Idk why we go with warcraft3 icons. Maybe we can go silver ball for 3x in a row ( silver color is hard to make out of black and white ball, or it is not ? ) and golden ball for 5x in a row. I doubt someone will win more than 5x in a row.

omg i can make 10x in a row
Title: Re: Betting game suggestions/improvement topic
Post by: tehnika8x8 on October 05, 2018, 01:49
Then like this?
(http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/awards/669.png)
bronze, three in a row
silver, five in a row
gold, seven in a row
Title: Re: Betting game suggestions/improvement topic
Post by: tehnika8x8 on October 05, 2018, 03:26
And I was thought something for the best of participants in Football Betting game.
like this: (http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=183675.0;attach=18057;image)  and
for the best won credits: (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-vFvppJMkgJI/TvBasuYUUgI/AAAAAAAAArg/CYNaeuQ6iG8/s1600/greed.gif)  same in colors bronze, silver and gold  :)
What do you think about it?

Title: Re: Betting game suggestions/improvement topic
Post by: Renovatio on October 05, 2018, 12:48
Idk why we go with warcraft3 icons. Maybe we can go silver ball for 3x in a row ( silver color is hard to make out of black and white ball, or it is not ? ) and golden ball for 5x in a row. I doubt someone will win more than 5x in a row.

If you recall most of us agreed using only war3 icons for awards but I guess we can make an exception in this case. Also, I thought those icons were relevant: golden shoe and golden ball are football awards, from what I know  ;D

Then like this?
(http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/awards/669.png)
bronze, three in a row
silver, five in a row
gold, seven in a row

Is imposible (for me) to make them like that from black. I can paint them but will look bad. I will have to change the background as well cuse those colors will not look good on white background, especially silver.

And I was thought something for the best of participants in Football Betting game.
like this: (http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=183675.0;attach=18057;image)  and
for the best won credits: (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-vFvppJMkgJI/TvBasuYUUgI/AAAAAAAAArg/CYNaeuQ6iG8/s1600/greed.gif)  same in colors bronze, silver and gold  :)
What do you think about it?

We recently removed a lot of awards and agreed about limiting their number. I think there are too many, especially for an offtopic game. How about 4? 1 win, 3 wins, 5 wins and 1 given for record of credits in a season, or something like that. Example: 1 guy gets 1005 credits and we modify the award description to "Record of 1005 betting credits". If another one gets 1010 we move to award to the new guy and modify it to "Record of 1010...".

If you get more than 5 wins in a row we can always make one more award but, for now, I think 5 will do.

Attached some similar ball with different color here, to make an idea how will look. I can make those 3 versions for it (gold, silver, bronze) but trust me on this one: will look bad. Is your call. I will search another ball icon, meanwhile. I think I need a "solid" one to make it look good.
Title: Re: Betting game suggestions/improvement topic
Post by: tehnika8x8 on October 05, 2018, 14:51
Do what you want and how you want. You know best what it can and what can not do. Give awards whatever you think is the most appropriate.
Title: Re: Betting game suggestions/improvement topic
Post by: Renovatio on October 06, 2018, 19:50
Do what you want and how you want. You know best what it can and what can not do. Give awards whatever you think is the most appropriate.

You are this board's/game's moderator. You decide what awards you want. I'm afraid I have to limit their numbers but this will be my only condition and will be temporary. If you get more participants I will provide you more awards. About awards being war3 related: I told you, we can make an exception. The problem with the icon you want me to make silver, bronze and gold awards from it is that I dont think I can do it in these colors and may look bad (meaning you and your participants will not like it). I didnt had time to searc icons today. I just got home a bit earlier and I'm tired. Will search them tomorrow. If you have something in mind or you want to search for some icon/picture to make icon just let me know. The goal is to make something that will look good for participants.

TODO:
-Award for 1 win (I guess will remain current icon)
-Award for 3 consecutive wins (Color?)
-Award for 5 consecutive wins (Color?)
-Award for more than 5 consecutive wins will be made if someone beats this record
-You said you want for participations and credit. Choose one of them and tell me how you want it to look (or provide icon/picture)
Title: Re: Betting game suggestions/improvement topic
Post by: tehnika8x8 on October 07, 2018, 12:06
TODO:
-Award for 1 win (I guess will remain current icon)
-Award for 3 consecutive wins (Color?)
-Award for 5 consecutive wins (Color?)
-Award for more than 5 consecutive wins will be made if someone beats this record
-You said you want for participations and credit. Choose one of them and tell me how you want it to look (or provide icon/picture)
I do not think it should be limited to five in a row, already set some goal. I know that the task is difficult but in life it should have some purpose(the goal), but how you want. You know better than me what's good for here.
Since it will not be easy to win these awards for this reason I have proposed rewards for the best participants in Football betting game and for the best won credits.
As far as credit award I thought they were awarded when someone won for example 5000+ credits in one bet then a award of 10000+ credits and 50000+ credits for example. I'm still not sure how many credits they would score for which one award, but they would agree. And for these awards I would like to be from w3, because this is such a platform. Especially for won credits I liked Alchemist the third spell icon. I think its original. Tnx @King Arthas for a good idea and your icons are not bad @Renovatio
In any case, I repeat, you know best what is good and what not for here.

Here are some icons that I found, maybe they some will suit:
1. set (https://i.postimg.cc/s2HgL968/download.jpg)

2. proposal (https://i.postimg.cc/gkXKJgbz/gold.jpg)

3. proposal (https://i.postimg.cc/765N29Jn/silver.jpg)

4. proposal (https://i.postimg.cc/VvdL1ST6/bronze.jpg)

5. proposal (https://i.postimg.cc/5NQNRCLK/gold.jpg)

6. proposal (https://i.postimg.cc/bYWqkwWx/silver.jpg)

7. proposal (https://i.postimg.cc/VkBwxB6g/bronze.jpg)

8. special proposal (https://i.postimg.cc/gJyBJ4Ct/chapions_league.jpg)

Greeting
Title: Re: Betting game suggestions/improvement topic
Post by: Renovatio on October 07, 2018, 18:09
Here you go mate, but you shouldnt have unrealistic goals, is bad for you...
Will make exception regarding awards cuse you did a good job here and you deserve the support that you want but I'm pretty sure no one will get the 5 and 7 wins in a row awards.

(http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=183675.0;attach=18057;image) - this one, you said you want it for participations. Tell me a description for it (set conditions to achieve it). I do not suggest giving it to whomever participate.

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-vFvppJMkgJI/TvBasuYUUgI/AAAAAAAAArg/CYNaeuQ6iG8/s1600/greed.gif) - this one for credits. Give description to it. I wont make 3 versions of it. 6 awards is enough, for now. Only this one, for credits, so think about conditions for it. Mby giving it to record number of credits, as I suggested, dunno, you decide.
Title: Re: Betting game suggestions/improvement topic
Post by: tehnika8x8 on October 07, 2018, 19:52
(https://i.postimg.cc/s2HgL968/download.jpg) - then we could reduce to 3, 4, 5 in a row or even better for 3, 5, 7, winning seasons anytime.

(http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=183675.0;attach=18057;image) - I thought this to you to decide which of the best participants should be rewarded. I do not have to wonder about everything.

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-vFvppJMkgJI/TvBasuYUUgI/AAAAAAAAArg/CYNaeuQ6iG8/s1600/greed.gif) - then this will be the best placed bet in the season.

What do you think of all this?
Title: Re: Betting game suggestions/improvement topic
Post by: Renovatio on October 08, 2018, 18:35
Hmm, would be nice to hear some opinions from participants.

I think would be best if you give awards for all time wins. Winning in a row is harder and most of the participants will not get awards.


For participation award: will be hard to track them cuse you will have to award this based on number of participations. Meaning you will have to count bets for every participant.

For credits: better the best placed bet of all time, imo, and would mean it can be held by only 1 guy at a time: the record holder. If you give it to best placed bet in the season chances are that many guys will get it. Easy to get awards arent valuable and wont motivate too much.

The thing with awards/achievements is that it can motivate participants/players to do some things based on the conditions placed by said awards: making them participate more often, trying more to win, trying to break records; this is why you shouldnt have easy conditions but nor too hard conditions either. If your awards are unreachable participants will get discouraged, if there are too easy to get they will lack interest once they win them all. This is why I think is best to give the coin only to the record breaker, so others can try their luck/knowledge to break that record and hold on to it as much as they can and to make the golden ball to 10 wins condition. For participation: I have no idea how to do it without counting bets like Akuma did it in the 1st season. The problem is that you will have to count stats for all the seasons and keep that count going on.


Also, is important to have a scoreboard. Something like:
+-------------+------+------+-------------+
| Participant | Wins | Bets | Highest bet |
+=============+======+======+=============+
| tehnika8x8  | 3    | 85   | 1250        |
+-------------+------+------+-------------+
| AGENT       | 3    | 100  | 120         |
+-------------+------+------+-------------+
| xpam        | -10  | 1000 | -40         |
+-------------+------+------+-------------+
| etc         |      |      |             |
+-------------+------+------+-------------+


The columns should contain the variables met in your awards' conditions. If you dont give award for participation then you dont need to count the number of bets and therefore you dont need to have them in scoreboard, for example.
Title: Re: Betting game suggestions/improvement topic
Post by: Akuma on October 08, 2018, 19:41
First season was a test season, even rules changed by far since then, so it can be ignored.
(Just count +1 to tehnika's winnings since he won 1st one.)

Anyway as I said this game is fully moderated by tehnika now, efko left me as "game moderator" since game is my creation even though I told him its unnecessary, I don't even have time to bet, less to moderate it.. Tehnika is doing great job, and whatever he decides to do, change, add, remove has my full support.
Title: Re: Betting game suggestions/improvement topic
Post by: _xpam_ on October 08, 2018, 20:44
can we add 2,5 goal over/under or 3,5
Title: Re: Betting game suggestions/improvement topic
Post by: tehnika8x8 on October 08, 2018, 23:26
can we add 2,5 goal over/under or 3,5
We already have this game: 3-4 goals
I really like your sense of humor (delilik) :)
Title: Re: Betting game suggestions/improvement topic
Post by: tehnika8x8 on October 09, 2018, 08:34
Hmm, would be nice to hear some opinions from participants.
Mate, and I would like to hear their opinion.
I think would be best if you give awards for all time wins. Winning in a row is harder and most of the participants will not get awards.

  • Black ball for 1 win
  • Bronze ball for 3 wins
  • Silver ball for 5 wins
  • Gold ball for 10 wins
With this, I completely agree with you. Let it be so.  :agreed:
For credits: better the best placed bet of all time, imo, and would mean it can be held by only 1 guy at a time: the record holder. If you give it to best placed bet in the season chances are that many guys will get it. Easy to get awards arent valuable and wont motivate too much.
One who wins the highest credits in one bet(post) should get this title(award) and if someone skips it then award is removed and given to the one who skipped it. If you thinks about it, then I like it. 8)
For participation award: will be hard to track them cuse you will have to award this based on number of participations. Meaning you will have to count bets for every participant.
About this I thought it would be rewarded by number of posts. One post = one bets. Not important how much the bets was in post. Because if we count the number of bets in a post then users who use single game would have advantage of ticket users (parlay). It's not difficult to track. I do not need a separate section in the table, because I just return posts back and I count. I can track it without marking anywhere. We just need to get a deal via PM how many posts would be enough for a reward.
For participation: I have no idea how to do it without counting bets like Akuma did it in the 1st season. The problem is that you will have to count stats for all the seasons and keep that count going on.
This still valid, I'm lazy to track(I'm not Gondar :)). Because in case that two users have same number of credits, the one who had more bets (post) will be declared the winner or in the event that it is still unresolved, then bets in posts are counted.
Which means who more participates more gets. ;)

I really like yours scoreboard.  :y:
Title: Re: Betting game suggestions/improvement topic
Post by: Renovatio on October 09, 2018, 18:35
Awards created.
You can see them in your profile > awards list (http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=profile;area=listAwards;start=80)

Send me a list, once you decide how to assign the participation award. Something like:
<nickname> <award/s>
AGENT - Winning 3 seasons award / Participation award
Title: Re: Betting game suggestions/improvement topic
Post by: Renovatio on October 12, 2018, 15:02
Award for participation is ready. It was decided to be given for at least 50 bets (betting tickets = 1 or more bets from betting offer).
AGENT the Icon Seeker !awarded with (http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/awards/671-mini.png)
Akuma (-1 bet), AGENT, Renovatio, tehnika8x8 !awarded with (http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/awards/675-mini.png)

Tehnika, PM me with the nickname of the Football Betting Record Holder, I think is you with 1200-something but I'm not sure. Made you a table with the awards. It should be in a topic with a scoreboard or in 1st post from Football Betting Game (better in the one with scoreboard but is your call).

(http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/awards/669-mini.png)Winning 1 season of Football Betting
(http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/awards/671-mini.png)Winning 3 seasons of Football Betting
(http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/awards/672-mini.png)Winning 5 seasons of Football Betting
(http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/awards/673-mini.png)Winning 10 seasons of Football Betting
(http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/awards/674-mini.png)Highest number of credits won with a betting ticket
(http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/awards/675-mini.png)Making 50 bets in Footbal Betting
Title: Re: Betting game suggestions/improvement topic
Post by: tehnika8x8 on October 12, 2018, 18:04
Made you a table with the awards. It should be in a topic with a scoreboard or in 1st post from Football Betting Game (better in the one with scoreboard but is your call).
Congratulations to everyone on the rewarded awards

                     All changes and new releases will be at the end of the season (as usual) when we announce the winner of the current season.
         There will be awards for other participants who have reached them.
                              Until then we continue with Football Betting and I wish you a lot of luck..

Regards

@Renovatio I have a special reward for you because you help me a lot in everything (https://i.postimg.cc/wxDTPjtd/images.jpg). Tnx a lot  :)
Title: Re: Betting game suggestions/improvement topic
Post by: tehnika8x8 on November 24, 2018, 15:29
21:00  Lyon - St. Etienne  > 4

20:30  B. Leverkusen - Stuttgart  > 2

21:00  Leganes - Alaves  > 3
10x
@Jedivh
Obviously bro you never bet in real life and you don't know how it's going :)
For the beginning if you  want I will bring you into this world only if you promise me you don't do it in real life. Because you can lose money and nerves. So you're just playing here together with us from fun. Can it?   ;)
Ok, go on XD
to start only the basic game: 1 X 2

20:45  Atl. Madrid - Barcelona
       (home team)  (away team)


You guess which of these two teams will win or play unresolved.
Tags are:
1 - home team wins
X - draw(unresolved)
2 - away team wins

*if you think they will win out Atl. madrid ,to put mark (1)
20:45  Atl. Madrid - Barcelona 1
*if you think they will be draw,to put mark (X)
20:45  Atl. Madrid - Barcelona X

*if you think they will win out Barcelona,to put mark (2)
20:45  Atl. Madrid - Barcelona 2


In order to betting, you have to invest your own bet.
Every player starts season with 200 credits.Minimum bet is 1 credit
and Maximum bet is 10 credits on a single match and parlay(ticket).

*single match -(each bet separately per game)
18:30  Tottenham - Chelsea 1  x10 credits
15:30  Mainz - Bor. Dortmund X   x5 credits
18:30  Huesca - Levante 2   x3 credits

*parlay(ticket) -(your bets are multiples)
18:30  Tottenham - Chelsea 1 
15:30  Mainz - Bor. Dortmund X   
18:30  Huesca - Levante 2 
Parlay x10 credits

You have all the rules and regulations here: (http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?topic=183564.msg661636#msg661636)
Look at them and a little study, see the previous bets of the other players and
you should make everything clearer to you.
I hope I helped you  :)

gl&hf @Jedivh
Title: Re: Betting game suggestions/any questions about betting
Post by: FataLity- on April 19, 2019, 12:45
maybe add tier1 dota2 games to betting pool aswell?
Title: Re: Betting game suggestions/any questions about betting
Post by: tehnika8x8 on April 19, 2019, 18:49
maybe add tier1 dota2 games to betting pool aswell?
I would not have known you that. You have to ask someone from the staff. Since this site deals with Dota 1 I rly doubt it
Title: Re: Betting game suggestions/any questions about betting
Post by: FataLity- on April 22, 2019, 14:53
maybe add tier1 dota2 games to betting pool aswell?
I would not have known you that. You have to ask someone from the staff. Since this site deals with Dota 1 I rly doubt it
Well Dota2 is more relevant than football, I'm not directly adressinig you here its suggestion thread. You can take the bets from gg.bet wont take you more than a minute.
Dont get me wrong im not shitting forum and admins etc. Just suggesting what I would like to see from a dota forum. Right now It's more of football betting and graphics forum
Title: Re: Betting game suggestions/any questions about betting
Post by: AGENT on April 22, 2019, 16:05
Why don't you guys, who want to have dota betting game, create a new topic/section about it or even sub board here? Do you want from someone else to realize all of you wishes/suggestions?
Title: Re: Betting game suggestions/any questions about betting
Post by: AGENT on July 23, 2019, 01:05
Can't wait leagues to start.
You can't lose money on football if you lose all the money on slot mashines.
(https://scontent.fbeg3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/67553182_1359002184251371_3714287107695443968_n.jpg?_nc_cat=100&_nc_oc=AQnXjLk-ubpbb95ax2MG9VSN2ULcTYt4KNaFm5pw9zcS2aLn5IxzJ2WFb6_McDFzR2k&_nc_ht=scontent.fbeg3-1.fna&oh=359d2958410048ede2635af20314ddcb&oe=5DB60629)
Title: Re: Betting game suggestions/any questions about betting
Post by: tehnika8x8 on July 24, 2019, 20:53
Can't wait leagues to start.
Me2 :D
You can't lose money on football if you lose all the money on slot mashines.
(https://scontent.fbeg3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/67553182_1359002184251371_3714287107695443968_n.jpg?_nc_cat=100&_nc_oc=AQnXjLk-ubpbb95ax2MG9VSN2ULcTYt4KNaFm5pw9zcS2aLn5IxzJ2WFb6_McDFzR2k&_nc_ht=scontent.fbeg3-1.fna&oh=359d2958410048ede2635af20314ddcb&oe=5DB60629)
Known lucky karma ;) ;D
Title: Re: Betting game suggestions/any questions about betting
Post by: Jimmy on August 14, 2019, 12:10
Once again , good Job to @tehnika8x8   for doing a good job in Sport Section , and keeping it very organized and updated   (never missing a beat ).

(https://media.giphy.com/media/ivQ6Otsxv8y5O/giphy.gif)

+1
Title: Re: Betting game suggestions/any questions about betting
Post by: tehnika8x8 on August 14, 2019, 20:49
Once again , good Job to @tehnika8x8   for doing a good job in Sport Section , and keeping it very organized and updated   (never missing a beat ).

(https://media.giphy.com/media/ivQ6Otsxv8y5O/giphy.gif)

+1
Ty, always here for you guys  :)
Title: Re: Betting game suggestions/any questions about betting
Post by: tehnika8x8 on October 18, 2019, 17:22
Do you agree to we replace the existing awards with these:


(http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/awards/669-mini.png)
Winning 1 season of Football Betting:           (https://i.postimg.cc/G3F16ZNS/fbg3.png)

(http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/awards/671-mini.png)
Winning 3 seasons of Football Betting:           (https://i.postimg.cc/NFK2jmnp/fbg2.png)

(http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/awards/672-mini.png)
Winning 5 seasons of Football Betting:           (https://i.postimg.cc/XqMJgmq6/fbg1.png)

(http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/awards/673-mini.png)
Winning 10 seasons of Football Betting:          (https://i.postimg.cc/904dDvS3/fbg.png)


Kind regards
Title: Re: Betting game suggestions/any questions about betting
Post by: AntlermanXXL on October 18, 2019, 17:31
I agree