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Title: Server improvement suggestions
Post by: LexMonster on March 27, 2018, 05:25 pm
Dear users,

We are trying to improve our server in every possible way, and therefore we would like to hear your opinion on how to improve it.
We want you to give us a suggestion(s) about something we are missing, something you would like to have, something that we maybe have but is not necessary and therefore should be removed, basically anything that can improve our server/games, or that can be considered as improvement.

Do you want new dota map, new game modes, new bot commands or anything else?

Please share your opinion here, and if we agree that it is a good improvement, I will coordinate with other Admins and make it possible. 

Best regards
LA staff
Title: Re: Server improvement suggestions
Post by: guest49825 on March 27, 2018, 05:36 pm
Do i need to repost all the suggestions i remember, or it is considered as read already? :-)
Title: Re: Server improvement suggestions
Post by: LexMonster on March 27, 2018, 05:39 pm
Do i need to repost all the suggestions i remember, or it is considered as read already? :-)
If you mean suggestions sent via PM, feel free to write them here so everyone can see it and discuss.
Title: Re: Server improvement suggestions
Post by: luke on March 27, 2018, 05:45 pm
There is a good chance i noted them down already, but you could post them again in case something was missed, just make it a structured list.
Title: Re: Server improvement suggestions
Post by: Mara on March 27, 2018, 06:04 pm
Hi i was little bored and i become a idea to make tournament ladder like this
 it can be  statistic of Daily   ,   CG  , Insta tours  ,ETC instead of psr ladder stats
together with main win point of tournaments won.
(this is just example , also all players are not on right possitions.)

Unofficial Tournament Ladder 2018+
  PlayerLadder
rank
(current ladder)
Ladder
games ever
 (main account)
   
PSR
 (current ladder)
Custom games ever
 (main account)
 
Tournaments Played
following this list
http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?topic=165538.0
Tournaments Win.

(all the time!won tours from previous seasson's are counted!)
(Main Scoreboard)
1.     SERBIANIDIOT       31.      1090      1800     554    53        28
2.
  -Deynro-
        6.      1815     1857       218     50  21
3. Akuma       433.    1142    1681   270   25    11
4.  
 
   Fatality-
         1.        196     1941       61      32       11
5. Kemcek       336.      1318     1693     848      15 10
6. Hamza.       178.     1460     1721     761      78      9
7. ^^Succubus^^
   
       27.     1191      1801     149      59    5
8. Feelsgood
 ( ExpertNoob )
 
       107.     206      1742      64      34    6
9. CrazyGuardians

  (King_Arthas)
 
       1851.
     398     1562     356     27    10
10. kja12
       1171.    819     1606      242      3    2
11. -Aleksandar-        457.    1323     1678     37    20     0
12. AccidentalSkill
   ShitBecomeTrue
       23.      250     1803       55     41      8
13. Jimmy     420.    1416    1683   93  5    3
14.
     [BoS]Silver
    not in ladder yet   26   1517   22  5    2
15.
 NatsuDragneel^^
  not in ladder yet   311  1494   182  56  1
16.(ClaraShuman )
  Ov3Rd0S3 , Nepopravljiv
9999. 2038 1517  230    10       10
18. Grga_Man
(Star_Scream )
   27.  3029  1802    19    6   5
17.
 LexMonster
  Lexy

 not in ladder yet
   85  1500    0                  2

Additional players:

Alone_monax
sapka (agressif-_-) )
cyb
iernesto94
common
jeandarc
ilikedat

dragorn
salih
wide
fatandviolent. 
asd22

. gemofthen1ght

x)

Title: Re: Server improvement suggestions
Post by: luke on March 27, 2018, 06:25 pm
With other words, you want a ladder dedicated to tours only, same as the main psr ladder?
Title: Re: Server improvement suggestions
Post by: Meth0d on March 27, 2018, 06:27 pm
Stop giving wrong ppl op(admin), Upload a map already its taking 2 years almost, Stop baning ppl for no real reasons and locking ip so they wont change platform like they are doing it now. At least try to talk via pm to someone who ruins and be exmple to members, not a dickheads like some power abusers here, they cant even warn someone before they type !kick !ban in channel or in game. I was muted in game one time i wont name who did that, only cuz he failed and went even afk but he is moderator. I know cen is busy to update it but La shuting down so badly. I know already few good players joined to another platform cuz map.
Title: Re: Server improvement suggestions
Post by: Mara on March 27, 2018, 06:28 pm
With other words, you want a ladder dedicated to tours only, same as the main psr ladder?
yy  we have dota ladder ,and  we can have tournament ladder too:)
Title: Re: Server improvement suggestions
Post by: Meth0d on March 27, 2018, 06:33 pm
Make another room for new ladder where is no stats at all only win lose rate. So maybe but maybe they will try to play game in right way, psr means nothing cuz a lot of players playing for stats kills etc they wanna look good on !sd . And then starts a problem with 2 mid then flames, feeding. And make option that 4 players can make rmk or something in case someone start to ruin or going 2 mid to fuck up carry with some support. Cuz u cant get 8 or idk how muh 8 9 votes for rmk here.
Title: Re: Server improvement suggestions
Post by: luke on March 27, 2018, 07:13 pm
Isn't there already safelist for that?
Title: Re: Server improvement suggestions
Post by: Meth0d on March 27, 2018, 07:19 pm
Isn't there already safelist for that?

Safe list is for skilled players only, mostly was. And its pritty dead, they wont allow random ppl there. And iits active once in month, its useless to post even vouch req cuz there is no games and no one will respond i guess. I was saying about some kind of public but different than this one, and keep it both al least u can try. Or try new one and see what happen. Whatever, im getting adapted to new map already so idk will i try old one again.
Title: Re: Server improvement suggestions
Post by: ilikedat on March 27, 2018, 09:17 pm
1. Change balance option based on players stats and not like it is now based on their psr. It can be done by using kills/deaths formula or kills + assist / deaths. That would make games more fair.
2. After changing balance psr system wont work anymore so u have to change it also. Those who their current psr is 1500+ can win +10 -8 in every game they play until they reach 1600 or going below 1500+. The exact ammount of psr can be disscused after the change is aplied.

And revive IHRL. The only reason why i didnt join ss is that i never enter on eurobattle.net(only when i have to activate accounts). I would like to see a pro league at our forum since lately has been active once again(100-200 users per min online)
As for tourmanaments they are made to have a bit more fun on them and i think they shold stay like they are for now.
Title: Re: Server improvement suggestions
Post by: zolazevsara on March 27, 2018, 09:38 pm
Hi,

So toxic players here.
Make autohost games so u can wait 20 minutes in lobby and u will be protected of retarded host who will kick u after 20 min of waiting because guy who joined game last need slot for friend.
As u know we are in 2k18 and there is no more 15 games in lobby in anytime and there is no 1k online PD players .
Title: Re: Server improvement suggestions
Post by: .SaLiH. on March 27, 2018, 09:55 pm
1. Since mara popped up tournaments, maybe tournaments should be again like before,
-tournament wins {in profile section, which you can get icon with that}
-anyone which is good with editing maps would be awsome to edit some of the tournaments maps, like invoker wars or which gives everytime bug ''Nevermore vs Mirana Wars'' and and so on.
-not sure if something else can be done.

2. We of course want new map

3. i believe there are so many ppl still playing this game. mostly at night more ppl are online. if there would be a way to make those players be in contact with forum, server would be more lively, i wonder. Since its same players posting on forum -except ban unban section-

thats all i think, if sth else comes to my mind ill write. Thanks for asking
Title: Re: Server improvement suggestions
Post by: luke on March 27, 2018, 10:07 pm
Quote
-anyone which is good with editing maps would be awsome to edit some of the tournaments maps, like invoker wars or which gives everytime bug ''Nevermore vs Mirana Wars'' and and so on.

It may be possible, i have some experience with maps. But what exactly do you want to be changed? Better send me a detailed pm and i'll see what could be done
Title: Re: Server improvement suggestions
Post by: Akuma on March 28, 2018, 03:04 am
I'll try answering posts here. Lets start.

Do i need to repost all the suggestions i remember, or it is considered as read already? :-)

We're already doing some of those, we just talked yesterday (you and me) about one of your suggestions, you already know that I liked those suggestions so feel free to spam me about them.

Hi i was little bored and i become a idea to make tournament ladder like this
 it can be  statistic of Daily   ,   CG  , Insta tours  ,ETC instead of psr ladder stats
together with main win point of tournaments won.
(this is just example , also all players are not on right possitions.)
Unofficial Tournament Ladder 2018+
  PlayerLadder
rank
(current ladder)
Ladder
games ever
 (main account)
   
PSR
 (current ladder)
Custom games ever
 (main account)
 
Tournaments Played
following this list
http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?topic=165538.0
Tournaments Win.

(all the time!won tours from previous seasson's are counted!)
(Main Scoreboard)
1.     SERBIANIDIOT       31.      1090      1800     554    53        28
2.
  -Deynro-
        6.      1815     1857       218     50  21
3. Akuma       433.    1142    1681   270   25    11
4.  
 
   Fatality-
         1.        196     1941       61      32       11
5. Kemcek       336.      1318     1693     848      15 10
6. Hamza.       178.     1460     1721     761      78      9
7. ^^Succubus^^
   
       27.     1191      1801     149      59    5
8. Feelsgood
 ( ExpertNoob )
 
       107.     206      1742      64      34    6
9. CrazyGuardians

  (King_Arthas)
 
       1851.
     398     1562     356     27    10
10. kja12
       1171.    819     1606      242      3    2
11. -Aleksandar-        457.    1323     1678     37    20     0
12. AccidentalSkill
   ShitBecomeTrue
       23.      250     1803       55     41      8
13. Jimmy     420.    1416    1683   93  5    3
14.
     [BoS]Silver
    not in ladder yet   26   1517   22  5    2
15.
 NatsuDragneel^^
  not in ladder yet   311  1494   182  56  1
16.(ClaraShuman )
  Ov3Rd0S3 , Nepopravljiv
9999. 2038 1517  230    10       10
18. Grga_Man
(Star_Scream )
   27.  3029  1802    19    6   5
17.
 LexMonster
  Lexy

 not in ladder yet
   85  1500    0                  2

Additional players:

Alone_monax
sapka (agressif-_-) )
cyb
iernesto94
common
jeandarc
ilikedat

dragorn
salih
wide
fatandviolent. 
asd22

. gemofthen1ght

x)

This is an interesting suggestion, it will be considered after we upgrade to new map.

But probably can not be like this (at least not "all of time") for simple reason, it would be too much work for Tour staff to get some statistics (also probably would not be 100% accurate since a lot of time has passed).


Stop giving wrong ppl op(admin), Upload a map already its taking 2 years almost, Stop baning ppl for no real reasons and locking ip so they wont change platform like they are doing it now. At least try to talk via pm to someone who ruins and be exmple to members, not a dickheads like some power abusers here, they cant even warn someone before they type !kick !ban in channel or in game. I was muted in game one time i wont name who did that, only cuz he failed and went even afk but he is moderator. I know cen is busy to update it but La shuting down so badly. I know already few good players joined to another platform cuz map.

1. Admin, OP or whatever you called is not given for granted, its earned.
2. Nobody is banned without reason, for example you got banned for national intolerance.
3. !Kick is a warn itself used for breaking rules, repeating things you got kicked for leads to a ban.
4. for 100th time you say shit like this without actually providing any proof, do you even begin to realize how stupid does that sound?
5. Map will be uploaded as soon as Cen is able.

Also 4 out of 5 things you posted here has nothing to do with "server improvement suggestions"


Make another room for new ladder where is no stats at all only win lose rate. So maybe but maybe they will try to play game in right way, psr means nothing cuz a lot of players playing for stats kills etc they wanna look good on !sd . And then starts a problem with 2 mid then flames, feeding. And make option that 4 players can make rmk or something in case someone start to ruin or going 2 mid to fuck up carry with some support. Cuz u cant get 8 or idk how muh 8 9 votes for rmk here.

1. Or maybe they will play mass games on 98% - 2% balance just like MK players did few seasons ago. Bad idea.
2. Making option that 4 players can !rmk will be VERY abused. Why wouldn't they just !rmk when they are about to lose a game, and therefore draw it. Bad idea.

1. Change balance option based on players stats and not like it is now based on their psr. It can be done by using kills/deaths formula or kills + assist / deaths. That would make games more fair.
2. After changing balance psr system wont work anymore so u have to change it also. Those who their current psr is 1500+ can win +10 -8 in every game they play until they reach 1600 or going below 1500+. The exact ammount of psr can be disscused after the change is aplied.

And revive IHRL. The only reason why i didnt join ss is that i never enter on eurobattle.net(only when i have to activate accounts). I would like to see a pro league at our forum since lately has been active once again(100-200 users per min online)
As for tourmanaments they are made to have a bit more fun on them and i think they shold stay like they are for now.


1. We (admins) are already discussing change in 'balance option", but it can't be this simple, people will just create a new account and "hunt stats", also its much easier to have better KDA in fewer games. Everyone can play 1 great game and make great score in that one game, it doesn't mean he is a good player as you suggested.

Please post all further suggestions you have regarding this, appreciate it.

2. We can discuss this after we solve previous issue, just like you said.

3. Private league is one of the ideas that was already suggested by monax, we'll look into this further (after we get new map).

4. I appreciate your opinion, however if we don't make changes from time to time people will get bored of playing same tours all the time. The idea is not to change tournaments much, but rather improve them, bring new custom maps, more tours, more rewards so they have more variety and are more interesting.

Hi,

So toxic players here.
Make autohost games so u can wait 20 minutes in lobby and u will be protected of retarded host who will kick u after 20 min of waiting because guy who joined game last need slot for friend.
As u know we are in 2k18 and there is no more 15 games in lobby in anytime and there is no 1k online PD players .

Well while I agree that every host who does that is an asshole, you can always host your own game right?

1. Since mara popped up tournaments, maybe tournaments should be again like before,
-tournament wins {in profile section, which you can get icon with that}
-anyone which is good with editing maps would be awsome to edit some of the tournaments maps, like invoker wars or which gives everytime bug ''Nevermore vs Mirana Wars'' and and so on.
-not sure if something else can be done.

2. We of course want new map

3. i believe there are so many ppl still playing this game. mostly at night more ppl are online. if there would be a way to make those players be in contact with forum, server would be more lively, i wonder. Since its same players posting on forum -except ban unban section-

thats all i think, if sth else comes to my mind ill write. Thanks for asking

1. That can be done if people would want that, also if you know any editors feel free to suggest them.

2. We all do, and hopefully we'll get it soon. Its top priority.

3. We can't "force" anyone to visit forum if they don't want it, but your words are correct. If you have any further suggestions how could we achieve this please let us know.
Title: Re: Server improvement suggestions
Post by: ilikedat on March 28, 2018, 03:11 am
Quote
1. We (admins) are already discussing change in 'balance option", but it can't be this simple, people will just create a new account and "hunt stats", also its much easier to have better KDA in fewer games. Everyone can play 1 great game and make great score in that one game, it doesn't mean he is a good player as you suggested.
to avoid ppl with high stats in a few games we can put a min of !games anytime so that wont be a problem. i dont know if my suggestion can be done or not but i think it will make games more competitive and ofc more fair.
Title: Re: Server improvement suggestions
Post by: dRagoLjuB on March 28, 2018, 03:13 am
all in one tool what makes dota1 similar to dota2
not the look but the options / hotkeys / etc

where u dont have to download and modify the custom keys / start warkeys / etc

smth like a wc3dota2program


wont happen but i suggest
in love
dgljub
Title: Re: Server improvement suggestions
Post by: Akuma on March 28, 2018, 03:34 am
Quote
1. We (admins) are already discussing change in 'balance option", but it can't be this simple, people will just create a new account and "hunt stats", also its much easier to have better KDA in fewer games. Everyone can play 1 great game and make great score in that one game, it doesn't mean he is a good player as you suggested.
to avoid ppl with high stats in a few games we can put a min of !games anytime so that wont be a problem. i dont know if my suggestion can be done or not but i think it will make games more competitive and ofc more fair.

That is not good for another reason - what happens when a new player joins (from another server for example) he will have 0 games, but is not necessarily a bad player...
The main problem is actually finding this "balance" inside new formula, protecting all kind of players, this is after all public league and everyone is welcome to play.

all in one tool what makes dota1 similar to dota2
not the look but the options / hotkeys / etc

where u dont have to download and modify the custom keys / start warkeys / etc

smth like a wc3dota2program


wont happen but i suggest
in love
dgljub


Most of the people already have some hotkeys, and downloading/seting up is done once - so not much time is lost there. Not a bad idea, but not a necessity in my opinion.
Title: Re: Server improvement suggestions
Post by: ilikedat on March 28, 2018, 07:10 am
Well players are still being kicked nowdays bcs those with low number of games can leave games more easily but as u can know 70% of the hosts are too bored to check everyones !sd in lobby. That number is unsignificant compared to the benefits it brings to the server.
As for the formula ill pick some random players from ladder to try to balance a game based on their k+d/a.
@cen is that doable?
Title: Re: Server improvement suggestions
Post by: beastiary on March 28, 2018, 08:05 am
if you want to have good and balanced games, I believe the way is to promote teamplaying. This can be done by promoting stacking and nationalism. English of many players here is very limited and even if one can understand them he can´t really talk to them because they would not understand him. so maybe if you promote national channels and people from the same nation playing in a stack so they can actually talk about the game and what they wanna do, they dont pick 5 carries etc.
sure people are gonna be frustrated at first because they will play against stacks a lot but that will force them to find their own friends,  stack or join already existing one.
Playing in a stack i believe people would understand someone needs to play support even if noone wants to play it, so someone eventually will play it and in stack you can easily rotate on positions every game.
I believe this way both games and players will improve as there are good players from every nation who can teach the worse ones in their mother´s tongue. I believe communication is one of the main issues on this server.
Title: Re: Server improvement suggestions
Post by: ilikedat on March 28, 2018, 10:10 am
                            PSR   Hightest PSR   Games   Win   Lose   Kills   Deaths   Assists   K/D   A/D  (K+A)/D

fatality-                     1941   1947   303   72%   27%   13.8   6.2   12   2.2   2       4.2 
ilikedat                      1810   1825   577   53%   46%   9.2   7.7   11.9   1.2   1.6   2.8
kosas                        1739   1743   1009   49%   50%   7.8   9.6   12.6   0.8   1.3   2.1
lazy_clown                 1681   1681   89   78%   21%   7.9   3.8   13.1   2.1   3.4   5.5
thisisdream                 1428    1546    60                      4.3     6.1     9.7     0.7     1.6     2.3
x-damage                   1676   1717   1272   50%   49%   4.9   9.9   11.8   0.5   1.2   1.7
destroyer                   1677   1703   1691   56%   43%   13.3   6.3   9.2   2.1   1.5   3.6
duc                           1636   1659   471   48%   51%   5.2   8.1   11.7   0.6   1.4   2.1
bamburuk                   1626   1640   1010   49%   50%   6.5   6.8   9.7   1   1.4   2.4
god                           1771   1774   948   60%   39%   16   8   11.3   2   1.4   3.4
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
TOTAL  K/D                                                                                         13
6.5 pts per each team to balance game 50% 50%

scourge

fatality-                       1941   1947   303   72%   27%   13.8   6.2   12   2.2   2       4.2
kosas                           1739   1743   1009   49%   50%   7.8   9.6   12.6   0.8   1.3   2.1
x-damage                   1676   1717   1272   50%   49%   4.9   9.9   11.8   0.5   1.2   1.7
god                               1771   1774   948   60%   39%   16   8   11.3   2   1.4   3.4
bamburuk                   1626   1640   1010   49%   50%   6.5   6.8   9.7   1   1.4   2.4
                                                                                               -------
                                                                                                6.5
sentinel

ilikedat                   1810   1825   577   53%   46%   9.2   7.7   11.9   1.2   1.6   2.8
lazy_clown                   1681   1681   89   78%   21%   7.9   3.8   13.1   2.1   3.4   5.5
thisisdream                     1428    1546    60                      4.3     6.1     9.7     0.7     1.6     2.3
destroyer                   1677   1703   1691   56%   43%   13.3   6.3   9.2   2.1   1.5   3.6
duc                           1636   1659   471   48%   51%   5.2   8.1   11.7   0.6   1.4   2.1
                                                                                               -------
                                                                                                6.5
with the current system i can give a try to make a balance manually just to see the difference between thme. i can easily put in the same team destroyer,fatality & god and it would be sure win for them againts me and other noobs :D this is just an example that it can work based on k/d formula. i would like to hear other opinions about this matter.
Title: Re: Server improvement suggestions
Post by: cyb on March 28, 2018, 03:11 pm
Please stop making topics like this. We all know in past how this „improvement“ topic works. @Akuma i dont get why do you replay on his posts he is kid with lack of slaps when he was fetus. @Meth0d When you manage to make ur own family,job and life just remind me so i can fuc* them same way ur wisping me. Regards and mater ti jebem bezobraznu!
Title: Re: Server improvement suggestions
Post by: myprecious on March 28, 2018, 03:26 pm
i have read all of these sugestion,well I dont think so server will become better,coz they are to many ppl who will not get better,and ppl >>server...but however maybe the good option is league,new map for sure,and there s something in game mode,for -ap mode for example,ban posibility,evry player can sign 1 hero for ban,before the game start and ppl pick heroes,thats rly good,I think we need that mode.
Title: Re: Server improvement suggestions
Post by: Happy.. on March 28, 2018, 03:59 pm
Split the share option between units and chick by adding the additional square check just for the chick. This way people will stop buying 5 chicks coz they are afraid of share abuse.
Title: Re: Server improvement suggestions
Post by: cyb on March 28, 2018, 04:44 pm
Split the share option between units and chick by adding the additional square check just for the chick. This way people will stop buying 5 chicks coz they are afraid of share abuse.
Then they will abuse courir. How many days will be ban for „chick abuse“?  ???

1.extra stats bar—I dont get why some of you guys asking for extra stats because current ones are enough.
2. New map — This can be interesting and risky in same time ; People will need some time to get used on it and some of them can leav because of new things as new look of map,spell changes,items..
3. Autohost — this can be good also host will not be protected anymore
4. Win/Lose — with only this stats maybe you can shake people to play more for team and to wake up their awarness..some of guys here mention this and this can be helpful
Title: Re: Server improvement suggestions
Post by: luke on March 28, 2018, 04:45 pm
Split the share option between units and chick by adding the additional square check just for the chick. This way people will stop buying 5 chicks coz they are afraid of share abuse.

I think its only possible with editing the map
Title: Re: Server improvement suggestions
Post by: guest49825 on March 28, 2018, 05:48 pm
^ on iccup there is such feature for many years already
it is about modifying War3 memory i think
Title: Re: Server improvement suggestions
Post by: myprecious on March 28, 2018, 05:52 pm
About chick and share ,I dont think so,that is so important,in new version chick even cost less,and you can always find 1 normal guy who will give you share,if not just buy it. :D
Title: Re: Server improvement suggestions
Post by: Akuma on March 28, 2018, 10:49 pm
@i_like_dat
but you haven't calculated any players with really low number of games - 5 for example. We can't kick everyone who has a new account, nobody new will join this way.

the things that need to be included in getting "new PSR - new balance system"
1. KDA
2. number of games
3. W/L ratio
4. Game balance
5. Probably something else

btw for the sake of easy reading please use spoilers for stats or similar things..


if you want to have good and balanced games, I believe the way is to promote teamplaying. This can be done by promoting stacking and nationalism. English of many players here is very limited and even if one can understand them he can´t really talk to them because they would not understand him. so maybe if you promote national channels and people from the same nation playing in a stack so they can actually talk about the game and what they wanna do, they dont pick 5 carries etc.
sure people are gonna be frustrated at first because they will play against stacks a lot but that will force them to find their own friends,  stack or join already existing one.
Playing in a stack i believe people would understand someone needs to play support even if noone wants to play it, so someone eventually will play it and in stack you can easily rotate on positions every game.
I believe this way both games and players will improve as there are good players from every nation who can teach the worse ones in their mother´s tongue. I believe communication is one of the main issues on this server.

This is a very interesting idea, however I don't think it can work on public league. Someone will always be kicked, left out, etc and everyone is supposed to be able to play here. Also there are some countries with not-so-huge number of players (like Russia, Oman, Bulgaria, Greece and more) If we go with private league as well (after map update) we might be open for options like this one, but they will probably work on countries such as Romania, Serbia, Turkey, Macedonia - with lot of players populating this place.

i have read all of these sugestion,well I dont think so server will become better,coz they are to many ppl who will not get better,and ppl >>server...but however maybe the good option is league,new map for sure,and there s something in game mode,for -ap mode for example,ban posibility,evry player can sign 1 hero for ban,before the game start and ppl pick heroes,thats rly good,I think we need that mode.

-cm mode is ap mode with bans right? New map and new league already discussed above.

Split the share option between units and chick by adding the additional square check just for the chick. This way people will stop buying 5 chicks coz they are afraid of share abuse.

But then a random guy can take your chick to buy something stupid, while you are mid desperately needing bottle/midas or whatever.

Split the share option between units and chick by adding the additional square check just for the chick. This way people will stop buying 5 chicks coz they are afraid of share abuse.
Then they will abuse courir. How many days will be ban for „chick abuse“?  ???

1.extra stats bar—I dont get why some of you guys asking for extra stats because current ones are enough.
2. New map — This can be interesting and risky in same time ; People will need some time to get used on it and some of them can leav because of new things as new look of map,spell changes,items..
3. Autohost — this can be good also host will not be protected anymore
4. Win/Lose — with only this stats maybe you can shake people to play more for team and to wake up their awarness..some of guys here mention this and this can be helpful

1. It will give more information about player, definitely not a bad thing, also many people asked for this already.
2. Already discussed above.
3. There must be some kind of game host/owner - some friends want to play together, get locked, or kick someone bad etc, someone has to do this manually. But we will look into 'host not being protected' its definitely a good idea, and we are already discussing this one (from some previous suggestions)
4. Already told above - people will play on 98-2 balance just to get wins.



Title: Re: Server improvement suggestions
Post by: cyb on March 28, 2018, 11:16 pm
@i_like_dat
but you haven't calculated any players with really low number of games - 5 for example. We can't kick everyone who has a new account, nobody new will join this way.

the things that need to be included in getting "new PSR - new balance system"
1. KDA
2. number of games
3. W/L ratio
4. Game balance
5. Probably something else

btw for the sake of easy reading please use spoilers for stats or similar things..


if you want to have good and balanced games, I believe the way is to promote teamplaying. This can be done by promoting stacking and nationalism. English of many players here is very limited and even if one can understand them he can´t really talk to them because they would not understand him. so maybe if you promote national channels and people from the same nation playing in a stack so they can actually talk about the game and what they wanna do, they dont pick 5 carries etc.
sure people are gonna be frustrated at first because they will play against stacks a lot but that will force them to find their own friends,  stack or join already existing one.
Playing in a stack i believe people would understand someone needs to play support even if noone wants to play it, so someone eventually will play it and in stack you can easily rotate on positions every game.
I believe this way both games and players will improve as there are good players from every nation who can teach the worse ones in their mother´s tongue. I believe communication is one of the main issues on this server.

This is a very interesting idea, however I don't think it can work on public league. Someone will always be kicked, left out, etc and everyone is supposed to be able to play here. Also there are some countries with not-so-huge number of players (like Russia, Oman, Bulgaria, Greece and more) If we go with private league as well (after map update) we might be open for options like this one, but they will probably work on countries such as Romania, Serbia, Turkey, Macedonia - with lot of players populating this place.

i have read all of these sugestion,well I dont think so server will become better,coz they are to many ppl who will not get better,and ppl >>server...but however maybe the good option is league,new map for sure,and there s something in game mode,for -ap mode for example,ban posibility,evry player can sign 1 hero for ban,before the game start and ppl pick heroes,thats rly good,I think we need that mode.

-cm mode is ap mode with bans right? New map and new league already discussed above.

Split the share option between units and chick by adding the additional square check just for the chick. This way people will stop buying 5 chicks coz they are afraid of share abuse.

But then a random guy can take your chick to buy something stupid, while you are mid desperately needing bottle/midas or whatever.

Split the share option between units and chick by adding the additional square check just for the chick. This way people will stop buying 5 chicks coz they are afraid of share abuse.
Then they will abuse courir. How many days will be ban for „chick abuse“?  ???

1.extra stats bar—I dont get why some of you guys asking for extra stats because current ones are enough.
2. New map — This can be interesting and risky in same time ; People will need some time to get used on it and some of them can leav because of new things as new look of map,spell changes,items..
3. Autohost — this can be good also host will not be protected anymore
4. Win/Lose — with only this stats maybe you can shake people to play more for team and to wake up their awarness..some of guys here mention this and this can be helpful

1. It will give more information about player, definitely not a bad thing, also many people asked for this already.
2. Already discussed above.
3. There must be some kind of game host/owner - some friends want to play together, get locked, or kick someone bad etc, someone has to do this manually. But we will look into 'host not being protected' its definitely a good idea, and we are already discussing this one (from some previous suggestions)
4. Already told above - people will play on 98-2 balance just to get wins.

"Already told above - people will play on 98-2 balance just to get wins."

When does balance matters? If everyone play for win in that 0% team they still have chance to win,lol.
Title: Re: Server improvement suggestions
Post by: ilikedat on March 28, 2018, 11:21 pm
@i_like_dat
but you haven't calculated any players with really low number of games - 5 for example. We can't kick everyone who has a new account, nobody new will join this way.

the things that need to be included in getting "new PSR - new balance system"
1. KDA
2. number of games
3. W/L ratio
4. Game balance
5. Probably something else


btw for the sake of easy reading please use spoilers for stats or similar things..
1.
fatality-                     1941   1947   303   72%   27%   13.8   6.2   12   2.2   2       4.2 
lazy_clown                 1681   1681   89   78%   21%   7.9   3.8   13.1   2.1   3.4   5.5
as u can see lazy_clown has greater kda than fataly but we all know whos better player between them so adding assist will get the things worse even that assist are impportant in game.
2.
i dont know how we can use nr of games in balance system
3. w/l ratio isnt correct bcs draws and games left are counted
well even democracy isnt the best form of government but since we dont know a better one we must use it. with that im not saying that my suggestion is the best but is better than the one we have for sure.

if you want to have good and balanced games, I believe the way is to promote teamplaying. This can be done by promoting stacking and nationalism. English of many players here is very limited and even if one can understand them he can´t really talk to them because they would not understand him. so maybe if you promote national channels and people from the same nation playing in a stack so they can actually talk about the game and what they wanna do, they dont pick 5 carries etc.
sure people are gonna be frustrated at first because they will play against stacks a lot but that will force them to find their own friends,  stack or join already existing one.
Playing in a stack i believe people would understand someone needs to play support even if noone wants to play it, so someone eventually will play it and in stack you can easily rotate on positions every game.
I believe this way both games and players will improve as there are good players from every nation who can teach the worse ones in their mother´s tongue. I believe communication is one of the main issues on this server.
the only way to promote teamplay is to re-open the la league called IHRL.
Title: Re: Server improvement suggestions
Post by: Akuma on March 29, 2018, 03:50 am
how do you balance these guys then using just that formula?

scarface^^    1533    1533    2    100%    0%    19.5    3.5    11    5.6    3.1    8.7
^hogrider    1555    1555    6    100%    0%    7.3    1.8    18    4.1    10.3    14.4
whoam-i    1555    1567    8    85%    14%    15    1.6    8.3    9.5    5.3            14.8 

and the answer is not kicking them, because this is a public league, and everyone is supposed to be able to play.

Having people measured only by KDA, will just force people to pick same heroes as well, its a really bad idea.
Title: Re: Server improvement suggestions
Post by: ilikedat on March 29, 2018, 05:04 am
Like i said at the second post using kda formula would fuck things up,at the first example i used only k/d and the result is that.
We all know that players are still being kicked from games,im one of them after checking !f but that doesnt mean that we shold remove it also.
As we talk ppl are picking same heros again and again u must know that.
Title: Re: Server improvement suggestions
Post by: Deynro on March 29, 2018, 05:19 am
Like i said at the second post using kda formula would fuck things up,at the first example i used only k/d and the result is that.
We all know that players are still being kicked from games,im one of them after checking !f but that doesnt mean that we shold remove it also.


I also agree with removing the K/D/A.
Title: Re: Server improvement suggestions
Post by: ilikedat on March 29, 2018, 05:30 am
Im afraid i must try to explain it once again cuz seems like noone undertood my point 😊
Title: Re: Server improvement suggestions
Post by: .SaLiH. on March 29, 2018, 09:36 am
go like in dota2, performance based mmr system xd
Title: Re: Server improvement suggestions
Post by: myprecious on March 29, 2018, 03:33 pm
Not sure about mmr system ,or kill/dead ration,but about picking same heroes there is a simple solution as I said,dota map has 1 big problem since ice frog made it,there will always be at least few heroes over power and unbalanced,thats why before we start picking heroes we type mode something like -bpap (I think it was "-bp") and as i said early evry player can chose 1 hero to be banned after that its decide somehow and few heroes are forbiden to be picked. Verry ez and simple,that will help with balance a bit,and it is not so big deal.
Title: Re: Server improvement suggestions
Post by: ExpertNoob on March 29, 2018, 03:40 pm
Not sure about mmr system ,or kill/dead ration,but about picking same heroes there is a simple solution as I said,dota map has 1 big problem since ice frog made it,there will always be at least few heroes over power and unbalanced,thats why before we start picking heroes we type mode something like -bpap (I think it was "-bp") and as i said early evry player can chose 1 hero to be banned after that its decide somehow and few heroes are forbiden to be picked. Verry ez and simple,that will help with balance a bit,and it is not so big deal.
Wtf you talk about? Every hero is balanced XD
Title: Re: Server improvement suggestions
Post by: myprecious on March 29, 2018, 05:43 pm
In right hands evry hero is a killer,however even slark sucks in wrong hands. :D
Title: Re: Server improvement suggestions
Post by: .SaLiH. on March 30, 2018, 12:08 pm
Maybe ''Custom Game Leauge'' would be cool. You might say there is already tournament section which covers it, however, we don't know when players are online for tournaments.

There could be a pool in everyweek or everymonth which asks about tournament map and tournament date. This might help to get an average people at the same time. Might be done same in leauge if it would be accepted. Leauge might have more advantages, indeed we play maps which is organised in tournaments but there are maps which cant be played in tournament or it will be hard to get track on it.

i am aware of that, we need people in order to do this. this idea would need support, if someone agrees pls post.
Title: Re: Server improvement suggestions
Post by: luke on March 30, 2018, 02:34 pm
Maybe ''Custom Game Leauge'' would be cool. You might say there is already tournament section which covers it, however, we don't know when players are online for tournaments.

There could be a pool in everyweek or everymonth which asks about tournament map and tournament date. This might help to get an average people at the same time. Might be done same in leauge if it would be accepted. Leauge might have more advantages, indeed we play maps which is organised in tournaments but there are maps which cant be played in tournament or it will be hard to get track on it.

i am aware of that, we need people in order to do this. this idea would need support, if someone agrees pls post.

What exactly do you mean by pool? Also would be interesting to hear your view on how such league would work.
Title: Re: Server improvement suggestions
Post by: .SaLiH. on March 30, 2018, 04:08 pm
Maybe ''Custom Game Leauge'' would be cool. You might say there is already tournament section which covers it, however, we don't know when players are online for tournaments.

There could be a pool in everyweek or everymonth which asks about tournament map and tournament date. This might help to get an average people at the same time. Might be done same in leauge if it would be accepted. Leauge might have more advantages, indeed we play maps which is organised in tournaments but there are maps which cant be played in tournament or it will be hard to get track on it.

i am aware of that, we need people in order to do this. this idea would need support, if someone agrees pls post.

What exactly do you mean by pool? Also would be interesting to hear your view on how such league would work.
sorry, not pool but poll, survey. ill write about league
Title: Re: Server improvement suggestions
Post by: begin on March 30, 2018, 04:25 pm
Maybe ''Custom Game Leauge'' would be cool. You might say there is already tournament section which covers it, however, we don't know when players are online for tournaments.

There could be a pool in everyweek or everymonth which asks about tournament map and tournament date. This might help to get an average people at the same time. Might be done same in leauge if it would be accepted. Leauge might have more advantages, indeed we play maps which is organised in tournaments but there are maps which cant be played in tournament or it will be hard to get track on it.

i am aware of that, we need people in order to do this. this idea would need support, if someone agrees pls post.

What exactly do you mean by pool? Also would be interesting to hear your view on how such league would work.
sorry, not pool but poll, survey. ill write about league
come dota salih ?
Title: Re: Server improvement suggestions
Post by: luke on March 30, 2018, 05:25 pm
Well, i don't think a poll with date will work, but it could be done to select the map. @AGENT
Title: Re: Server improvement suggestions
Post by: CoMMoN1337 on March 30, 2018, 09:00 pm
http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?topic=183511
Title: Re: Server improvement suggestions
Post by: ilikedat on March 31, 2018, 02:34 am
wow i just saw ths http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?topic=179970.15
so im not the only one asking to change the balance system.
im just going to quote Akuma's post there
I was thinking about your idea, and tryed looking at (K+A)/D as a possible factor to judge players.

Lets see some examples from the games you provided. BTW im not judging those games you had 1400 players in your team because they can't be taken seriously.

So lets start with: http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=6049903

your team:
nocturnal- has 3.7
diurnal-  has 3.7 
nakedwather has 3.3
jeandarc has 2.6
dunja has 2.4

other team:
propaganda has 5.5
simonster has 3.7
strategy has 2.8
zla_dobrila has 2.7
anti-brain has 2.5

1. This puts you on 8th place in this game considering this factor. Do you believe these 7 players are better than you?
2. This factor is to be taken with the fact, that people with less games will have higher average than people with more games (propaganda has only 30 games played) - this brings up no3
3. Imagine someone create new account and have this factor of 20 or higher after 1-2 games, how can it be taken into balance or even considered his average, when it can drop by double digits first game he feeds.

moving into another game: http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=6049861

your team:
[bloodthirst] has 3.3
tihulu has 2.6
jeandarc has 2.6
marihuana024 has 2.4
marian-pl has 2.3

other team:
verybadperson has 3.5
hlr.sap has 2.9
^propalica^ has 2.8
[ne-ko] has 2.5
sevs has 2

Your place in this game was 5th or 6th, which would mean half of the players in this game were better/equal with you.
Judging those 2 games by kills/deaths/assists as you suggested would mean you were among lower players in these 2 games.
I don't think you are among lower players in this games having played with you many times, and I am sure you don't consider yourself lower as well.

To conclude: seeding players like this would probably bring even more imbalanced games where player with newer accounts would be seeded in top spots and that wouldn't be good.

PS: I consider you are not trolling with this topic, so if you have any better suggestions or ideas regarding this I would gladly listen to them.
im quoting myself now
fatality-                     1941   1947   303   72%   27%   13.8   6.2   12   2.2   2       4.2 
lazy_clown                 1681   1681   89   78%   21%   7.9   3.8   13.1   2.1   3.4   5.5
its pretty much obvios whos better player from the 2 of them but lazy_clown has higher (K+A)/D which would cause again unbalance.
i suggested to take under consideration only k/d even that assist are important but as u can see they can fuck up whole thing.
as for the number of games u are right but it can be fixed. every new player will have 1 or 1.5 default k/d ratio until he reach 10 games and then system will count from there and on. that will prevent players from having 20 k/d ratio after first or second game.i insist this should be taken under consideration but seems like Cen its to bussy to check it. @Astaroth your opinion :p
Title: Re: Server improvement suggestions
Post by: Akuma on March 31, 2018, 03:25 am
wow i just saw ths http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?topic=179970.15
so im not the only one asking to change the balance system.
im just going to quote Akuma's post there
I was thinking about your idea, and tryed looking at (K+A)/D as a possible factor to judge players.

Lets see some examples from the games you provided. BTW im not judging those games you had 1400 players in your team because they can't be taken seriously.

So lets start with: http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=6049903

your team:
nocturnal- has 3.7
diurnal-  has 3.7 
nakedwather has 3.3
jeandarc has 2.6
dunja has 2.4

other team:
propaganda has 5.5
simonster has 3.7
strategy has 2.8
zla_dobrila has 2.7
anti-brain has 2.5

1. This puts you on 8th place in this game considering this factor. Do you believe these 7 players are better than you?
2. This factor is to be taken with the fact, that people with less games will have higher average than people with more games (propaganda has only 30 games played) - this brings up no3
3. Imagine someone create new account and have this factor of 20 or higher after 1-2 games, how can it be taken into balance or even considered his average, when it can drop by double digits first game he feeds.

moving into another game: http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=6049861

your team:
[bloodthirst] has 3.3
tihulu has 2.6
jeandarc has 2.6
marihuana024 has 2.4
marian-pl has 2.3

other team:
verybadperson has 3.5
hlr.sap has 2.9
^propalica^ has 2.8
[ne-ko] has 2.5
sevs has 2

Your place in this game was 5th or 6th, which would mean half of the players in this game were better/equal with you.
Judging those 2 games by kills/deaths/assists as you suggested would mean you were among lower players in these 2 games.
I don't think you are among lower players in this games having played with you many times, and I am sure you don't consider yourself lower as well.

To conclude: seeding players like this would probably bring even more imbalanced games where player with newer accounts would be seeded in top spots and that wouldn't be good.

PS: I consider you are not trolling with this topic, so if you have any better suggestions or ideas regarding this I would gladly listen to them.
im quoting myself now
fatality-                     1941   1947   303   72%   27%   13.8   6.2   12   2.2   2       4.2 
lazy_clown                 1681   1681   89   78%   21%   7.9   3.8   13.1   2.1   3.4   5.5
its pretty much obvios whos better player from the 2 of them but lazy_clown has higher (K+A)/D which would cause again unbalance.
i suggested to take under consideration only k/d even that assist are important but as u can see they can fuck up whole thing.
as for the number of games u are right but it can be fixed. every new player will have 1 or 1.5 default k/d ratio until he reach 10 games and then system will count from there and on. that will prevent players from having 20 k/d ratio after first or second game.i insist this should be taken under consideration but seems like Cen its to bussy to check it. @Astaroth your opinion :p

Yes, we already discussed that, but you can't take assists out of equation - nobody would want to play support hero, everyone would pick shitty heroes that can easily gain many kills, and those who would play support would end up with shitty k/d, and kicked from games because of that... Also there would be much more rage about "stealing" kills, etc. Can't work without assists in equation.

Also my post on that thread proved how KDA can place good player behind 8 other players, where surely not all 8 of them were actually better players.
Quote
To conclude: seeding players like this would probably bring even more imbalanced games where player with newer accounts would be seeded in top spots and that wouldn't be good.

And yeah Cen is busy with new map, this is to be discussed until then.

PS: Just in case you misunderstand me - I do want change balance system myself, but we need to find a really good formula - we can't just go with any.

Title: Re: Server improvement suggestions
Post by: ilikedat on March 31, 2018, 03:33 am
wow i just saw ths http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?topic=179970.15
so im not the only one asking to change the balance system.
im just going to quote Akuma's post there
I was thinking about your idea, and tryed looking at (K+A)/D as a possible factor to judge players.

Lets see some examples from the games you provided. BTW im not judging those games you had 1400 players in your team because they can't be taken seriously.

So lets start with: http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=6049903

your team:
nocturnal- has 3.7
diurnal-  has 3.7 
nakedwather has 3.3
jeandarc has 2.6
dunja has 2.4

other team:
propaganda has 5.5
simonster has 3.7
strategy has 2.8
zla_dobrila has 2.7
anti-brain has 2.5

1. This puts you on 8th place in this game considering this factor. Do you believe these 7 players are better than you?
2. This factor is to be taken with the fact, that people with less games will have higher average than people with more games (propaganda has only 30 games played) - this brings up no3
3. Imagine someone create new account and have this factor of 20 or higher after 1-2 games, how can it be taken into balance or even considered his average, when it can drop by double digits first game he feeds.

moving into another game: http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=6049861

your team:
[bloodthirst] has 3.3
tihulu has 2.6
jeandarc has 2.6
marihuana024 has 2.4
marian-pl has 2.3

other team:
verybadperson has 3.5
hlr.sap has 2.9
^propalica^ has 2.8
[ne-ko] has 2.5
sevs has 2

Your place in this game was 5th or 6th, which would mean half of the players in this game were better/equal with you.
Judging those 2 games by kills/deaths/assists as you suggested would mean you were among lower players in these 2 games.
I don't think you are among lower players in this games having played with you many times, and I am sure you don't consider yourself lower as well.

To conclude: seeding players like this would probably bring even more imbalanced games where player with newer accounts would be seeded in top spots and that wouldn't be good.

PS: I consider you are not trolling with this topic, so if you have any better suggestions or ideas regarding this I would gladly listen to them.
im quoting myself now
fatality-                     1941   1947   303   72%   27%   13.8   6.2   12   2.2   2       4.2 
lazy_clown                 1681   1681   89   78%   21%   7.9   3.8   13.1   2.1   3.4   5.5
its pretty much obvios whos better player from the 2 of them but lazy_clown has higher (K+A)/D which would cause again unbalance.
i suggested to take under consideration only k/d even that assist are important but as u can see they can fuck up whole thing.
as for the number of games u are right but it can be fixed. every new player will have 1 or 1.5 default k/d ratio until he reach 10 games and then system will count from there and on. that will prevent players from having 20 k/d ratio after first or second game.i insist this should be taken under consideration but seems like Cen its to bussy to check it. @Astaroth your opinion :p

Yes, we already discussed that, but you can't take assists out of equation - nobody would want to play support hero, everyone would pick shitty heroes that can easily gain many kills, and those who would play support would end up with shitty k/d, and kicked from games because of that... Also there would be much more rage about "stealing" kills, etc. Can't work without assists in equation.

Also my post on that thread proved how KDA can place good player behind 8 other players, where surely not all 8 of them were actually better players.

And yeah Cen is busy with new map, this is to be discussed until then.
even now nobody cares about supporting the team lol,its not that things are good and after that are going to be worse after that :D do u play on the server or not?
most of the mode played is ap and there noone picks support,even the most noob on server. your argument is pretty much invalid under this circumstances. imo that change or something similar should be done asap.
edit:just to give u a counter-argument about the stats. after the change its better to have negative scores cuz u will be with better team-mates when balance happens :D
Title: Re: Server improvement suggestions
Post by: Akuma on March 31, 2018, 03:46 am
wow i just saw ths http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?topic=179970.15
so im not the only one asking to change the balance system.
im just going to quote Akuma's post there
I was thinking about your idea, and tryed looking at (K+A)/D as a possible factor to judge players.

Lets see some examples from the games you provided. BTW im not judging those games you had 1400 players in your team because they can't be taken seriously.

So lets start with: http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=6049903

your team:
nocturnal- has 3.7
diurnal-  has 3.7 
nakedwather has 3.3
jeandarc has 2.6
dunja has 2.4

other team:
propaganda has 5.5
simonster has 3.7
strategy has 2.8
zla_dobrila has 2.7
anti-brain has 2.5

1. This puts you on 8th place in this game considering this factor. Do you believe these 7 players are better than you?
2. This factor is to be taken with the fact, that people with less games will have higher average than people with more games (propaganda has only 30 games played) - this brings up no3
3. Imagine someone create new account and have this factor of 20 or higher after 1-2 games, how can it be taken into balance or even considered his average, when it can drop by double digits first game he feeds.

moving into another game: http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=6049861

your team:
[bloodthirst] has 3.3
tihulu has 2.6
jeandarc has 2.6
marihuana024 has 2.4
marian-pl has 2.3

other team:
verybadperson has 3.5
hlr.sap has 2.9
^propalica^ has 2.8
[ne-ko] has 2.5
sevs has 2

Your place in this game was 5th or 6th, which would mean half of the players in this game were better/equal with you.
Judging those 2 games by kills/deaths/assists as you suggested would mean you were among lower players in these 2 games.
I don't think you are among lower players in this games having played with you many times, and I am sure you don't consider yourself lower as well.

To conclude: seeding players like this would probably bring even more imbalanced games where player with newer accounts would be seeded in top spots and that wouldn't be good.

PS: I consider you are not trolling with this topic, so if you have any better suggestions or ideas regarding this I would gladly listen to them.
im quoting myself now
fatality-                     1941   1947   303   72%   27%   13.8   6.2   12   2.2   2       4.2 
lazy_clown                 1681   1681   89   78%   21%   7.9   3.8   13.1   2.1   3.4   5.5
its pretty much obvios whos better player from the 2 of them but lazy_clown has higher (K+A)/D which would cause again unbalance.
i suggested to take under consideration only k/d even that assist are important but as u can see they can fuck up whole thing.
as for the number of games u are right but it can be fixed. every new player will have 1 or 1.5 default k/d ratio until he reach 10 games and then system will count from there and on. that will prevent players from having 20 k/d ratio after first or second game.i insist this should be taken under consideration but seems like Cen its to bussy to check it. @Astaroth your opinion :p

Yes, we already discussed that, but you can't take assists out of equation - nobody would want to play support hero, everyone would pick shitty heroes that can easily gain many kills, and those who would play support would end up with shitty k/d, and kicked from games because of that... Also there would be much more rage about "stealing" kills, etc. Can't work without assists in equation.

Also my post on that thread proved how KDA can place good player behind 8 other players, where surely not all 8 of them were actually better players.

And yeah Cen is busy with new map, this is to be discussed until then.
even now nobody cares about supporting the team lol,its not that things are good and after that are going to be worse after that :D do u play on the server or not?
most of the mode played is ap and there noone picks support,even the most noob on server. your argument is pretty much invalid under this circumstances. imo that change or something similar should be done asap.

Its not true, there are people who care. I know you are right and that MANY players would rather pick slark/tiny/alch, but there are those who play other heroes as well.

Yes I play, and I random in AP (playing hero I get), @Alone_MonaX  does this as well, many others do this, and play support heroes too.

Even by checking your profile I can see that you sometimes play support heroes like dazzle/warlock etc. But would you play these heroes if Kills were the only thing that mattered?

Title: Re: Server improvement suggestions
Post by: ilikedat on March 31, 2018, 04:06 am
wow i just saw ths http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?topic=179970.15
so im not the only one asking to change the balance system.
im just going to quote Akuma's post there
I was thinking about your idea, and tryed looking at (K+A)/D as a possible factor to judge players.

Lets see some examples from the games you provided. BTW im not judging those games you had 1400 players in your team because they can't be taken seriously.

So lets start with: http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=6049903

your team:
nocturnal- has 3.7
diurnal-  has 3.7 
nakedwather has 3.3
jeandarc has 2.6
dunja has 2.4

other team:
propaganda has 5.5
simonster has 3.7
strategy has 2.8
zla_dobrila has 2.7
anti-brain has 2.5

1. This puts you on 8th place in this game considering this factor. Do you believe these 7 players are better than you?
2. This factor is to be taken with the fact, that people with less games will have higher average than people with more games (propaganda has only 30 games played) - this brings up no3
3. Imagine someone create new account and have this factor of 20 or higher after 1-2 games, how can it be taken into balance or even considered his average, when it can drop by double digits first game he feeds.

moving into another game: http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=6049861

your team:
[bloodthirst] has 3.3
tihulu has 2.6
jeandarc has 2.6
marihuana024 has 2.4
marian-pl has 2.3

other team:
verybadperson has 3.5
hlr.sap has 2.9
^propalica^ has 2.8
[ne-ko] has 2.5
sevs has 2

Your place in this game was 5th or 6th, which would mean half of the players in this game were better/equal with you.
Judging those 2 games by kills/deaths/assists as you suggested would mean you were among lower players in these 2 games.
I don't think you are among lower players in this games having played with you many times, and I am sure you don't consider yourself lower as well.

To conclude: seeding players like this would probably bring even more imbalanced games where player with newer accounts would be seeded in top spots and that wouldn't be good.

PS: I consider you are not trolling with this topic, so if you have any better suggestions or ideas regarding this I would gladly listen to them.
im quoting myself now
fatality-                     1941   1947   303   72%   27%   13.8   6.2   12   2.2   2       4.2 
lazy_clown                 1681   1681   89   78%   21%   7.9   3.8   13.1   2.1   3.4   5.5
its pretty much obvios whos better player from the 2 of them but lazy_clown has higher (K+A)/D which would cause again unbalance.
i suggested to take under consideration only k/d even that assist are important but as u can see they can fuck up whole thing.
as for the number of games u are right but it can be fixed. every new player will have 1 or 1.5 default k/d ratio until he reach 10 games and then system will count from there and on. that will prevent players from having 20 k/d ratio after first or second game.i insist this should be taken under consideration but seems like Cen its to bussy to check it. @Astaroth your opinion :p

Yes, we already discussed that, but you can't take assists out of equation - nobody would want to play support hero, everyone would pick shitty heroes that can easily gain many kills, and those who would play support would end up with shitty k/d, and kicked from games because of that... Also there would be much more rage about "stealing" kills, etc. Can't work without assists in equation.

Also my post on that thread proved how KDA can place good player behind 8 other players, where surely not all 8 of them were actually better players.

And yeah Cen is busy with new map, this is to be discussed until then.
even now nobody cares about supporting the team lol,its not that things are good and after that are going to be worse after that :D do u play on the server or not?
most of the mode played is ap and there noone picks support,even the most noob on server. your argument is pretty much invalid under this circumstances. imo that change or something similar should be done asap.
Its not true, there are people who care. I know you are right and that MANY players would rather pick slark/tiny/alch, but there are those who play other heroes as well.

Yes I play, and I random in AP (playing hero I get), @Alone_MonaX  does this as well, many others do this, and play support heroes too.

Even by checking your profile I can see that you sometimes play support heroes like dazzle/warlock etc. But would you play these heroes if Kills were the only thing that mattered?


thats only 1% of the players,even those who like to support end up supporting wrong players and give up on that. players will never like to support,only if we remove stats and let only w/l which isnt the best to be done cuz stats are what makes players be still active here.
like i said on the post above,having fake good stats would be something bad bcs u end up having in team lower team-mates.
Title: Re: Server improvement suggestions
Post by: LexMonster on April 05, 2018, 03:57 pm
Based on your suggestions, I can see that most of you want:

1. New map
2. Improved PSR formula

New map can cause serious increase of players, but can also cause serious decrease of players - if it turns out that majority of the users do not adopt/accept it. Remember, its ~20 of us deciding for the thousand of users on this server. Of course, we can not please everyone, so the goal is to please the majority.

With regards to the PSR formula, its still being discussed in private, and its seems as each solution has its flaws. We can not perfect it, but an improvement will be possible.
Title: Re: Server improvement suggestions
Post by: guest49825 on April 05, 2018, 04:26 pm
1. New map
There will be two ways to play anyway, on old map and new map
2. Improved PSR formula
ELO-system which was designed to work for 1v1 games is very bad obviously, so changing it is a good idea. Unlike Meth0d's mother.

This is my feedback