I mean, i was able to use the -cam command on la too in both maps. Maybe i got you wrong? However, my teammate wasn't able to
-cam is the most useful command which is used by like 90% players here and without it the game would be trashy almost unplayable.
The fog remains the same always so idk why are you so butthurt about it monax.So, while i`ll move the camera and spend some milliseconds (to hook, for example), you will give zero fucks and just use the hook
I still don't understand it, i clearly remember it worked for me (yes on 6.88 using 1.26 patch). I used -cam 3000 and my cam distance changed.You had outdated files, ask Cen to compile my w3loader
So, that means that if i will use these files, i will be able to use -cam while everyone else wont?This is temporary solution, just to "feel it in-game and early testing stages", i`ll include it more hard-way for lil hackers
Do not remove the cam "hack". It's available to all of the players, all of us have gotten pretty used to it over the years we've been stuck with 6.85 map here.
It's gonna cause a lot of discomfort amongst players because literally everyone has gotten used to it.
You are not capable of having an argument without insulting someone. I do not use the cam mode to gain an advantage over someone. That alone contradicts with you calling it a "hack". I use it because of the widescreen and high-resolution monitor where a hero image takes 1/3 of the entire screen. The horde of 5 creeps takes another third.
It's awful to look at. Why take away something that can make this shitty graphic more enjoyable?
What is unfair about it?
Also stop pretending you're this dumb, it isn't funny no more.
Are you suggesting we should ban warkeys and click with mouse on items/spells because warkeys aren't inbuilt in old dota resulting in noob-like games? I would rather autoattack prior to doing that.Warcraft3 has own hotkeys - NumPad for inventory, ctrl+[num] for unitgroups, hotkeys for spells. Even customkeys.txt if it is really needed (never used it, tho)
So again, what is unfair about camera adjustment when everyone can ''install'' , as u'd call it, it ingame making the game more playable and less noob-like.How exactly does it make the game more playable and less noob-like?
As for map hack, having vision over the whole map denying basics of warding/dewarding and the whole gameplay itself, is completely another thing.Still the point of providing advantage over another players is same.
Guess one has to take an actual photo of his monitor with dota on it, pretty hard to judge based on screenshots onlyYeash
-cam is an inbuilt feature of dota, not even a bug or a third party tool. Should we maybe give bans for picking unbalanced heroes too?-cam is an inbuilt feature of dota.
w3l.exe is a hack itself, why not ban for using it as well?How does it provide advantage to players compared to another players in same game?
Gproxy.exe is a hack which gives advantage to people using it by letting them reconnect.How does it provide advantage to players compared to another players in same game?
Lagabuse.com bots are configured for lower delays, compared to official servers, also unfair.How does it provide advantage to players compared to another players in same game?
The problem (which everyone fails to explain) on big screen is distance.
Moving your mouse from point A to point B, with or without using cam.
I'll give an example,
kja playing on 15" monitor needs to move mouse 7cm to cover such distance.
Agent playing on 22" monitor needs to move mouse 10cm to cover that same distance.
Means kja is at advantage since he will react few ms faster.
Now if agent uses cam to "smaller" that distance - he will see more of the map, than kja does - means Agent gets advantage.
There isn't a perfect solution honestly.
w3l.exe is a hack itself, why not ban for using it as well?
How does it provide advantage to players compared to another players in same game?
Gproxy.exe is a hack which gives advantage to people using it by letting them reconnect.
How does it provide advantage to players compared to another players in same game?
Lagabuse.com bots are configured for lower delays, compared to official servers, also unfair.
How does it provide advantage to players compared to another players in same game?
The fact hack is now built-in is wrongI don't think its that wrong. Even if dracolich decided to remove warding and enable maphack for everyone, it would be a game aspect, not a hack.
even Dracol1ch's team calls it camhack
I have a different version of w3l.exe and can use different features, as read from previous posts -> not fairLINK WITH MY REPLY (http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?topic=185114.msg669100#msg669100):
Gproxy puts more pressure and thus people with weaker connection are more likely to have problemsPeople with weak connections should not even play competitive games, they ruin it anyway. We have ladder here, if this word still has some meaning for people (well, for me not). People with weak connections are having problems in their connections, not in gproxy, the hell.
Players with lower ping have an advantage with lower latency on la bots, compared to playing with default warcraft 3 latency towards people with higher ping, no?How does it provide advantage to players compared to another players in same game?
I don't think its that wrong. Even if dracolich decided to remove warding and enable maphack for everyone, it would be a game aspect, not a hack.That`s dumb. We could just switch to Chinesse dota map, they even released Monkey king hero already and they are having no in-game hacks. When map developer gets crazy (is not yet. the camhack is only one weird case for now), we should stop considering things as 'game aspects'. We are not dumb sheeps, we can select things.
They also use another hack, the memhack which the whole new map is built on, why not object against it and say its wrong?How does it provide advantage to players compared to another players in same game?
Edit: isn't -widescreen a thing which was introduced in 1.28.x versions?We are reading here opinions of people, which were playing 1.28.x warcraft for few years, what is the point of this question?
The problem (which everyone fails to explain) on big screen is distance.
Moving your mouse from point A to point B, with or without using cam.
I'll give an example,
kja playing on 15" monitor needs to move mouse 7cm to cover such distance.
Agent playing on 22" monitor needs to move mouse 10cm to cover that same distance.
Means kja is at advantage since he will react few ms faster.
Now if agent uses cam to "smaller" that distance - he will see more of the map, than kja does - means Agent gets advantage.
There isn't a perfect solution honestly.
No one stops people from using windowed mode with correct resolution
Or -widescreen thingy
People with weak connections should not even play competitive games
Are people playing on la bots and people with default war3 latency being in same game (i repeat even using bold font)?
They also use another hack, the memhack which the whole new map is built on, why not object against it and say its wrong?
How does it provide advantage to players compared to another players in same game?
We are reading here opinions of people, which were playing 1.28.x warcraft for few years, what is the point of this question?
Widescreen can be implemented for 1.26 too if need
When map developer gets crazy (is not yet. the camhack is only one weird case for now), we should stop considering things as 'game aspects'. We are not dumb sheeps, we can select things.
About monitors, i repeat 99999th time - i AGREE about it, but i just need proofs - screenshots
Maybe there is another, better solution
Maybe we will calculate cam distance personally for every resolution and call it feature, lul
Ehm, no. This is video renderer option, not in-game camera option
And this is brought by main game developers to 1.28+ as a special feature for widescreen monitors. So we could port it into 1.26. Probably.
About monitors, i repeat 99999th time - i AGREE about it, but i just need proofs - screenshots
Maybe there is another, better solution
Maybe we will calculate cam distance personally for every resolution and call it feature, lul
Well, then people with weak PCs who have 10 fps should not play dota too? Or should we also force everyone to play on 10 fps so its fair?People with weak PC's won`t be able to play finely the current 6.88 map anyway, the fps drops are real (at least, in the current version with GUI; they might fix it soon)
However, the fact that many people are used to camhack should also be considered.
The real question, which deer already asked is, if those who don't use it "care" or "don't care" about others using it.
QuoteThe real question, which deer already asked is, if those who don't use it "care" or "don't care" about others using it.
I agree. Want to add that i saw many people reporting or arguing about maphack, but i have seen none complaining about hotkeys or camera distance
makes the game playable and less noob-like.When your screen shows more than just your hero you are able to react and cast spells and target units therefore it is more playable.
Repeating same non-explained thing over and over does not work.
Go ahead and explain it, asking 2nd time, lul
And yes, I'm sure that those who have huge monitors can afford 1 more smaller monitor so then won't be problems.
And yes, I'm sure that those who have huge monitors can afford 1 more smaller monitor so then won't be problems.
Seriously? That would be your big solution? :D:D:D:D
Instead of leaving the cam mode so everyone can adjust it accordingly to their monitors, you would have solved this by forcing someone to buy a new "smaller" monitor so they can play a 15 years old game just because you are "sure" they can afford it?
I swear to fucking god these people...
Is there gonna be -cam mode or not?
In case we will host some global tournaments - we will get back to this subject
Who gives a fuck whether it is in d2 or not, rofl, go back to your cave.totally agreed he kicking me from games coz i improved and rape his ass, he has some complexs, fuck him.
Funny thing here is you seem to be still mad at me for raping you in our 1v1 matches, i just cant stop rofling how pathetic you are.
Grow up already and get over it kiddo.
You've been playing dota just fine without it before, but now you suddenly can't play dota anymore without camhack ?There were not 26 inch flats when i was 15 years old :'(
OK, so I played 5-6 games without using -cam (after previously using it on 1950) and I adjusted to it completely fine. I'd like to see photos from these people who use it for technical reasons.agree with your opinion i use it rarely tooo maybe some time i use it , no need it and dont care. :)))
I still pretty much "don't care at all" like I voted on the poll, but if I'd have to choose between keeping it or removing it, I'd vote to remove it.
Based on this poll and feedback from todays game we will remove cam restriction.My screen is restricted Without -cam adjustment... xd