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Title: Change ban rules
Post by: Corristo on May 15, 2017, 19:08
If you don't want to loose 80% of the players, I suggest to not ban anyone anymore for insults, flamings etc. Any player can use !ignore and /dnd commands. All further explications are in vain. If you can't take some insults, it means you are a pussy.

Quote: ''  How does it feel, to be soo weak, that mere words can hurt you? "

Any admin who reads this, take this advice serious as fuck :D
Title: Re: Change ban rules
Post by: luke on May 15, 2017, 19:22
Would you like to see people flaming all the time, anywhere?
Title: Re: Change ban rules
Post by: jeandarc on May 15, 2017, 19:27
i completely agree with corristo
Title: Re: Change ban rules
Post by: Sejanus on May 15, 2017, 19:58
Corristo, but its already this way, check ban requests, no1 really ever gets ban for basic flame, I flame all the time.

The difference is they have no taste, are 12yo and and offend player's family, not the player.
So bans are the only way:)

I recommend actually learning some proper flame.
Title: Re: Change ban rules
Post by: Corristo on May 15, 2017, 20:00
kja:  They are flaming anyway. What's the difference please tell me? most players play on more accounts, so banning one won't make a difference. Try focusing to ban game ruiners, map hackers, and those kind of shitty players. Insulting comes with any online game. As I said, use Ignore and /dnd commands.

I'm tired of waiting 10-15 minutes for a game to start...you kill the server yourself with this rule.

Sejanus: Yes, but after the first insult you can ignore anyobody. As I saw in ban requests, this insulting is a cheap excuse to get sby banned.
Title: Re: Change ban rules
Post by: Corristo on May 15, 2017, 20:04
I've added a poll. Anyone can vote about this. Just to se what other players think in majority.
Title: Re: Change ban rules
Post by: Renovatio on May 15, 2017, 22:01
If you don't want to loose 80% of the players, I suggest to not ban anyone anymore for insults, flamings etc. Any player can use !ignore and /dnd commands. All further explications are in vain. If you can't take some insults, it means you are a pussy.

Quote: ''  How does it feel, to be soo weak, that mere words can hurt you? "

Any admin who reads this, take this advice serious as fuck :D

Common insults are not bannable. National/religion intolerance banning is a MUST. So, your idea should be focused on family flames. Are you sure we are losing so many players because they are banned for flames? How about all the other places where you cant flame? If a coffee shop is allowing their clients to smoke and another one is not then the 1st one will get mostly smokers and the 2nd one mostly non-smokers. Other example: if you choose to make your backyard a public dump then all the people around you will drop their garbage there. Get my point? You are asking the staff to show more tolerance to users low-educated and/or with behavior problems (mostly personality disorders with impulsivity as main effect). If this place will lower its level to that kind of audience then that kind of audience will get. It is true that most of our users are flamers but there is also a minority of mature players that makes our games, in particulary, and this server, in generally, enjoyable. Having 5 games in a row getting flamed can be compensated after finally playing 1 with guys that know how to have fun. Any lost game can be fun with some team armony (jokes, funny/interesting gameplay, teamplay, good communication; all, treads of maturity) while any win can bring no joy if you got frustrated, angry, disturbed etc while playing it. Imagine how it would be playing with frustrated kids that are flaming in every game, all long game, having to use !ignore and /dnd to the point that becomes a regular setup as -hhn, -cam x, etc It is better to lose some of the flamers than to lose those few mature players that we have.

About being a pussy for not taking insults. I think we can all take some insults but no matter how calm a person can be it can still annoy him/her or making someone to feel uncomfortable while playing. Is not about being a pussy; flamers will flame back (making from chat their verbal battleground forcing others to take sides or ignore them) and users wilth common sense will not enjoy playing because, if they dont regulary use that kind of language, then will affect them in a different way, killing their mood.

One more argument: allowing flaming will (ofc) increase the flames in games, resulting in a lot of !ignore and /dnd. Imagine DotA without chat, a team-game without team-communication.

Anyway, I am glad to see that people still care about this place, coming with ideas to keep it alive; even if your idea may be a bad one (from, at least, my point of view). Dont get me wrong, I am not arguing with you. You asked feedback so I made some time and gave you mine.  :)
Title: Re: Change ban rules
Post by: _xpam_ on May 15, 2017, 22:31
lol u guys had diffarent tolarance  gipsy was not bannable but when i used i got ban
if gipsy bannable then why shit tr fucking tr or kebap not bannable ?
and i also did common insult and i get ban again by iernesto
and when some kid provoking us   at least we get warn  thats why ?
some kido provoed me and i did insult family flame but i got ban 5 days jesus christ with 2600 games and clear acc
P.s u can see a lot of idiot brainless uselss nab in everygame so i am caling them idiot he said your mom is idiot and fight starting bu xpam getting ban
jean occ
Title: Re: Change ban rules
Post by: Hamza on May 15, 2017, 22:37
Common insults are not bannable.
It is bannable as well.
Title: Re: Change ban rules
Post by: _xpam_ on May 15, 2017, 22:44
Common insults are not bannable.
It is bannable as well.
I thought this will be drama thread but then I reminded myself that this place is dead  :D
Title: Re: Change ban rules
Post by: Renovatio on May 15, 2017, 22:48
Common insults are not bannable.
It is bannable as well.

It seems the rules were updated. I was offline for some time and didnt saw till now.

Quote
a) Common flames
          - Retard, idiot, b*tch, motherf*cker and similar expressions are considered as common flames.
          - Excessive usage of common flames in one game may lead to a ban.

I guess only the excessive usage is bannable and I'm pretty sure that the sanctions will not be harsh. I dont think the B&U mods will ban someone for using "moron", "tard", "motherfucker", etc a few times in a game. Usually, the ones that are insulting excessively are also combining their insults with family flames. I rlly dont think that will be to many bans for just excessive usage of common flames. 

@Horizon - you copy-pasted that sentece from someone or you found a better online translator  ;D ;D :P I rarely understand you from reading your replies just once, like now xD
Title: Re: Change ban rules
Post by: Corristo on May 15, 2017, 22:52
Xpam is right about that part.the admins are making absolutely not fair decisions when it comes to insults.some cases they deny becouse "its not enough" and others cases they ban for almost nothing.
Then if the reported person is same nationality as the respective admin its almist 0 chance for ban.same happens versa.

It happened to me and i reported that admin to higher staff but you guys are protecting your staff members. And this is more annoying then some flames...
Title: Re: Change ban rules
Post by: _xpam_ on May 15, 2017, 22:56
i remember very well bro. when i was mod or part of stf a lot guys hated me about my decision but they should lick my balls xD i was best here legendery i tried to give  warn all the time now ( not offonsive for ban unban sec love them ) they are giving so wild ban
can you translate it pls reno what does it mean mother fucker ?  if i know true with my poor ing it is not fuck your mother but xpam demoted for that and this guy provoked xpam lel  but i did not mute him cause no accses u guys won the my hate xD
Title: Re: Change ban rules
Post by: Renovatio on May 15, 2017, 23:00
Xpam is right about that part.the admins are making absolutely not fair decisions when it comes to insults.some cases they deny becouse "its not enough" and others cases they ban for almost nothing.
Then if the reported person is same nationality as the respective admin its almist 0 chance for ban.same happens versa.

It happened to me and i reported that admin to higher staff but you guys are protecting your staff members. And this is more annoying then some flames...

Ask Xpam if we are protecting our mods.
Giving sanctions is not a simple step-by-step process. There are a lot of variables involved in taking that decisions and I'm sure that the user's nationality isnt one of them. 2 players can get different sanctions for the same flame, for example. Maybe one of them was provoked, maybe one has an older account with big amount of games, maybe has lower warn level or no warns at all, maybe has permanently banned accounts or many accounts warned, etc If you consider that a mod isnt doing its job properly then you should always report it to the Head mods. If that moderator abused or just failed at his job then trust me that the administration will take measures in order to prevent happening again. Trust me, the training is not easy as you think it is. It may look simple giving sanctions but is way more complicated than you think. Almost every ban request is unique.
Title: Re: Change ban rules
Post by: Renovatio on May 15, 2017, 23:05
i remember very well bro. when i was mod or part of stf a lot guys hated me about my decision but they should lick my balls xD i was best here legendery i tried to give  warn all the time now ( not offonsive for ban unban sec love them ) they are giving so wild ban
can you translate it pls reno what does it mean mother fucker ?  if i know true with my poor ing it is not fuck your mother but xpam demoted for that and this guy provoked xpam lel  but i did not mute him cause no accses u guys won the my hate xD

Dont bullshit me xD You werent demoted for that. "motherfucker" is a common expression and is not bannable because it does not specify someone's mother. Also, that expression can (and usually does) equivalate with "badass", which is used as a compliment.
Title: Re: Change ban rules
Post by: _xpam_ on May 15, 2017, 23:09
if to be hotnest yes you are protecting mods/admins
for exp hob1x jimmy  they broked a lot of rules you should take them accses and you should give them ban but we had a special section req user could not see. they just getting simply warn also now i saw 3-4 ban req about some admin i do not want to give name they should get ban and demote (ifi demoted for motehrfucker ) it will be fair
and if u call any admins or mods low dog nab shit etc u get mute lel  i get mute  many times of it (they do not know my fake accounts ) xD so it is also abuse but i  did not report cause i know nothing will be chance.
Ps reno i love u not talking about you talking about system.. and i know what you write about me after i got demote
xpam demoted insulting player etc xD as u said it is not bannable and not insult D
Title: Re: Change ban rules
Post by: Corristo on May 15, 2017, 23:13
Renovatio.
I wish i could believe you.honestly i do.
But i saw what i saw.i gave concrete proofs against a player but his same nationality admin friends jumped in to protect him.they even commented on my ban req. That was the moment when i realised the whole bunch of B&U staff are corrupt people who are abusing their power. I reported the case higher and nothing happened. Friends protect friends...

Since then i never report anybody becouse there is no point.
Thats why i started this topic but i see you think the exact opposite. Sorry if i disapoint you but thats the truth.
Title: Re: Change ban rules
Post by: _xpam_ on May 15, 2017, 23:14
and my last word . we are lossed a lot of players if u are not change rule about flame then try to give min ban  warn
exp 1st famiy lame 3 days make it 1 days like this
Title: Re: Change ban rules
Post by: Corristo on May 15, 2017, 23:18
So again back to the topic. What I originally tried to suggest is why to not ban insults is becouse many players use that as a cheap excuse to ban sby.they just make a post and their admin friends ban them.that simple it is.
To avoid this just dont ban. Use ignore after first insult ingame. You dont have to ignore the whole team and u can unignore later anytime.
Title: Re: Change ban rules
Post by: Akuma on May 15, 2017, 23:23
First of all I thank you for your suggestions. Now I will point out everything you are wrong about.

1) I don't want to ignore my whole team because I don't know if I will get flamed or not. Communication is very important in dota and I hate to ignore people. So people who can't play this game for the sake of game, but come here to flame should and must be banned.

2) By deleting this rule you either make - flame war each game, or full team ignore each game.

3) There are a lot of factors we take in when deciding about ban, warn, duration. Renovatio already gave you some examples, also I agree that different mod can make different decision, but you can always ask head moderator to look about decision you didn't like.

4) Multiaccounting can be stopped if we decide that certain player needs to be put down for good for some time. In this case he can't access from any accounts.

5) I like it how you talk about "wild bans" and "mod abuse" and I received 0 complaints, same as my head mods. Everyone can get sanctioned, even mods. You just have to do this properly, and with proofs ofcourse.

6) I would like you to PM this request you are talking about to me, im really curious, and I will give you explanations.
Title: Re: Change ban rules
Post by: Renovatio on May 15, 2017, 23:25
if to be hotnest yes you are protecting mods/admins
for exp hob1x jimmy  they broked a lot of rules you should take them accses and you should give them ban but we had a special section req user could not see. they just getting simply warn also now i saw 3-4 ban req about some admin i do not want to give name they should get ban and demote (ifi demoted for motehrfucker ) it will be fair
and if u call any admins or mods low dog nab shit etc u get mute lel  i get mute  many times of it (they do not know my fake accounts ) xD so it is also abuse but i  did not report cause i know nothing will be chance.
Ps reno i love u not talking about you talking about system.. and i know what you write about me after i got demote
xpam demoted insulting player etc xD as u said it is not bannable and not insult D

Both got demoted but, to be honest, Jimmy was one of the best B&U mods this place had. He was impulsive, temperamental but was a great mod. He deserved to be given a 2nd chance. They werent "protected" but you cannot just simple demote a guy after making a mistake. There are enough sanctions that can be given before rushing for demotion. You know that isnt easy to train a mod and takes time, plus that isnt easy to get good trial mods. The best thing to do is to try to "fix" a mod before demoting him; the same hing that I did with you. Lets not talk about these things here, is all in the past, anyway. The system is not perfect (no system is; even nature has its faults, not to mention the society) but is good system.

P.S. We are offtopic, Horizon. Lets not reply if has nothing to do with the topic's subject.
Title: Re: Change ban rules
Post by: _xpam_ on May 15, 2017, 23:28
i shaered my idea carristo is rgiht u  should change rule or ban days
10/8 admin not activite player and they dont know we need to wait for 1600+ games  25 min jesus christ
Title: Re: Change ban rules
Post by: guest49825 on May 16, 2017, 01:59
didnt read
for example, there are another platform and they created something like 'semi-mute'
so u basically can just say something short and game related, like 'ss [heroname]', 'go rosh', 'share pls', but nothing else for a while (for ~ 2 hours there).
 But some1 could implement it here, so new accs will have limited capabilities
...
and deers:o
Title: Re: Change ban rules
Post by: Corristo on May 16, 2017, 06:34
Akuma:
1- why should I ignore my whole team as you predict? I can ignore just one player if he is idiot.i really dont get your logic.hilarious..

2- flame war? What are you talking about? Can you give some more trust and respect to the players of this server?
Dont automatcally assume that 90% of the players are assholes...
Yes, occasionaly EVERBODY insults sometimes. But im playing dota for like 8 years and most of the cases players dont insult without any reason...and i can see that 90% of bam req are for this reason.
Years ago almost nobody got banned becouse of insults, it was part of the game you can say. Nowdays i can see only hypersensitive players and moderators who call themselfs dota players but they just cant wait the opportunity to get flamed so they can report sby. I wanted to suggest to put an end to this,  but its totally up to you guys. You are the admins of this server.

We are just players who wait 20 minutes in lobbys for players to join. :)

One last question to you Akuma:
Are you even playing? Ive never seen you in games.
Maybe you are using another account?
Title: Re: Change ban rules
Post by: cyb on May 16, 2017, 06:53


Quote: ''  How does it feel, to be soo weak, that mere words can hurt you? "


You think you are stronK ? Ok,heres my suggestion.

-Try to make donation system in B&U section
- Money is reserved for insulters and family flamers


I think little trips around balkan would be AWESOME! - for start
and when you get what you deserve and when someone cut your little tongue then you will never say something like that!

OR maybe soft version of this
"LA Events"
We can think about one specify city thats near for most of users and we can gather there(If someone is far,far away then hope is on big and full wallet :D )drink beer and make some grill for "vegans" we have plenty grass here so dont worry!
Title: Re: Change ban rules
Post by: -Natsumi on May 16, 2017, 08:54
Dota is a highly competitive game so its normal that people gets angry sometimes and flame, nothing wrong with that. Thats why we have ignore and dnd commands to mute annoying players.

Even if you guys keep banning players for insults you shouldnt be so harsh. Tablo of sanctions...

Family related flame 1st time = 3 days ban-permanently
Game ruining on purpose 1st time = 2-7 days ban

Really? So if someone gets angry and flames a little he gets more ban than someone who ruin the game on purpose for his team? Give me a break.

And by the way whats the point of this ban system that you can just simply switch account and keep playing? For example i reported a game ruiner who made our team lose, he got 8 days ban. Cool. But im sure he still playing using another account, so whats the point? Will he learn from it? Probably no. Most players dont give a shit about psr anyway, so its not a punishment that they have to use another account for a few days.
Title: Re: Change ban rules
Post by: Renovatio on May 16, 2017, 09:29

Even if you guys keep banning players for insults you shouldnt be so harsh. Tablo of sanctions...

Family related flame 1st time = 3 days ban-permanently
Game ruining on purpose 1st time = 2-7 days ban

Is case depending. A 2 days ban for game ruining is given to someone that affected the game at a given time but not enough to ruin it. For example, I would give 2 days + 2 warns to someone that abused toss on his teammate but without getting him killed (abused = more than once). The same guy can get a longer ban for flame if he flamed someone's family more than once. A guy that rlly ruined the game will not get a 2-3 days ban. Also, ruining a game it doesnt mean that you can get max 7 days ban. That sanction is for a specific act of game ruining. Ruining the game by refusing to play, sabotagging teammates, feeding with couriers will result in a cumulated sanction of the rules that he broke. For family flame the sanction can be permanently from 1st time (or much longer than 3 days) depending on what the player said. Ofcourse you can get permanently banned from 1st time breaking that rule if you flamed excessively. The point is that a player that actually ruined the game will not get a softer ban than a flamer. Is all case depending.
Title: Re: Change ban rules
Post by: marian1012 on May 16, 2017, 12:51
the ban rules honestly need a "renovation"

hehe, u get it? renovatio - renovation, hahahaha

jean, the mushrooms u recommended rly are good XD XD hehehe
Title: Re: Change ban rules
Post by: Sejanus on May 17, 2017, 23:31
Really? So if someone gets angry and flames a little he gets more ban than someone who ruin the game on purpose for his team? Give me a break.

There is no reason why he cannot use different words, like I said I flame all the time><

Family related one shows how deeply undeveloped and manner-less person is and that is why such kid need to be kept away from community.

Do you really care when some1 offend u? nope, but if they involve your family into dota, they take it to a whole new level.
Title: Re: Change ban rules
Post by: -Natsumi on May 19, 2017, 16:15
I feel like im in the kindergarten. Yesterday i got reported for saying "shit", today reported for saying "gipsy"... ???
I dont understand why these ultra sensitive kids who cant tolerate some flaming play with competitive multiplayer games.
Title: Re: Change ban rules
Post by: Face^Guy on May 19, 2017, 20:32
What about this,
grow up, stop insulting, use !ignore command and be happy?
Title: Re: Change ban rules
Post by: -Natsumi on May 19, 2017, 22:51
What about this,
grow up, stop insulting, use !ignore command and be happy?

Face guy, dont you realize there is another reason to keep flaming? Its eby. That guy writes 5 ban requests every single day, this is his hobby. The main reason he actually plays dota here is that he loves to report flamers. Just imagine how sad and depressed he would be if noone insult anyone on this server. So, just because of empathy towards eby we have to keep on with insults.
Title: Re: Change ban rules
Post by: cyb on May 19, 2017, 22:59
What about this,
grow up, stop insulting, use !ignore command and be happy?

Face guy, dont you realize there is another reason to keep flaming? Its eby. That guy writes 5 ban requests every single day, this is his hobby. The main reason he actually plays dota here is that he loves to report flamers. Just imagine how sad and depressed he would be if noone insult anyone on this server. So, just because of empathy towards eby we have to keep on with insults.
Get them tiger?
Title: Re: Change ban rules
Post by: _xpam_ on May 19, 2017, 23:42
What about this,
grow up, stop insulting, use !ignore command and be happy?
lol u must be kidding. that is not funeh i wil play good and i will lose game of one useless nab + i will lose in my life 40-75 min so i will ignore him and i will not do flame
fuck the system then  8)
Title: Re: Change ban rules
Post by: Corristo on May 20, 2017, 08:26
The best and funniest reason why I've got PERMA FUCKING BAN was, when i literally said to someone ''sry, I don't speak gypsy''.

And Permaban for this? even the admin is a damn kid. Ofc he was same nationality as the person i said to (both of them serbians). Like they live still in the dark age ffs...

And the higher staff say they don't ban/unban based on friend relations... you are all damn liers.

Stop banning for every shitty insult and grow some balls plz :D
Title: Re: Change ban rules
Post by: Renovatio on May 20, 2017, 09:12
The best and funniest reason why I've got PERMA FUCKING BAN was, when i literally said to someone ''sry, I don't speak gypsy''.

And Permaban for this? even the admin is a damn kid. Ofc he was same nationality as the person i said to (both of them serbians). Like they live still in the dark age ffs...

And the higher staff say they don't ban/unban based on friend relations... you are all damn liers.

Stop banning for every shitty insult and grow some balls plz :D

Dude, first of all > you are romanian and we are usually insulted with terms like "gypsy", why the fuck would you use it on another guy?

Also, you are asking them to stop banning for every shitty insult but you also post ban req for every shitty insult: http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?topic=177807.0

About both being serbians, well, check the staff members by nationality and use !f in games, from time to time. There are a lot of them here.
Title: Re: Change ban rules
Post by: ClaraSchuman on May 20, 2017, 09:18
Ofc he was same nationality as the person i said to (both of them serbians). Like they live still in the dark age ffs...

What u wanna to say with this ?
Title: Re: Change ban rules
Post by: Corristo on May 20, 2017, 10:59
Exactly renovatios. When I say something to the serbian guy they perma ban me for national intolerance.
When they say THE EXACT SAME thing , then it's totally ''acceptable'' in your opinion? Just becouse they say it to romanians ITS ACCEPTABLE?

Double standards at it's finest my friend. This was the post when I've lost all faith in your justice system.Totally useless to make posts anymore.
Title: Re: Change ban rules
Post by: ClaraSchuman on May 20, 2017, 11:04
Ok. Gl cya.
Title: Re: Change ban rules
Post by: Renovatio on May 20, 2017, 11:06
Exactly renovatios. When I say something to the serbian guy they perma ban me for national intolerance.
When they say THE EXACT SAME thing , then it's totally ''acceptable'' in your opinion? Just becouse they say it to romanians ITS ACCEPTABLE?

Double standards at it's finest my friend. This was the post when I've lost all faith in your justice system.Totally useless to make posts anymore.

On which account did you got that permaban? About "ro shit" insult. I was one of the B&U staff members that agreed we should not ban such insults. In almost every game you will see "turk moron", "serbian tard", "ro dog" etc. It will be disaster if we ban all of these, especially considering that are dumb and superficial insults. The B&U team will ban, instead, insults like "ro are shit", "turks are moron", "serbians are tards". These will be considered as national intolerance since they rlly are, while "ro shit" is simply stating that you are "shit" (common insult) and you are ro (fact).

I dont think you got banned only for that line. If so, then maybe it was a direct insult to some admin. Most likely you said more than that or you already had permabanned (or warned) accounts for national intolerance and/or warns on that account for the same thing. Just tell me the nick and I will check it and give you my feedback.
Title: Re: Change ban rules
Post by: ClaraSchuman on May 20, 2017, 11:17
I dont know why all of you waist your time at this man.
Title: Re: Change ban rules
Post by: VanGogh on May 20, 2017, 11:38
Exactly renovatios. When I say something to the serbian guy they perma ban me for national intolerance.
When they say THE EXACT SAME thing , then it's totally ''acceptable'' in your opinion? Just becouse they say it to romanians ITS ACCEPTABLE?

Double standards at it's finest my friend. This was the post when I've lost all faith in your justice system.Totally useless to make posts anymore.
Give me link of request where you've banned permanently saying someone is gypsy. I just dont beleive some mod banned you permanently for a common flame. There's must be some harder flame or I quess you have decent amout of flame reports.
Title: Re: Change ban rules
Post by: luke on May 20, 2017, 12:57
Exactly renovatios. When I say something to the serbian guy they perma ban me for national intolerance.
When they say THE EXACT SAME thing , then it's totally ''acceptable'' in your opinion? Just becouse they say it to romanians ITS ACCEPTABLE?

Double standards at it's finest my friend. This was the post when I've lost all faith in your justice system.Totally useless to make posts anymore.

You keep saying how bad and abusive admins are, yet you didn't provide a single example
Title: Re: Change ban rules
Post by: _xpam_ on May 20, 2017, 13:07
Exactly renovatios. When I say something to the serbian guy they perma ban me for national intolerance.
When they say THE EXACT SAME thing , then it's totally ''acceptable'' in your opinion? Just becouse they say it to romanians ITS ACCEPTABLE?

Double standards at it's finest my friend. This was the post when I've lost all faith in your justice system.Totally useless to make posts anymore.

You keep saying how bad and abusive admins are, yet you didn't provide a single example

you are nab banned me 5 days on xpam and 2700 games clear acc u should give warn ormax 1 days ban
Title: Re: Change ban rules
Post by: Corristo on May 20, 2017, 13:12
You see. that's what im talking about.

Here is the link:
http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?topic=177807.0

Renovatio provided link above where I gave you all the proofs needed for ban, and yet it still ''wasn't enough''.

So in your opinion calling sby ''Ro shit'' and ''Tr moron'' is not bannable, but saying that sry i dont speak gypsy is bannable.  But how many times do I have to repeat myself? I can see its totally useless anyway, couse you guys DON't want to understand.


Title: Re: Change ban rules
Post by: Corristo on May 20, 2017, 13:16
Akuma: this is for you directly:

http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?topic=177807.msg632033#msg632033


!denied

he was insulting you, true but you have !ignore command against such people.

he never insulted nation, he insulted you by nation. (he didn't say all ro are shit - he just said to you "ro shit") so can't be taken as national intolerance.

also the phrase he said in serbian and you copied here is considered "common flame"


SO AFTER ALL SERBIANS CAN INSULT ME BECOUSE I HAVE IGNORE COMMAND?! :D

What a theatre! :D


Title: Re: Change ban rules
Post by: _xpam_ on May 20, 2017, 13:24
Justice For Carristo
Title: Re: Change ban rules
Post by: Corristo on May 20, 2017, 13:27
Don't worry my friend. I know it very well im alone in this, and none of the admins give a damn shit but I have to say what's in my heart! :D

Jeandarc! I call you for justice! :D
Title: Re: Change ban rules
Post by: Corristo on May 20, 2017, 13:29
What I honestly expect from you all admins is this:

Yes, we are asking you forgivness, we are using double standards sometimes, also we protect our friends, unban them if necesary ,or deny requests in their favors.
We did that many times before, but we won't do it from now on.
 
Can you do it? Any of you admins at least admit this?! :)
Title: Re: Change ban rules
Post by: _xpam_ on May 20, 2017, 13:31
What I honestly expect from you all admins is this:

Yes, we are asking you forgivness, we are using double standards sometimes, also we protect our friends, unban them if necesary ,or deny requests in their favors.
We did that many times before, but we won't do it from now on.
 
Can you do it? Any of you admins at least admit this?! :)
No. i do not agree ith u  all ban unban team are my friends and i was mod 2 years and i got banned 4-5 times so dont think lie this  they are trying to give fair decision all the time
Title: Re: Change ban rules
Post by: luke on May 20, 2017, 13:33
What I honestly expect from you all admins is this:

Yes, we are asking you forgivness, we are using double standards sometimes, also we protect our friends, unban them if necesary ,or deny requests in their favors.
We did that many times before, but we won't do it from now on.
 
Can you do it? Any of you admins at least admit this?! :)

Well, for example i don't protect my friends. They know that if they break the rules they will get punished for that. The thing is that they don't break any rules, unlike some other people who posted in this thread
Title: Re: Change ban rules
Post by: Akuma on May 20, 2017, 15:21
And which part of my answer you don't understand?

Here you suggest we remove ban for flaming, yet you got triggered and reported someone who used common flame on you, like "shit", "idiot", "moron" ? Because that is what your report was about.

You think I protect cyberajber because he is my friend, or because he is serbian, let me tell you I banned him on several occasions, and I can't really know the number of Serbians I banned throughout my status as a mod here. Your ban request didn't have enough strength to get him ban, and thats all.
Title: Re: Change ban rules
Post by: Renovatio on May 20, 2017, 15:36
Since you clearly consider Akuma is abuser I will also give my feedback.

From what I see, cyberajber had no warns at that moment but he had big amount of games. In such cases at least the 1st sanction is softer. About national intolerance: it wasnt enough. As I told you, the B&U team doesnt ban for those insults. About that flame with "materinu": I dont know how to translate it exactly but if it was about your mother then I would gave him 1-2 warns. Ofc, the decision can vary based on the moderator's/admin's judgement. Akuma is right, you didnt had a strong ban req in order to get him banned; and you have my word that Cyberajber isnt friend with him. Actually, cyberajber pissed me off a few times, also insulted me in game and on forum (via PM). I had no reasons to defend him.

About you being permabanned for just that: you gave no link or username. It is clear that you exagerated.

The B&U staff is made up from fair and mature users. I dont know to well the new mods but I asure you that Kja, Akuma and Ernesto are not abusers and they are the highest in B&U section.

Just accept the fact that was not enough to ban him, accept the fact that (maybe) in some ocasion somone had enough proof against you in order to get you banned and move one. Stop being a grudgy romanian like the ones that lived in the communist regime.
Title: Re: Change ban rules
Post by: _xpam_ on May 20, 2017, 15:44
The B&U staff is made up from fair and mature users. I dont know to well the new mods but I asure you that Kja, Akuma and Ernesto are not abusers and they are the highest in B&U section.
you want to say  i was abuser lul xD
w/e Xeqtr talked me and he said he want to see back in stf but not in ban unban section he said he think about global admin posetion for me lul xD
Title: Re: Change ban rules
Post by: nikolagay on May 20, 2017, 15:45
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Title: Re: Change ban rules
Post by: nikolagay on May 20, 2017, 15:46
Dang tablet. You get the point anyway lol
Title: Re: Change ban rules
Post by: _xpam_ on May 20, 2017, 16:16
Dang tablet. You get the point anyway lol
i totaly agree with u.
Title: Re: Change ban rules
Post by: Renovatio on May 20, 2017, 16:24
Dang tablet. You get the point anyway lol

xD
Title: Re: Change ban rules
Post by: cyb on May 20, 2017, 17:17
Akuma abuser! Demote him,pls.


Corristo since you are some badass and "man of honor" come visit me. I didnt practice for a while. When i said that you are dog obviously you was very boring. I didnt said all of them are acually i have friends from Romania. Prefer to say "cyber friends"
Title: Re: Change ban rules
Post by: Corristo on May 20, 2017, 17:51
Cyber: I would visit you if I would be gay, but I prefer women anyway.Sry about that. If you challanged me t fight, I fear you would leave the place with less teeth as before u came. I dealed with more than 1 big mouth guys like you.

Renovatio: It was in 2014,
Corristo !permabanned for national intolerance

http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=5596796

29:10   Corristo   [All]   FREE VOJVODINA
29:12   Corristo   [All]   FREE KOSOVO

That was why I was getting perma.
I can't open the link neighter, but this was the game from the report.
Title: Re: Change ban rules
Post by: nikolagay on May 20, 2017, 17:53
Cyber: I would visit you if I would be gay, but I prefer women anyway.Sry about that. If you challanged me t fight, I fear you would leave the place with less teeth as before u came. I dealed with more than 1 big mouth guys like you.

Renovatio: It was in 2014,
Corristo !permabanned for national intolerance

http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=5596796

29:10   Corristo   [All]   FREE VOJVODINA
29:12   Corristo   [All]   FREE KOSOVO

That was why I was getting perma. Kosovois free already, Vojvodina will be in the future.

I haven't seen this much autism since Dat Boi. My IQ dropped for 20% just by reading this...
Title: Re: Change ban rules
Post by: Corristo on May 20, 2017, 17:55
Nikolagay,  I know you still have hard feelings becouse I raped your ass yesterday, But you can have your revange anytime INGAME.

Anyway, you can guys close or delelte this thread, we are going nowhere here.everything will be as it was before, and this server is gonna die in 1 max 2 year.

Have fun for that time.
Title: Re: Change ban rules
Post by: nikolagay on May 20, 2017, 17:57
Nikolagay,  I know you still have hard feelings becouse I raped your ass yesterday, But you can have your revange anytime INGAME.

Anyway, you can guys close or delelte this thread, we are going nowhere here.everything will be as it was before, and this server is gonna die in 1 max 2 year.

Have fun for that time.
(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/016/555/12d.jpg)
Title: Re: Change ban rules
Post by: cyb on May 20, 2017, 18:24
Cyber: I would visit you if I would be gay, but I prefer women anyway.Sry about that. If you challanged me t fight, I fear you would leave the place with less teeth as before u came. I dealed with more than 1 big mouth guys like you.

Renovatio: It was in 2014,
Corristo !permabanned for national intolerance

http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=5596796

29:10   Corristo   [All]   FREE VOJVODINA
29:12   Corristo   [All]   FREE KOSOVO

That was why I was getting perma.
I can't open the link neighter, but this was the game from the report.
Come,come. I wanna talk with you about that "gay" part. I'm very openminded
About this "Free Kosovo,Free Vojvodina" - You dont know what are you talking about obviously your nose is still in your "friends" ass
Title: Re: Change ban rules
Post by: _xpam_ on May 20, 2017, 18:43
chill out cyber kja can warn u  ;D
Title: Re: Change ban rules
Post by: Face^Guy on May 20, 2017, 19:35
What about this,
grow up, stop insulting, use !ignore command and be happy?
lol u must be kidding. that is not funeh i wil play good and i will lose game of one useless nab + i will lose in my life 40-75 min so i will ignore him and i will not do flame
fuck the system then  8)

U are still naive kid, get a real life.

Nikolagay,  I know you still have hard feelings becouse I raped your ass yesterday, But you can have your revange anytime INGAME.

Anyway, you can guys close or delelte this thread, we are going nowhere here.everything will be as it was before, and this server is gonna die in 1 max 2 year.

Have fun for that time.

Typical,
"I got ban, this server sux, they are abusers and everyone hate me for noreason",
dude wake up, instead of apologies, u started to blame staff how they are wrong.
Did u break rules? I think yes, so...
Title: Re: Change ban rules
Post by: Corristo on May 20, 2017, 19:46
What rule did i break? I can't tell my opinion becouse you gonna ban me? typical abusive behavior, one bad word and u already threaten.
Title: Re: Change ban rules
Post by: Akuma on May 20, 2017, 19:53
Back in 2014 rules were different, and you could get banned even for common flaming, you can't really draw a comparison between your ban at that time and current situation.
Title: Re: Change ban rules
Post by: cyb on May 20, 2017, 19:56
What rule did i break? I can't tell my opinion becouse you gonna ban me? typical abusive behavior, one bad word and u already threaten.
Why do i even responde. He's obviously 10 y/o kid who want extra attention or just didnt get his "lollipop".
Grow up or find another playground where you will shit on
Title: Re: Change ban rules
Post by: Corristo on May 20, 2017, 21:20
Cyber, you are so low i won't even respond. :) i just can't find the words to describe how low mentality person you are. And im not even mentioning your even worse dota skills...
Title: Re: Change ban rules
Post by: Renovatio on May 20, 2017, 21:20
Guys, you are being to harsh with him.

@Corristo - maybe it was another ban or maybe you got locked but that account isnt banned. As I said, most likely youhad previous warns. Just take a look at your warn history on that account... You should be permabanned on that account, dude, but you are complaining that you got undeserved ban.

Title: Re: Change ban rules
Post by: Corristo on May 20, 2017, 21:34
Renovatio, just ask anybody from the old RO channel players. Most of them will know me, and also i was playing on ONE chanel with psionic.one for years. Nobody ever permabanned me, maybe for insults 1-2 days. Unikely on this server....

I was permabanned yes, not on other account but this one. And I didnt play dota for 1 year for personal reasons, and I asked unban on this acount becouse I dont have 2nd account like 99% of this server.

I was asking you guys ,what Akuma response was for me when I reported the other guy, just use !ignore command. And dont ban players for insults anymore, you would save up a lot of time from banning requests, and also a lot of players.

If not, then just close this thread, or delete it.
Title: Re: Change ban rules
Post by: _xpam_ on May 20, 2017, 21:38
Guys, you are being to harsh with him.

@Corristo - maybe it was another ban or maybe you got locked but that account isnt banned. As I said, most likely youhad previous warns. Just take a look at your warn history on that account... You should be permabanned on that account, dude, but you are complaining that you got undeserved ban.
rolf dude dont make fun with him. i know also rule  he has warn older than 1 years u could not ban him permanantly if he does one more time national intolarance
caristo go post dewarn req u fool
Title: Re: Change ban rules
Post by: Renovatio on May 20, 2017, 21:42
Renovatio, just ask anybody from the old RO channel players. Most of them will know me, and also i was playing on ONE chanel with psionic.one for years. Nobody ever permabanned me, maybe for insults 1-2 days. Unikely on this server....

I was permabanned yes, not on other account but this one. And I didnt play dota for 1 year for personal reasons, and I asked unban on this acount becouse I dont have 2nd account like 99% of this server.

I was asking you guys ,what Akuma response was for me when I reported the other guy, just use !ignore command. And dont ban players for insults anymore, you would save up a lot of time from banning requests, and also a lot of players.

If not, then just close this thread, or delete it.

I found those logs. You were permabanned by a retired B&U mod for national intolerance and some head mod unbanned with reason "not national intolerance". There is also a note left by that mod. It was all a mistake. It happened 3 years ago. Are you fucking serious? You are making so much drama for a ban given by mistake 3 years ago? A ban that was removed shortly after? And, more than this, you kept doing it and no one permabanned you again.

Now you want the staff to show more tolerance so you can free-flame in games? Why? Because you have no self-control or you have some mental issues? Get serious, wtf...

EDIT: ofc you didnt had national intolerance problems when you were playing only with romanians and I remember how it was playing with them. I got permabanned there for being noob. I also remember the game. I had Pugna, 1st time playing it. They started flaming my mother, called me retard, etc. I was saying srry and asking them how to play it. I told them I will only buy wards and stay back but they kep flaming. Some guy said that he will ban me and they votekicked me. I got permabanned and that was the last time when I played there. Where is RO channel now? They didnt survived their own stupidity, I guess.
Title: Re: Change ban rules
Post by: Renovatio on May 20, 2017, 21:47
Guys, you are being to harsh with him.

@Corristo - maybe it was another ban or maybe you got locked but that account isnt banned. As I said, most likely youhad previous warns. Just take a look at your warn history on that account... You should be permabanned on that account, dude, but you are complaining that you got undeserved ban.
rolf dude dont make fun with him. i know also rule  he has warn older than 1 years u could not ban him permanantly if he does one more time national intolarance
caristo go post dewarn req u fool

Yes. 1 year for family flames and even more for national intolerance. This guy has 2 permabans in his history for national intolerance and 3 more temporary bans again for national intolerance. National intolerance is something that this server will not tolerate, you know that. There are users with their IPs locked for such thing. Is true that there is some time between bans but this prooves the fact that he wont stop. National/Religion intolerance and racism are serious shit, above our common sense rules.
Title: Re: Change ban rules
Post by: Corristo on May 20, 2017, 21:55
Dude, I didn't post this first of all becouse of myself. you all made a drama out of this.

I suggested a simple thing: delete bans for insults, so the server wont loose that many players. Thats it no more no less. But you keep searching and attacking me, like I want to fight with you.

Oke, the staff answer to my suggestion is NO. I get that. End of story.

Why even im wasting my time here I don't know.
Title: Re: Change ban rules
Post by: Corristo on May 20, 2017, 21:59
Btw how this things works with bans and warns? Why does my profile still has it and why do you count it even if its more years old?

I do something 2 years ago, and got punished for it, then after 1-2 years u can still count it in and make the ban worse? WTF? same with warns.
Title: Re: Change ban rules
Post by: Renovatio on May 20, 2017, 22:06
Dude, I didn't post this first of all becouse of myself. you all made a drama out of this.

I suggested a simple thing: delete bans for insults, so the server wont loose that many players. Thats it no more no less. But you keep searching and attacking me, like I want to fight with you.

Oke, the staff answer to my suggestion is NO. I get that. End of story.

Why even im wasting my time here I don't know.

Well, you kept saying the staff has abusers, thaat you got refused a legit ban req and you got permabanned for nothing. I wasnt attacking you, I was searching for the true. I told you why that ban req wasnt solid and I told you that I doubt you got a permaban just for that. You were right about permaban but that was a mistake that got fixed fast; is not like they banned you and let it be, you got unbanned and I'm pretty sure that someone apologized to you for that. Also, you got 2 more legit bans for national intolerance after that situation and none was perm.

About your suggestion. You got feedback shortly after you posted it. I told you that this cannot happen and I told you why. I m sure that you do not agree but, then again, you are thinking only about your sake, not about the server's sake, as a whole. Also, you werent in staff so you can see the bigger picture and understand how this system works. Your suggestion would not improve the system, would not increase the number of players, would just make your games easier because you could flame without getting banned.

I am sorry if you felt offended and if I/we couldnt be more of a help for you. All the time invested in these replies was for you, for your information, for you to feel listen and helped. If I acted like a critic then it was for your own good, I had no reason to attack you.
Title: Re: Change ban rules
Post by: Renovatio on May 20, 2017, 22:10
Btw how this things works with bans and warns? Why does my profile still has it and why do you count it even if its more years old?

I do something 2 years ago, and got punished for it, then after 1-2 years u can still count it in and make the ban worse? WTF? same with warns.

National intolerance warns are the most serious ones and I would consider them for a period of 1.5-2 years since you do it every year. They werent considered when you got banned because the limit is 2 times. If you get banned for the 2nd time for national intolerance then you get mandatory permaban. Since you did it for about 4-5 times on that account and you are still not permabanned it is clear that the mods took in consideration the time between them. You can post delwarn request, head mods or B&U admin will decide if they can remove them all or let the most recent one there.

Here you go: http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?topic=163538.0
Title: Re: Change ban rules
Post by: ClaraSchuman on May 20, 2017, 23:16
i lost 30min in my life for nothing to read all of this.  :'(
Title: Re: Change ban rules
Post by: _xpam_ on June 25, 2017, 14:54
so what is last decision ? can i do flame for carrristo ?  >:D
Title: Re: Change ban rules
Post by: Corristo on June 25, 2017, 15:52
Ofc you can flame, but must probably you will get reported and banned becouse of butthurt children from around here :D

But you can flame me anytime, if im failing in a game.I will admit it dont worry, max you get in return will be !ignore , becouse unlike others, I realised what this command do years ago :D

Have fun all!
Title: Re: Change ban rules
Post by: _xpam_ on June 25, 2017, 17:21
Ofc you can flame, but must probably you will get reported and banned becouse of butthurt children from around here :D

But you can flame me anytime, if im failing in a game.I will admit it dont worry, max you get in return will be !ignore , becouse unlike others, I realised what this command do years ago :D

Have fun all!
well done carristo .. carristo is a real player. i hope other users (fucking nabs useless morons ) will be like u