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Unofficial Section => Offtopic => Topic started by: Mara on May 02, 2018, 23:01

Title: AEnolifeGGwp
Post by: Mara on May 02, 2018, 23:01
AE, lagabuse  will never die theres will be always guys nolifing maps nostalgia forever <3
Title: Re: AEnolifeGGwp
Post by: -Aleksandar- on May 02, 2018, 23:13
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Title: Re: AEnolifeGGwp
Post by: begin on May 03, 2018, 00:49
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This guy deserves 8000 karma not 800 ! ! !
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Post by: -Aleksandar- on May 03, 2018, 04:13
Again + xD
Title: Re: AEnolifeGGwp
Post by: CoMMoN1337 on May 03, 2018, 05:46
You're playing a dota map where an axe call deselects your hero, and where you have infinite camera vision with camera hacks implemented right into the map itself, so it's dead.
Title: Re: AEnolifeGGwp
Post by: Mara on May 03, 2018, 07:42
You're playing a dota map where an axe call deselects your hero, and where you have infinite camera vision with camera hacks implemented right into the map itself, so it's dead.
it doenst matter is w3 frozen throne and we nolifing that.^^
Title: Re: AEnolifeGGwp
Post by: Silver on June 12, 2018, 08:48
W3 doesn't mean just DotA, honestly I am in a love-hate relationship with TDs, waiting for PG revival as well.
Title: Re: AEnolifeGGwp
Post by: Renovatio on June 12, 2018, 12:15
You're playing a dota map where an axe call deselects your hero, and where you have infinite camera vision with camera hacks implemented right into the map itself, so it's dead.

I rlly dont understand this logic and you arent the first one saying "camera hack" here. I totally agree with what you said about axe but the camera feature isnt hack. It doesnt have infinite vision, even so it doesnt remove the fog (hero's vision is a constant) and the feature is available for all players. More than this even the lowest player is constantly checking the minimap; there's no one here that limits his vision to his field of view without noticing on his minimap incoming revealed enemy.

This is the problem when you are nolifing a game, becoming hardcore player: you forget to enjoy it. You are trying to master a virtual game like your career is depending on it to the point you are bothered even by the smallest flaw.

Ever played football (european type)? I did and most of the times (especially as a kid) we were less than the required number, the ball was cheap and hard to play with, we werent following all the rules, the gates were made from string and the field wasnt smooth and always small. Still, had more fun in each game played than a profesional player had. There were no winner, there were no losers. Was a game, making friends and having fun. And if you give me "a profesional player gets paid" argument then I remind you that you arent paid either.


You do not need to be pro at something in order to have fun, people. When someone comes here to tell you different just remember he is doing it because it isnt as fun for him as it is for you; mostly because he fails to see the basic purpose of a game and he will, childishly, treat you as a person, and not as a gamer, from the game's perspective. (talking with whoever reads this)

With love,
Reno'
Title: Re: AEnolifeGGwp
Post by: bewater on June 12, 2018, 12:30
Renovatio banned 14 days 3x warns
Title: Re: AEnolifeGGwp
Post by: ClaraSchuman on June 12, 2018, 14:50
Renovatio banned 14 days 3x warns


Hahahahahahahahahahaha!! +1

Hahahaha  ;D :D :D :D
Title: Re: AEnolifeGGwp
Post by: Astaroth on June 15, 2018, 14:34
Even if the camera feature doesn't remove the fog, zooming out brings benefits. For example you don't need to constantly watch the minimap if you can see broad surroundings, or even the whole map. You have more info at the hand by having zoomed-out camera.

Title: Re: AEnolifeGGwp
Post by: begin on June 15, 2018, 14:58
Even if the camera feature doesn't remove the fog, zooming out brings benefits. For example you don't need to constantly watch the minimap if you can see broad surroundings, or even the whole map. You have more info at the hand by having zoomed-out camera.
Benefitial to all those who zoom out seems fair to me, lol
Title: Re: AEnolifeGGwp
Post by: Renovatio on June 15, 2018, 16:29
Even if the camera feature doesn't remove the fog, zooming out brings benefits. For example you don't need to constantly watch the minimap if you can see broad surroundings, or even the whole map. You have more info at the hand by having zoomed-out camera.

Ofc brings benefits but if I zoom out for that benefit you can also zoom out. "Hacking" comes when some benefit isnt available to all players (example: I have MH, you dont). Even removing the fog of war can be a simple feature and not a hack. It all depends on its availability to all players.

Ffs, guys, following this logic you can find countless examples of "hacking".
AP mode is a hack because I can counter-pick you if you go first.
Wards are hacking tools against noobs that never buy them.
Making travel boots against lower ms boots is a hack.
Keeping TP scrolls in inventory and using them to escape is a hack.
Lothar's  is a hack bcs you can go invis and I cant, if I dont make it too.
Taking aegis from roshan is a hack since you have 2 lifes while I have 1.

For me, the biggest hack, are warkeys. I like Invoker but I can play only from mouse. Is unfair if you use warkeys against me, in a 1to1 combat; or is it? Do the expected reply" Use them too, you fool!"

Can someone provide a better argument, besides "it was banned in dota 2", to convince me that the new implemented camera feature is actually a hack? Cuse imo if I give you a knife to fight a guy with a knife and you dont use yours then the other guy didnt cheat, you gave him the upper hand, he didnt forced it for himself.

 
Title: Re: AEnolifeGGwp
Post by: Mara on June 15, 2018, 16:57
see? legend's still alive!!!!
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Post by: Akuma on June 15, 2018, 18:34
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hax>?
Title: Re: AEnolifeGGwp
Post by: Astaroth on June 18, 2018, 07:21
I'm not calling it hack on purpose.

So, this camera feature is an actuall feature of DotA map or Warcraft? When I used to play here, there was no such a thing.
Title: Re: AEnolifeGGwp
Post by: Renovatio on June 18, 2018, 12:32
I'm not calling it hack on purpose.

So, this camera feature is an actuall feature of DotA map or Warcraft? When I used to play here, there was no such a thing.

When you used to play here there were also less available items and mby even heroes, depending when you quit playing. 2 years ago you were able to kill the fountain with sniper, now you cant: hack? My point is that neither DotA, nor Warcraft 3, were built from first as they are now. Warcraft 3 it gone up to ver 1.29 while DotA is 6.88. Mechanics, game settings, new heroes, etc, got implemented/modified during the years. It was done in order to improve the game by balancing it and adding more content. So, the debate here should be about "is camera feature an improvement?" and not about "is camera feature a hack?". Most of the players are using it, so should be an improvement. Its availability to all players makes it fair to use. I'm starting to think you guys dont know what is a "hack". Call the camera feature "bad", "unbalanced" and make argumentation for that, you may actually be right (with proper arguments) but calling it a "hack" you get your mouth slapped by the obvious.

I hope you guys can tell the difference between constructive criticism and insults, and dont get annoyed, as Common usually does when someone doesnt agree with him. Is a debate, not a fight.

EDIT: I may be wrong but I recall playing the original Warcraft 3 and modifying the point of view and camera distance from keyboard shortcuts. (no modding)
Title: Re: AEnolifeGGwp
Post by: UltimateTroll on June 18, 2018, 12:58
Cant say this zoom option is a hack but the fact that draco implemented it into his map is just disgusting. It was never a part of the game and it should never be a part of it.All bugs aside, zoom was one thing that was intentional but its also the biggest mistake draco made. I saw how it changed the way some people played (better ofc).More awareness while being ganked mid,thus reacting faster than usual to heroes appearing,much more flexibility in fights ,choosing their targets a lot better, knowing whether the situation is in their favor or not etc. Remove the zoom and ppl who used it every game will be lost and u could most likely see a big drop-off.
Title: Re: AEnolifeGGwp
Post by: Renovatio on June 18, 2018, 13:14
Cant say this zoom option is a hack but the fact that draco implemented it into his map is just disgusting. It was never a part of the game and it should never be a part of it.All bugs aside, zoom was one thing that was intentional but its also the biggest mistake draco made. I saw how it changed the way some people played (better ofc).More awareness while being ganked mid,thus reacting faster than usual to heroes appearing,much more flexibility in fights ,choosing their targets a lot better, knowing whether the situation is in their favor or not etc. Remove the zoom and ppl who used it every game will be lost and u could most likely see a big drop-off.

I see I can find a common ground with you. What you said is true (talking about benefits) but do you think this feature gives those benefits to some players but not to all? I say it doesnt because there are still people that dont use it, getting a handicap against those who do. But what stops them not to use it?
Title: Re: AEnolifeGGwp
Post by: UltimateTroll on June 18, 2018, 15:04
Cant say this zoom option is a hack but the fact that draco implemented it into his map is just disgusting. It was never a part of the game and it should never be a part of it.All bugs aside, zoom was one thing that was intentional but its also the biggest mistake draco made. I saw how it changed the way some people played (better ofc).More awareness while being ganked mid,thus reacting faster than usual to heroes appearing,much more flexibility in fights ,choosing their targets a lot better, knowing whether the situation is in their favor or not etc. Remove the zoom and ppl who used it every game will be lost and u could most likely see a big drop-off.

I see I can find a common ground with you. What you said is true (talking about benefits) but do you think this feature gives those benefits to some players but not to all? I say it doesnt because there are still people that dont use it, getting a handicap against those who do. But what stops them not to use it?
Exactly why i said it wasnt a hack, but it just shouldnt be available to anyone, millions of people play dota 2 for 7-8 years now and zoom was never a thing. I mean i see ur point, the thing is,its only here because draco implemented it for some reason
Title: Re: AEnolifeGGwp
Post by: Renovatio on June 18, 2018, 15:16
I think he was trying something different; a reinvention of classical dota (he made a lot of big changes). I know a lot of guys are angry on him but lets give the man some credit: he is trying and DotA 1 was abandoned by icefrog. Didnt played the new version yet, dunno what is about, I hope he doesnt go in DotA 2 direction with makeovers and stuff. Different might be good.
Title: Re: AEnolifeGGwp
Post by: Astaroth on June 19, 2018, 07:30
I'm not calling it hack on purpose.

So, this camera feature is an actuall feature of DotA map or Warcraft? When I used to play here, there was no such a thing.

When you used to play here there were also less available items and mby even heroes, depending when you quit playing. 2 years ago you were able to kill the fountain with sniper, now you cant: hack? My point is that neither DotA, nor Warcraft 3, were built from first as they are now. Warcraft 3 it gone up to ver 1.29 while DotA is 6.88. Mechanics, game settings, new heroes, etc, got implemented/modified during the years. It was done in order to improve the game by balancing it and adding more content. So, the debate here should be about "is camera feature an improvement?" and not about "is camera feature a hack?". Most of the players are using it, so should be an improvement. Its availability to all players makes it fair to use. I'm starting to think you guys dont know what is a "hack". Call the camera feature "bad", "unbalanced" and make argumentation for that, you may actually be right (with proper arguments) but calling it a "hack" you get your mouth slapped by the obvious.

I hope you guys can tell the difference between constructive criticism and insults, and dont get annoyed, as Common usually does when someone doesnt agree with him. Is a debate, not a fight.

EDIT: I may be wrong but I recall playing the original Warcraft 3 and modifying the point of view and camera distance from keyboard shortcuts. (no modding)
I jumped in the middle of a discussion without proper info, my bad.
I didn't know how available it is (its just a DotA command, right?).

But again, I'm not calling it a hack.

What started the discussion was: "...you have infinite camera vision with camera hacks implemented right into the map itself..."
This seems to be right and fits your arguments. You could implement map hack right into the DotA map and call it a feature and we could close a part of the forum and dump part of the staff.

Also, Warcraft 3 has commands to add gold, lumber, make your units invincible etc. Even tho these are available for all players, they are still cheats.

My point is the camera feature used to be a hack.
This reminds me of an idea they supposedly had somewhere in South America (Columbia perhaps?): The criminality is way too high and making and selling drugs is at the top. Let's make drugs legal, thus criminality will drop significantly!

The very core of the idea may somewhat (and to someone) sound good but it makes no sense as a whole (and ofc it doesn't solve the problem).

And that's what this discussion should be about: Is implementing hacks right into map and handing them to all players a good idea?

In my opinion it is not.