About DotA 6.88

[Akuma]

About monitors, i repeat 99999th time - i AGREE about it, but i just need proofs - screenshots
Maybe there is another, better solution

Maybe we will calculate cam distance personally for every resolution and call it feature, lul

Well, this is a valid option imho, but I think most of the people use Maximum w3 resolution already (I do on a 17" monitor, so I guess anyone who has bigger screen simply has to use the maximum resolution)

Maybe I misunderstood you. We can talk on discord later, I can send you screenshots of my screen or whatever, busy now.

[guest49825]

Well, then people with weak PCs who have 10 fps should not play dota too? Or should we also force everyone to play on 10 fps so its fair?

People with weak PC's won`t be able to play finely the current 6.88 map anyway, the fps drops are real (at least, in the current version with GUI; they might fix it soon)

Didnt read rest parts of message, will read later

edit: its fucking their OWN problem, we can`t come to them and buy them fucking new PC/mouse/mic/etc.
Eurobattle is already pleasing these poor people and provides the way of playing this game for free (although i do not accept it anyway, but whatever, gift is gift)
And yes, as an experienced player i`ll say again - "they should not play games with their slow ass PCs just to ruin everyone else's game".
If they want to play some dota - there are fine AI maps. There is Garena games without ladder (that became trash already, so no one will be surprised of such player)


Every your argument is weird
I`m sure when i`ll come home and read rest of your message, i`ll find NO arguments which were NOT taken from unrelated subjects
If you guys can`t agrue, - do fucking not
Tweeko, kja12 - same fucking level
Providing some random arguments wannabe and thinking like these arguments are suiting the subject. NO. Fucking NO.

I know only Astaroth (Dota 2 vs Dota 1), Akuma (ban/unban cases and real-life-subjects; sport; dota gameplay), Cen (eurobattle inner features), Renovatio (GFX area; staff activity) here (random order, don`t mind) - the ones which are arguing finely. In '()' i provided our past subjects

[Akuma]

btw, in response to this

However, the fact that many people are used to camhack should also be considered.

I checked 3 random games played today, just for the sake of getting some basic stats

1st game - 5 people used -cam xxxx http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=6131834
2nd game - 2 people used -cam xxxx http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=6131839
3rd game - 3 people used -cam xxxx http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=6131838

I picked these games completely random from first page on games tab, didn't even check players, could even be same players in some of the games.

There could be people who use it from circle though, we can't find that info, but the fact is (at least based on this minor random case) that more people don't use it than use it. The real question, which deer already asked is, if those who don't use it "care" or "don't care" about others using it.

[luke]

The real question, which deer already asked is, if those who don't use it "care" or "don't care" about others using it.

I agree. Want to add that i saw many people reporting or arguing about maphack, but i have seen none complaining about hotkeys or camera distance

[guest49825]

updated my last post

[begin]

The real question, which deer already asked is, if those who don't use it "care" or "don't care" about others using it.

I agree. Want to add that i saw many people reporting or arguing about maphack, but i have seen none complaining about hotkeys or camera distance

Noone will argue about warkeys or camera distance because it is available for all and makes the game playable and less noob-like.

Without these i would only see my hero and play just aura based heroes.

[guest49825]

makes the game playable and less noob-like.
Repeating same non-explained thing over and over does not work.
Go ahead and explain it, asking 2nd time, lul

[guest49825]

@CoMMoN13337
just for lulz (last sentence about monitors, please)

i`m going home, will read things after few hours

[begin]

makes the game playable and less noob-like.
Repeating same non-explained thing over and over does not work.
Go ahead and explain it, asking 2nd time, lul

When your screen shows more than just your hero you are able to react and cast spells and target units therefore it is more playable.

When players are able to do this properly, the level of game improves from a noob-like game without need to scroll your mouse permanently to check your surroundings.

[Happy..]

And yes, I'm sure that those who have huge monitors can afford 1 more smaller monitor so then won't be problems.

Seriously? That would be your big solution? :D:D:D

Instead of leaving the cam mode so everyone can adjust it accordingly to their monitors, you would have solved this by forcing someone to buy a new "smaller" monitor so they can play a 15 years old game just because you are "sure" they can afford it?

I swear to fucking god these people...

[luke]

And yes, I'm sure that those who have huge monitors can afford 1 more smaller monitor so then won't be problems.

Seriously? That would be your big solution? :D:D:D

Instead of leaving the cam mode so everyone can adjust it accordingly to their monitors, you would have solved this by forcing someone to buy a new "smaller" monitor so they can play a 15 years old game just because you are "sure" they can afford it?

I swear to fucking god these people...

It was a joke, lol

Anyway, i see the following arguments mentioned for having it:

+ people with big monitors can adjust the distance and play more comfortable (and this is 2018, a lot of people have big monitors)
+ a lot of people used to it, according to akuma's observation about 30% at least
+ since everyone can use it, its not as game breaking as, for example, maphack
+ bigger field of view means easier navigation

- will give an unfair advantage, especially to people will smaller monitors
- was bannable in past
- its a hack?

Solutions offered:

* use windowed mode
* implement fixed -cam distance for every resolution
* implement widescreen support for 1.26
* lower the max cam range
* buy new monitor, wtf?

Is everything here or something missing?

[Jimmy]

Is there gonna be -cam mode or not?

[luke]

Is there gonna be -cam mode or not?

Thats currently being discussed

[Jimmy]

Is it a thing that can be discussed or is it decided by the Administrators?

[Jimmy]

Im sorry cause im not in the flow of the current convo, i just saw pool etc.
If its possible, i voted [and here commenting] , please enable it, since 90%+ monitors produced from 2016 + are 22 Inch and more. With that said , it would benefit the truthfull Dota gamers to have the -cam option.
Personally , its frustrating to play DoTA on 26 inch monitor that on the wall 2 feet away. While having 800 cam distance..