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Question about insulting rule and post editing
« on: February 13, 2020, 15:12 »
I got 2 questions but i put them in 1 to not spam topics for little things. They are connected to 1 case.

1) Insulting Staff Members

Post 1 in question: http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?topic=189602.msg695267#msg695267

I agree that insulting Staff Members should be punishable, since they do everything they can for the well-being of the community, i think this is 100% right. However, in this post we see insulting as well.

Post 2 in question: http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?topic=189458.msg694377#msg694377

Here we see no sanction for same level of insulting.

Of course i understand that 2nd case is a friendly joke, however it can't be implied directly from the post, so for anyone who doesn't know that they are friends it might seem that the guy insulted an Administrator and no sanctions were applied which can seem really weird.

Question: maybe such situations can be avoided because they might create an impression that the Rules are not same for all?

2) Editing posts

Post in question: http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?topic=189606.msg695270#msg695270

I noticed that the post has been edited. Of course, i'm not questioning Admin's sanctions for such posts but as someone who isn't familiar with the situation it seems odd to not be able to see the whole story. This isn't the only case, i saw it happening before too, even years ago.

In general, if a post contains some insults, it would be good to see what exactly was bad to avoid it in the future and make the applied sanction look justified for others.
« Last Edit: February 13, 2020, 15:15 by luke »

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Re: Question about insulting rule and post editing
« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2020, 15:57 »
i remember the good old days when Resor never used to ban someone for one sentence flames. even mods are instructed to use !ignore command in case someone is harrasing them

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Re: Question about insulting rule and post editing
« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2020, 16:23 »
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1) Insulting Staff Members

Post 1 in question: http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?topic=189602.msg695267#msg695267

I agree that insulting Staff Members should be punishable, since they do everything they can for the well-being of the community, i think this is 100% right. However, in this post we see insulting as well.

Post 2 in question: http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?topic=189458.msg694377#msg694377

Here we see no sanction for same level of insulting.

Of course i understand that 2nd case is a friendly joke, however it can't be implied directly from the post, so for anyone who doesn't know that they are friends it might seem that the guy insulted an Administrator and no sanctions were applied which can seem really weird.

Question: maybe such situations can be avoided because they might create an impression that the Rules are not same for all?

He would have receive the punishment regardless if he was directing it towards a staff member or a forum member, he didn't get the punishment just because he insulted a staff member, if that's what you are trying to say in the first part of your post.
There's a difference between insulting someone and being sarcastic with someone, it's common sense to tell the difference, there hasn't been a single case to my knowledge where someone got banned for joking with someone, at least not in the current administration.

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2) Editing posts

Post in question: http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?topic=189606.msg695270#msg695270

I noticed that the post has been edited. Of course, i'm not questioning Admin's sanctions for such posts but as someone who isn't familiar with the situation it seems odd to not be able to see the whole story. This isn't the only case, i saw it happening before too, even years ago.

In general, if a post contains some insults, it would be good to see what exactly was bad to avoid it in the future and make the applied sanction look justified for others.

This happens in cases where someone adds unnecessary and unvalid addition to the case which he presents that has nothing to do with it.
It can happen in cases like this "jeandarc was being abusive to me in my last game by muting me for no reason, oh and btw the rest of the admins suck too", so we'll remove the last part because the other admins have nothing to do with jeandarc's abuse and it adds nothing to the case.

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i remember the good old days when Resor never used to ban someone for one sentence flames. even mods are instructed to use !ignore command in case someone is harrasing them

In the so called "good old days" Resor would have warned you for spamming and posting offtopic like you just did, at the very least. But since we are good guys, we let people like you run your mouth when you are talking out of your ass.
« Last Edit: February 13, 2020, 16:31 by jeandarc »

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Re: Question about insulting rule and post editing
« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2020, 16:32 »
In first case Player insulted Administrator and Server , and in Jeandarc dialogue with Nikola it was not the case[otherwise Jeandarc would have sanctioned him, they are obviously in friendly terms]

In second case , Post was Restored , not Edited.

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Re: Question about insulting rule and post editing
« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2020, 16:43 »
Thank you for clarification, i was just confused with these 2 cases.

For post editing, maybe the unrelated part could be put in spoiler? But generally i think if user posted  something then it should be left untouched and if its not related or insultive, then its up for the Administration to sanction him if necessary.

i think topic  can be closed, thank you for your time

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Re: Question about insulting rule and post editing
« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2020, 01:53 »
I know u can make difference between on and off topic posts but seems like u are forced to defend staff when is attacked and i understand it. I dont rly know what happened between this guys i just wanted to point out that bans againts players who flame mods or even admins in one sentence shouldt be taken that seriously. U can !ignore the player or just advice him to keep calm and watch his manner thats all.