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Strategy Discussion Section => DotA Mythbusters => Special Episodes => Topic started by: filibis on November 04, 2011, 22:48
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We are going to make a special one for 10th episode like we did in episode 5.
We'll focus two items: Ghost Scepter and Force Staff !
Submit your myths just focusing the two items in this topic.
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when you use forcestaff + ghostscepter you ll be forced +10 range more (i heard that)
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Ghost Scepter removes a lot of skills who deal DPS:
-AA's ulty;
-Venomancer's ulty;
-Viper's ulty... and so on.
Try them all out. xD
when you use forcestaff + ghostscepter you ll be forced +10 range more (i heard that)
Lol that "range" is practically useless.
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this arent myths that are all true facts xD w/E
you cant push you with forcestaff at "mountains" xd
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Use Morhpling's 1st magic ( Waveform + forcestaff ) When u cast waveform and till u going to place that u click and forcestaff click on hero your waveform will be double i mean longer :)
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hhmmm , mirana leap +force+ghost ?? :)
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When Viper use ghost form, he still can attack with Poison Attack :)
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i want to know if force staff can stop huskars ulty (if u use it fast after he charges with ulty) or he will continue?
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When PitLord use second spell Pit of Malice and yurnero is on fury he can catch him
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When PitLord use second spell Pit of Malice and yurnero is on fury he can catch him
We are going to make a special one for 10th episode like we did in episode 5.
We'll focus two items: Ghost Scepter and Force Staff !
Submit your myths just focusing the two items in this topic.
Post it here --> http://playdota.eu/forum/index.php/topic,75440.165.html (http://playdota.eu/forum/index.php/topic,75440.165.html)
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hmm, i missed the banish + lifebreak 94% combo in the pugna episode, mb u can put it in either the tenth, as this should work with ghostscepter too, or just put it in regular episode
(the thing is that with pugnas banish on target, huskar's utli does damage equal to ~94% of the targets hp or so.. i've seen that in some yt vid quite a while ago)
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i remember i saw some video where i saw pudge did hook + force staff in same time ..hook range was so long
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is it true that when you are using ghost scepter and paladin heals you that you get more helth,then normal aslo does it works for chen and his ulty?
and second one when you use ghost scepter and void cathes you with ult do you stay the hole time in ghost form because time freezes ?
can you active ghost scepter and avatar and become immortal ??? for a short period
which spells can you activate while under the effect of ghost scepter ( can you use lotahar under the effect of ghost scepter without breaking it ,or use teleport under ghostscepter etc etc ..)
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and second one when you use ghost scepter and void cathes you with ult do you stay the hole time in ghost form because time freezes ?
i think it will expire in voids ulty and u can get attacked .. :D
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When PitLord use second spell Pit of Malice and yurnero is on fury he can catch him
We are going to make a special one for 10th episode like we did in episode 5.
We'll focus two items: Ghost Scepter and Force Staff !
Submit your myths just focusing the two items in this topic.
Post it here --> http://playdota.eu/forum/index.php/topic,75440.165.html (http://playdota.eu/forum/index.php/topic,75440.165.html)
ye i miss topic sry
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and second one when you use ghost scepter and void cathes you with ult do you stay the hole time in ghost form because time freezes ?
i think it will expire in voids ulty and u can get attacked .. :D
I don't think so. Once I used Eul's on myself right before Void used his ulty and I remained in air after Chrono was gone.
One for mythbusters: Void's ulty pauses all units and spells (if Pudge is under effect of Chrono with Rot on, it will not deal any dmg, right?). So my question is: If CM casts her ulty and is caught in Chrono will it be paused even if CM is under effect of Ghost Scepter? And will her ulty continue if some1 else Force Staff her out of Chrono?
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Also im not so sure about this one but i remember it. If u are under ghost form and pudge hooks you u wont receive any damage cause hook deals normal damage(u will still be hooked). This work with other abilitys which deal normal damage. But not with abilitys that deal mix damage.
Also a hero can be affected by multiple forcestaffs and all will push the target the distance stated in the item.
Also if IO is forcestaffed he will be pushed to somewhere random, depends where the wisp is seeing (not real random but kind of).
And as someone said viper can use his orb while ghost form. This is true for every hero with natural orb ability. Silencer, Bone, Traxex, etc. But u need to target the ability auto attacks wont work.
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If you use ghost scepter yourneros ulti and fury will still do dmg to you...(but before you could evade it with ghost)
And I have to go but i am posting it here(If techies does suicide and has bloodstone he will heal his allies)
sry for this but i am in a hurry...gl bb
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Morphilng + wawe + force = double wawe (dmgin all units on the line of the wawe?)..... try it xD
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Morphilng + wawe + force = double wawe ..... try it xD
that was in older versions its fixed now
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Morphilng + wawe + force = double wawe ..... try it xD
that was in older versions its fixed now
hmm i didnt check ok sry then....
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If Sand King is using sand strom and his allies force staff him it will not stop his channeling...also with CM and other channeling spells(but if they try to use it it will stop their channeling)
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I got one for you:
Ghostscepter stacks with Decripefy.
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The usage of ForceStaff right after Pudge's Hook will increase the range of hook by how much would normally push you the ForceStaff and thats it 600 range away.
While charged by Barathrum, you can cancel it by activating Ghost Scepter.
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I got one for you:
Ghostscepter stacks with Decripefy.
i wonder what will happen if huskar ulti on this case :)
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I got one for you:
Ghostscepter stacks with Decripefy.
i wonder what will happen if huskar ulti on this case :)
isnt huskars ulty physical dmg? :O
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isnt huskars ulty physical dmg? :O
• Damage type: magical (to both Huskar and the target)
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You can force staff yourself(by double clicking on force staff) if you have repel on you...but you are not targetable!So no1 else can force staff you...
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when you use forcestaff + ghostscepter you ll be forced +10 range more (i heard that)
We can try.
Ghost Scepter removes a lot of skills who deal DPS:
-AA's ulty;
-Venomancer's ulty;
-Viper's ulty... and so on.
Triable. I also remember your and Bart's myth from Submit Your Myth section. I'll consider who submitted them before this section, np.
you cant push you with forcestaff at "mountains"
We may try.
Use Morhpling's 1st magic ( Waveform + forcestaff ) When u cast waveform and till u going to place that u click and forcestaff click on hero your waveform will be double i mean longer :)
Triable.
hhmmm , mirana leap +force+ghost ?? :)
You meant same thing as the first guy ?
When Viper use ghost form, he still can attack with Poison Attack :)
Triable.
i want to know if force staff can stop huskars ulty (if u use it fast after he charges with ulty) or he will continue?
We can try.
hmm, i missed the banish + lifebreak 94% combo in the pugna episode, mb u can put it in either the tenth, as this should work with ghostscepter too, or just put it in regular episode
(the thing is that with pugnas banish on target, huskar's utli does damage equal to ~94% of the targets hp or so.. i've seen that in some yt vid quite a while ago)
I remember that we've tested your this myth multiple times but result was nothing special. It was like as it should be. There may be an another sudden given damage to the decripified unit which will be realized hardly in the video that you've watched.
i remember i saw some video where i saw pudge did hook + force staff in same time ..hook range was so long
I remember that someone submitted it before this topic exist. Priority rules ^^
1-is it true that when you are using ghost scepter and paladin heals you that you get more helth,then normal aslo does it works for chen and his ulty?
2-and second one when you use ghost scepter and void cathes you with ult do you stay the hole time in ghost form because time freezes ?
3-can you active ghost scepter and avatar and become immortal ??? for a short period
4-which spells can you activate while under the effect of ghost scepter ( can you use lotahar under the effect of ghost scepter without breaking it ,or use teleport under ghostscepter etc etc ..)
1- We can try.
2- Triable.
3- Triable.
4- I'll consider your examples to test, we can try.
One for mythbusters: Void's ulty pauses all units and spells (if Pudge is under effect of Chrono with Rot on, it will not deal any dmg, right?). So my question is: If CM casts her ulty and is caught in Chrono will it be paused even if CM is under effect of Ghost Scepter? And will her ulty continue if some1 else Force Staff her out of Chrono?
We can try.
1- If u are under ghost form and pudge hooks you u wont receive any damage cause hook deals normal damage(u will still be hooked). This work with other abilitys which deal normal damage. But not with abilitys that deal mix damage.
2- Also a hero can be affected by multiple forcestaffs and all will push the target the distance stated in the item.
3- Also if IO is forcestaffed he will be pushed to somewhere random, depends where the wisp is seeing (not real random but kind of).
1- We can try.
2- We may try.
3- We can try.
Morphilng + wawe + force = double wawe (dmgin all units on the line of the wawe?)
Already submitted in this topic.
If Sand King is using sand strom and his allies force staff him it will not stop his channeling...also with CM and other channeling spells(but if they try to use it it will stop their channeling)
We did some kind of stuff in the Episode 1 (http://playdota.eu/forum/index.php/topic,75673.0.html). But we may try.
Ghostscepter stacks with Decripefy.
We can try.
1- The usage of ForceStaff right after Pudge's Hook will increase the range of hook by how much would normally push you the ForceStaff and thats it 600 range away.
2- While charged by Barathrum, you can cancel it by activating Ghost Scepter.
1- Already submitted.
2- Triable.
You can force staff yourself(by double clicking on force staff) if you have repel on you...but you are not targetable!So no1 else can force staff you...
Triable, cool one.
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Can Tiny toss unit under effect of ghostscepter? If yes, will the unit deal/take more dmg?
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Can Tiny toss unit under effect of ghostscepter? If yes, will the unit deal/take more dmg?
yes thats why i love to make external blade with tiny :) i remember someone did external blade then used toss + avalanche .. it deals so imba damage even on high tanks
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Rofl, its Ethereal blade, not external ;D
Sure if you use ghost scepter or ethereal blade to enemy and avalanche&toss him he will get imba dmg.
My question was: You have toss lvl 4 (deals 300 damage). So if you use ghost scepter on your creep and then toss it onto enemy creep, will your creep deal more than 300 dmg?
If you answered this question, sorry for asking again, but I'm not sure now ;)
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Rofl, its Ethereal blade, not external ;D
Sure if you use ghost scepter or ethereal blade to enemy and avalanche&toss him he will get imba dmg.
My question was: You have toss lvl 4 (deals 300 damage). So if you use ghost scepter on your creep and then toss it onto enemy creep, will your creep deal more than 300 dmg?
If you answered this question, sorry for asking again, but I'm not sure now ;)
yes he can toss a unit under ghostscepter affect .. i didnt understand you at first
and about dealing more damage idk i guess the unit will take more damage but will deal the same
and yes i call it external blade because i love to call it like that :P
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good myth imo
what will happen if someone has 1 hp and uses blade mail + axe comes and uses ulty --> dead ?
No axe won't be dead, that's obvious. Also this myth was already posted before, i will start removing re-posted myths.
*I removed your myth, its not in the right section and it was already posted. Next time i will remove without saying anything.
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If 2/3 etc ppl use forcestaff in the same time when pudge uses hook, the hook will get longer 2/3 etc times...gl :)
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sandking while using sandstorm can be force staff by ally without interupting the channeling.. thus remain the sandstorm casting while sandking is out of harm.... :D
AND yurnero while using blade fury can be force staff by himself... xD
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sandking while using sandstorm can be force staff by ally without interupting the channeling.. thus remain the sandstorm casting while sandking is out of harm.... :D
AND yurnero while using blade fury can be force staff by himself... xD
wodota :)
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sandking while using sandstorm can be force staff by ally without interupting the channeling.. thus remain the sandstorm casting while sandking is out of harm.... :D
AND yurnero while using blade fury can be force staff by himself... xD
wodota :)
Y, it was nice.
Every hero can be force-staffed (by some1 else) when channeling without interrupting the spell. But I wonder if you force-staff for example Ezalor while channeling will the orb start on Ezalor's new location?
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does pugna's decripify and ghost form stack??
also plzzz check combinations with etheral blade
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sandking while using sandstorm can be force staff by ally without interupting the channeling.. thus remain the sandstorm casting while sandking is out of harm.... :D
AND yurnero while using blade fury can be force staff by himself... xD
wodota :)
Ye but I posted the one with sand king before wodota came out...and also if pudge(Ally) hooks sand king while channeling sand storm he will not stop it...
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does pugna's decripify and ghost form stack??
also plzzz check combinations with etheral blade
Read the topic first from top till end -.-
I got one for you:
Ghostscepter stacks with Decripefy.
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A very good counter to Techies is the Ghost Scepter. Why?
You can practicaly walk through Techies' Land Mines w/o taking any damage (imagine with Blade Mail combo :D).
Also he cannot kill you with suicide if you are in Ghost Scepter form.
Leshrac's Diabolic Edict / Earthshaker's Echo Slam will deal no damage in Ghost Scepter.
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Here are a few myths that came on my mind:
You can teleport during the ghost form;
Enemies can force you during the ghost form;
You will be forced more units away during the ghost form;
Try.
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A very good counter to Techies is the Ghost Scepter. Why?
You can practicaly walk through Techies' Land Mines w/o taking any damage (imagine with Blade Mail combo :D).
Also he cannot kill you with suicide if you are in Ghost Scepter form.
I think you'll loose some hp coz Land Mines and Sucide does mixed dmg (magical + physical, which is reducible by armor)
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Force staff will increase Pudge's hook distance.Try! :D
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Force staff will increase Pudge's hook distance.Try! :D
If that's still not well known I'm a monkey's uncle :P
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Episode 10 is out!
Thanks for the interest everyone.
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